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Postby Dartzap » 2012-01-02 06:18am

Anyone catch thislast night?

A Scandal in Belgravia was an excellent intro to the new series, loved all the nods towards the 'minor' cases of the Holmes lore (The Geek Interpreter had me laughing, anyway). At 90 mins it didnt feel overlong, and there was plenty that could have been missed in there if you were not paying attention. Really enjoy this version of Irene Adler, really made Holmes into her whipping boy.

The Hounds of Baskerville next week is the one I'm looking forward to the most.
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Re: Sherlock Returns (BBC) (spoilers probable)

Postby Crazedwraith » 2012-01-02 06:46am

I caught it. Was bored through out.

I don't why I just didn't find i engaged. Perhaps because the fact instead of an actual mystery and case. We're treated to the long drawn out hashing out of the relationship between Holmes and Addler and why do I even give a shit? The programme seems to take it for granted I'll find Addler awesome and amusing and sympathetic but I don't and I don't much care whether the dominatrix lady lives or dies or has her phone or not.

Plus last season the 'everyone thinks Holmes and Watson are gay' stuff was vaguely amusing and a least slightly subtle. This episode? Just stupid.
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Re: Sherlock Returns (BBC) (spoilers probable)

Postby Siege » 2012-01-02 10:20am

I liked it a lot, especially how the entirety of Britain seems to be covertly run by four or five people who can't help but constantly text each other :). And frankly I don't see why you'd think the show "seems to take it for granted I'll find Addler awesome": if the character doesn't appeal to you personally that's fair enough, but they went to great lengths to show why Holmes is fascinated by her, extensively contrasting her with the other women in his life to do so.
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Re: Sherlock Returns (BBC) (spoilers probable)

Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2012-01-02 01:12pm

Saw it and thought it excellent, certainly to the same standard as last series. I particularly liked that all those "cases" at the start that he dismisses are all relevant in their way.

Hounds of the Baskervilles should be very interesting.
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Re: Sherlock Returns (BBC) (spoilers probable)

Postby Captain Seafort » 2012-01-02 01:18pm

Eternal_Freedom wrote:Saw it and thought it excellent, certainly to the same standard as last series.


Depends on which part of the last series. Overall I'd call it third best - not as good as A Study in Pink or The Great Game (although certainly in their league), but better than The Blind Banker (which didn't seem to have quite the same zip to it). Hopefully, given the subject matter, there won't be that dip in the middle this time round (and Moffat and Gatiss may have chosen the most famous Holmes story of the lot as the middle episode specifically to prevent that).
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Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2012-01-02 01:30pm

I was going with "same as the average of last series." The Blind Banker definitely didn't have the same zip though.
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Re: Sherlock Returns (BBC) (spoilers probable)

Postby Zed » 2012-01-02 03:47pm

Crazedwraith wrote:I don't why I just didn't find i engaged. Perhaps because the fact instead of an actual mystery and case.


Adler is the mystery.


Personally, I found this the best episode so far - A Study in Pink might be pretty close, but none of the others come near the intensity of this one.

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Postby El Moose Monstero » 2012-01-02 05:30pm

I enjoyed it pretty much all the way through - I thought a couple of times that they were playing it a bit too much for laughs, but there were a shitload of good character scenes in there, most involving Mycroft - I'm very much enjoying Mycroft. I think I actually found Mycroft and Holmes more interesting than Holmes and Watson this time around. I did roll my eyes at the 'oh, all those cases at the start were totally related' scene, as I thought that was entirely ridiculous and a distinctly Moffat-in-doctor-who mode event. However, I was very pleased that he didn't DoctorWho his way out of the cliffhanger - I was expecting him to give a 30 second 'oh, I don't want to waste time on telling that story' flashback.
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Re: Sherlock Returns (BBC) (spoilers probable)

Postby Alkaloid » 2012-01-04 06:16am

I liked it more than the last season, actually. Mycroft seems a bit, not Mycroft at the moment though, Moriarty looks to be running rings around him, although he did imply that he is actually going to focus some attention on him now, so things may change. Quick question though. The woman who Adler had pick up Watson and take him to the meeting, was that Mycrofts lacky from the last series? Because Watson seemed to recognise her and he jumped straight to the Mycroft conclusion but I can't see a reason for her to be working for Adler.

