I would have to dispute the ISD having the edge in firepower. Starfleet phasers are capable of annihilating targets completely. I do not recall anything in Star Wars having that capability.This would be a more fair fight for the Star Fleet ships (depending on who is in command) but it is hardly 'game over' for the SD. It just has too much of an edge in firepower.
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By weird technobabble rays that are entirely dependent on what they're shooting. Sure, they make organic matter disappear but then there's the infamous uselessness against packing crates. Furthermore, disruptor rifles.mutanthamster wrote:I would have to dispute the ISD having the edge in firepower. Starfleet phasers are capable of annihilating targets completely. I do not recall anything in Star Wars having that capability.This would be a more fair fight for the Star Fleet ships (depending on who is in command) but it is hardly 'game over' for the SD. It just has too much of an edge in firepower.
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Wow I really started a discussion here. That being said...even if we assumed that ST/SW had the exact same firepower, the shear numbers of guns on an ISD/SSD would carry the day. Say a turbolaser has the same firepower as a Sovereign/War Galaxy phaser array...that is what 60 equivalent Phaser arrays? I could be wrong on the numbers though. Still, my point stands, even with the same firepower, the ISD still has the advantage from number of guns (though it would be a more fair fight).
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Consider the following:Panzersharkcat wrote:By weird technobabble rays that are entirely dependent on what they're shooting. Sure, they make organic matter disappear but then there's the infamous uselessness against packing crates. Furthermore, disruptor rifles.mutanthamster wrote:I would have to dispute the ISD having the edge in firepower. Starfleet phasers are capable of annihilating targets completely. I do not recall anything in Star Wars having that capability.This would be a more fair fight for the Star Fleet ships (depending on who is in command) but it is hardly 'game over' for the SD. It just has too much of an edge in firepower.
Star Trek has replicators in common use for manufacturing, on demand, virtually any good desired. The only things that people would ship in a universe with that technology are the rare few things that can't be replicated, or those items for which there is a prevailing belief in the superiority of the non-replciated version.
Now, among the things that we know there is a demand for is non-replicated foodstuffs. Real steak, fresh fruit, etc. Now one thing these foodstuffs have in common is this: they spoil over time.
But what if you had a piece of technology that made time pass more slowly? You could ship farm fresh eggs, perfectly ripe peaches, and it will arrive at your destination as fresh and tasty as the day it was packaged. Now imagine if the technology to build such a wonder could fit inside a small device the size of an armband. You'd have to be insane not to use that in your packing crates, now wouldn't you?
Now, if time is effectively stopped inside these packing crates, what do you think that means for their reaction to weapons fire? It means the weapons won't do their thing until the stasis field is shut off, making them perfect for cover.
This also handily explains why the don't use the material in those packing crates for armor. Putting your soldiers in temporal stasis for the duration of a battle isn't particularly helpful.
In short, don't underestimate the packing crates.
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As fascinating (and pretty good and funny) as that theory is, I seem to remember phasers not doing so well against dense metals. (Fuck, I need to continue watching Trek past the first season of TOS.)
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Phasers also have multiple settings, including stun and the light kill settings (i.e. you get shot by it and you die but you don't disappear or 'vapourise'). Any time a phaser hits a packing crate and gets blocked by it, I always wonder if its because they simply haven't set them to the highest levels. And we've seen what a phaser on level 16 can do.
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We see hand phasers disappearing things all the time, but do we ever see ship-mounted weapons doing that? As far as I can remember we don't.
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Yeah, the Enterprise-D has done drilling with its main phasers before. The visual effect shows the beam strike the surface and 'disappear' the dirt and whatever's beneath. I just can't remember the episode/s.
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Ah, fair enough. I was thinking ship-to-ship.
Maybe the "Dissapearing" thing only works in an atmosphere for some reason?
Maybe the "Dissapearing" thing only works in an atmosphere for some reason?
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I seem to remember it happening in some of the DS9 space battles, too, but don't ask me for specific episodes leave alone scenes.
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IIRC we see some Cardassian beams blow holes in saucers sections,but I don't think hat counts as "disappearing" stuff.
For reference, I'm thinking of Third battle of Bajor in "Sacrifice of Angels" and First Chintoka in "Tears of the Prophets."
For reference, I'm thinking of Third battle of Bajor in "Sacrifice of Angels" and First Chintoka in "Tears of the Prophets."
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
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Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
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It happened a lot actually. Cardassian beams often tended to make chunks of the ship go poof, but only in the general area of incidence. Not that it really matters, because if they manage to drop an ISD's shields, then the next big hit will likely be a PT going flying through the bridge window.
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Oh well, geuss I was wrong.
Shit happens.
Shit happens.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
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Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
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Only one StarDestroyer?
I have a fleet of 2 Sovereigns, 3 Defiants, 2 Akiras and 2 Mirandas.
I can do this.
I’m outgunned and significantly disadvantaged, going by typical stardestroyer.net calculations, but I could do this.
I can do this . . . at least that’s what I would tell myself – a survival mantra.
Remember that the Federation’s greatest weakness is tactical dumbassery.
I’m not Sun-Tzu, but that’s not stopping me from producing a better showing than vanilla StarFleet.
Screw sub light combat, it’s suicide, the imperial wedge can (and will) tear my taskforce apart.
My only advantage is that Federation ships require less time to reach (their inferior) FTL.
Tactical warp jumps, multiple vectors, fire focused to a single point of the ISD.
I have a fleet of 2 Sovereigns, 3 Defiants, 2 Akiras and 2 Mirandas.
I can do this.
I’m outgunned and significantly disadvantaged, going by typical stardestroyer.net calculations, but I could do this.
I can do this . . . at least that’s what I would tell myself – a survival mantra.
Remember that the Federation’s greatest weakness is tactical dumbassery.
I’m not Sun-Tzu, but that’s not stopping me from producing a better showing than vanilla StarFleet.
Screw sub light combat, it’s suicide, the imperial wedge can (and will) tear my taskforce apart.
My only advantage is that Federation ships require less time to reach (their inferior) FTL.
Tactical warp jumps, multiple vectors, fire focused to a single point of the ISD.
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Have them chase me in to an asteroid belt. They'd be crazy to follow.
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Asteroids fields are something the Federation might have access to that is quantifiably known to hinder a Star Destroyer!Prometheus Unbound wrote:Have them chase me in to an asteroid belt. They'd be crazy to follow.