Jim Raynor wrote:
SW is a movie series that deals in simple good and evil. Villains are practically evil for the sake of being evil. The Galactic Empire was simply said to be "evil." Had TPM not mentioned the taxes AT ALL, and simply stated that the Trade Fed was "blockading Naboo," the movie would have worked just the same. Mentioning the taxes at all is arguably more than Lucas even had to do.
Yeah, we get it. You don't care that much about plotting when it comes to Hollywood blockbusters. Again, that's your opinion and that's fine.
Spare me the same nonsense that you keep going back to over and over again. The taxes are not
"plotting." The plot is the actual story that we see unfolding over the course of the movie. The taxes were a line of trivia that need not have been included at all. The movie could have simply said that the "greedy Federation" was "blockading the small world of Naboo" and that would have been that.
I pointed out already that even IF Lucas felt the need to spell this out, and dropped in a throwaway line like "We won't release Naboo unless the taxes are lifted," it would change nothing about the story, characters, or action. Everyone agree with that?
As I said before, this whole stupid 22 page thread is about the redefinition of normal by certain people, who are blinded to how hard they're grasping to find fault with this movie. I recall a while ago, you and several other people tried to portray me as some kind of abnormal freak (who couldn't "process fiction") for not giving a crap about this line of trivia. How you tried to twist ANH to suit your ends, claiming that the Death Star plans were some critical part of its story, without which ANH would no longer "be a good movie." The Death Star plans that I later showed to be an utterly extraneous plot device, that is alternately redundant, deprioritized, ignored, or even given away over the course of the movie. Are you still going to stick up for that nonsense, the way that other guy threw in his support for that idiotic idea of beating a blockade by hunting wildlife (or eating stores of MREs that were never mentioned, big difference!). Do you still stick by your previous nonsense about how jamming comms during a military attack needs to be explained?
Because THAT is the mindset from which you guys are arguing. It's ridiculous and surreal.
But for the fucking 1000th time, you have to at least admit that the plotting in TPM is drastically bare-bones compared with most other movies, even other mindless Hollywood blockbusters.
Please. TPM comments on things like parent/child relationships, institutional conformity and decay, and government corruption. It lays the groundwork for who Anakin is as a person, and why relationship with Obi-Wan is strained in the later movies. That's not "bare-bones" compared to "other mindless Hollywood blockbusters."
The Galactic Empire was evil for the sake of evil, yeah, but every action they took had an explicit, clearly explained goal: capture the Deathstar plans, attack Hoth, get the Millenium Falcon, etc.
Is this supposed to support your above claim about TPM being "bare-bones"? So...you admit that the Empire was evil for the sake of being evil. But it's SO MUCH BETTER because you can sum up what they're doing in two words. Which is not bare-bones? Which is so much more simple and clear than "get our way with an economic dispute?"
Please, tell me that the "greedy" Trade Federation with a trade franchise not liking taxes on trade is hard to understand again. I need a good laugh.
Since you finally seem to be implicitly conceding that TPM doesn't provide an explanation for the actions of the main antagonists (except in extremely broad strokes),
I've been saying it UP FRONT from the very start, about how the tax dispute is a virtual MacGuffin which matters little to the actual conflict that it escalated into. How it's almost like whining about how WWI started because some 19 year old kid shot an Archduke somewhere. Stop acting like you've forced me into a bad position. Stop pretending like you're smart, when you can't even seem to keep up.
Amazing how certain people assert their superiority, over their own inability
to understand a line of trivia in a movie written for kids and family audiences. That's the basic appeal of the RLM review, as I see it. It gives a voice to, and falsely empowers everybody who wants to think themselves better or smarter without doing anything to earn it. They're supposedly smarter and better than other people for asking stupid questions, and for expressing exaggerated hatred for a movie.
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