Also, this is a link to Watsons hilariously terrible blog if you didn't already know about it. Read Sherlock be snarky, meet Harry, have a stab at who Anonumous is, read all the stories that were skipped!

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Postby SCRawl » 2012-01-04 11:48pm

I'm really liking this reinterpretation of the character. I delayed in watching it, for the simple reason that I had forgotten the height of last season's cliffhanger. Others have already pointed out some of the fun moments, but Crazedwraith, to quote my favourite line from "To Live and Die in L.A.": your taste is in your ass.
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Postby Crazedwraith » 2012-01-08 05:18pm

Now this week was a lot better. An actual mystery that I wanted to find the resolution to.

Though there was one bit that slightly annoyed me. When talking with Henry Sherlock decides to send John on his own. Then instantly changes his mind and they both go. I know that was a reference to the original story but it really felt forced to me.
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Postby Siege » 2012-01-09 01:28am

Sherlock said he'd stay in London so that Watson would show him where he'd hidden the cigarettes.
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Postby SCRawl » 2012-01-09 11:26am

I've seen the second episode now, and was a little disappointed with the ending. Perhaps it's just a case of being overly familiar with the original stories, but from the moment I saw the
[spoiler=]minefield[/spoiler]
I knew that
[spoiler=]that was where the guilty party would go to die.[/spoiler]

Going back to the first episode of this season, perhaps I missed something but I'm not 100% clear about. In the very beginning of the episode, when
[spoiler=]Moriarty, Holmes and Watson were having their Mexican standoff by the pool, and Moriarty took the phone call with the rather extreme set of reactions to it,[/spoiler]
was it supposed to have been
[spoiler=]Adler on the phone, suggesting that she had information that would require Sherlock's help in decoding, and that Moriarty ought not kill him right away? I feel that I'm on solid ground in understanding that the whole "Bond Air" plot was Moriarty's handiwork, and that the reason the spooks were going to blow up the plane was to make Moriarty and his confederates believe that they had succeeded, while leaving open whatever avenue for detection allowed the government spies to find out about the plot in the first place. If this is true, then how would Adler have known the significance of the information that she had? Or was it just confirmation of its true significance?[/spoiler]

With this not being my thread I don't want to muck it up with excessive spoilers. If my tags are excessive, I'll be glad to remove them.
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Re: Sherlock Returns (BBC) (spoilers probable)

Postby Zed » 2012-01-09 04:56pm

I liked this episode less, but then I wasn't a fan of the original story it was based on either. It was still a good episode, but not "best of the year" level.

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Postby Big Orange » 2012-01-09 07:30pm

I prefered this week's episode to last week's one:

[spoiler=]I loved how the so-called "hound" was really the effects of a upgraded, weaponised batch of LSD, with the undomesticated dog and weird animal experiments at the Baskerville facility being a red herring.[/spoiler]

Gatiss' scripting on Sherlock is more sure footed and entertaining than his mostly "meh" output on Doctor Who.
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Postby Zed » 2012-01-15 05:48pm

I'm speechless at this episode. Moriarty was done brilliantly - true to the character, and yet innovative at the same time.

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Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2012-01-15 07:54pm

Well shit. That's all I can think of right now.

At the very end, I kept thinking "He's not dead, there's no way they'd kill of this series." But right at the end in the graveyard, I thought just maybe they had. And then you get that final moment, and it's a case of "WTF?"
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Postby evilsoup » 2012-01-15 08:28pm

God, what a pile of shit this latest episode turned out to be. Moriarty was just as annoying and shit as he was the last time round, and had no motivation beyond 'is a dickhead'. The whole thing was a disjointed mess, even more so than the Adler episode. The Diogenes club was the only interesting thing in the entire episode, apart from that it was a massive pile of failure. The worst thing is that it had the potential to be actually good, which they totally squandered.
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Postby Coop D'etat » 2012-01-15 09:13pm

Eternal_Freedom wrote:Well shit. That's all I can think of right now.

At the very end, I kept thinking "He's not dead, there's no way they'd kill of this series." But right at the end in the graveyard, I thought just maybe they had. And then you get that final moment, and it's a case of "WTF?"

[spoiler=]You didn't figure out that he was using John to establish himself as being on the ledge and then switched bodies with Moriarty? I thought it was pretty obvious as they were doing it. That was the whole point of getting the Molly the ME in on the plan ahead of time.[/spoiler]
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Postby Big Orange » 2012-01-15 09:18pm

[spoiler=]I liked how Sherlock pompously belittling the Met's detectives and forensic people on a daily basis bit him on the ass.[/spoiler] I didn't really think much of this show's whiney, annoying Moriarty (John Simm's Master was also nuts, but it masked grim bitterness) however he likely made his money as one of the most dangerous and powerful criminals on the planet, playing Sherlock as a "fun" challange out of sheer boredom ([spoiler=]stupidly shooting himself in the process[/spoiler]). I was impressed by Mark Gatiss' Mycroft Holmes, he was more disconcerting than he was last season (and also in comparison to Stephen Fry's more comical Mycroft).
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Postby Crazedwraith » 2012-01-16 08:30am

Coop D'etat wrote:
Eternal_Freedom wrote:Well shit. That's all I can think of right now.

At the very end, I kept thinking "He's not dead, there's no way they'd kill of this series." But right at the end in the graveyard, I thought just maybe they had. And then you get that final moment, and it's a case of "WTF?"

[spoiler=]You didn't figure out that he was using John to establish himself as being on the ledge and then switched bodies with Moriarty? I thought it was pretty obvious as they were doing it. That was the whole point of getting the Molly the ME in on the plan ahead of time.[/spoiler]


Well I thought that but didn't we actually see the face of the corpse that went splat and that it was clearly holmes?

Fuck the spoiler tags. We have warnings. Anyway while I'm glad Moriaty's key code was bullshit, how did he delete himself/create the actor idendity without it?
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Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2012-01-16 09:10am

It would not surprise me at all if Moriarty had several identities he could use for his criminal activities.

As for deleting himself, he used accomplices and bribery to do all the break-ins, I would think he used a similar method for removing himself.
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Crazedwraith wrote:
Well I thought that but didn't we actually see the face of the corpse that went splat and that it was clearly holmes?


It looked as though Watson had just received a concussion, though, so he might have just been seeing what he expected to see at that moment. I also wouldn't put it past Holmes to have arranged for the man on the bicycle to knock Watson down at that moment, though having that precise effect would be a bit of a leap (pun intended).
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Postby Big Orange » 2012-01-16 04:06pm

SCRawl wrote: I also wouldn't put it past Holmes to have arranged for the man on the bicycle to knock Watson down at that moment, though having that precise effect would be a bit of a leap (pun intended).


Or Sherlock could be the cylcist.

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Postby Coop D'etat » 2012-01-16 04:22pm

Crazedwraith wrote:
Coop D'etat wrote:
Eternal_Freedom wrote:Well shit. That's all I can think of right now.

At the very end, I kept thinking "He's not dead, there's no way they'd kill of this series." But right at the end in the graveyard, I thought just maybe they had. And then you get that final moment, and it's a case of "WTF?"

[spoiler=]You didn't figure out that he was using John to establish himself as being on the ledge and then switched bodies with Moriarty? I thought it was pretty obvious as they were doing it. That was the whole point of getting the Molly the ME in on the plan ahead of time.[/spoiler]


Well I thought that but didn't we actually see the face of the corpse that went splat and that it was clearly holmes?

Fuck the spoiler tags. We have warnings. Anyway while I'm glad Moriaty's key code was bullshit, how did he delete himself/create the actor idendity without it?


I'd have to rewatch it to be sure but I remembered a dark-haired guy whose face was covered in blood from landing face first. Which could be either one.


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