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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-07-31 08:04pm
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But can the Sisko defeat Boba Fett, the ultimate Mandawhorian?

As we all know, the Mandawhorians were mighty gods who suffered others to live only so they would have someone to bask in their greatness. Boba Fett is so awesome, he occasionally ventures out from his Sarlacc of Solitude to briefy remind all and sundry how amazing he is and how they are as worms before him.

So a battle between the Empire and Federation is really all about the Sisko and the Ultimate Mandawhorian. All else will be shaken to dust as their mighty fists connect.



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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-07-31 08:12pm
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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-01 06:43am
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HA! everyone forgets ADAMA! he alone can fucking win any battle by fucking looking at you! and hes better than Sisko.
so doesn't matter if you have Boba or Sisko, i have Adama. :P :P
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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-01 06:54am
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What about Kirk with his ripped shirt? I think we know who wins here.

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Oh, another thing I liked from the episode:

Odo: "You'd shoot a man in the back?"

Garak: "It's the safest way, isn't it?"

I love Garak.

Yeah. I also liked how he finishes that line by saying (after Odo asked him if he regretted not shooting Dukat in the back): 'Ah my dear constable, before the end of today everyone on this station is going to regret it.' Garak was a wonderfully complex and dark character.



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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-01 07:05am
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Yeah. I also liked how he finishes that line by saying (after Odo asked him if he regretted not shooting Dukat in the back): 'Ah my dear constable, before the end of today everyone on this station is going to regret it.' Garak was a wonderfully complex and dark character.


The scene where Dukat appears to Garak and Ziyal was great. Even though he was being held over the railing in Quark's, he just didn't pass up a chance to fire barbs at Dukat.

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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-05 01:43am
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HA! everyone forgets ADAMA! he alone can fucking win any battle by fucking looking at you! and hes better than Sisko.
so doesn't matter if you have Boba or Sisko, i have Adama. :P :P
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And I have Teal'c. And Zoe Washburne. And Honor Harrington.

Or better yet, Darth fucking Revan.* One of the few sci-fi villains who is both a personal-combat badass and a great tactician.

Any of the above would be more effective than Benjamin "Blowhard" Sisko.

* My apologies to the guy who goes by "Darth Revan" here.



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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-05 06:11am
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Destructionator XIII wrote:
* The mines had cloaking devices, but were Federation designs... apparently, the Feds have cloaking devices at this point, though they still don't use them on ships (prolly due to treaty concerns). Except the Defiant (fuck the treaty for the heroes apparently).
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The cloaking device surprised me. I had forgotten about that little detail. O'Brien and Dax designed them (wouldn't Starfleet have a think tank somewhere for that?) based on Rom's idea for self replication, but they wanted cloaking devices too. Apparently, all this tech can be quite small - the things were like a meter across, they said and showed.

The Romulans were out of the war. The Bajorans didn't have cloaks, and Rom was operating for them, not for the Ferengi government. Apparently, these cloaking devices did indeed come from the Federation, and were apparently an off-the-shelf replicator pattern, given how quickly they made shitloads of these motherfuckers. (Strangely, they seem to have replicated them ahead of time, since there were stores of them on the Defiant. I would have replicated them on demand to deploy, if possible, to prevent accidental discharge.)

Couldn't have been the KLINGON to have supplied them? And about the Defiant having a cloaking device... It's Romulan-supplied, and theorically for Gamma Quadrant use only. We can imagine the Romulans later gave a broader permission (I don't want to imagine what the Federation had to pay for that) or that sub-commander T'Rul said 'fuck it, it's for the Greater Good!' and let Sisko using it at will.
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So a battle between the Empire and Federation is really all about the Sisko and the Ultimate Mandawhorian. All else will be shaken to dust as their mighty fists connect.

You forget the Empire still has the template to create MORE of it. A CLONE ARMY OF ULTIMATE MANDAWHORIANS! Unless they still have Chuck Norris hidden somewhere, the Federation's fucked.

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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-05 12:24pm
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How are we defining "cloaking device" though? I'm not sure I'd jump to the assumption that all cloaking devices are the same.



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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-10 07:08am
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How are we defining "cloaking device" though? I'm not sure I'd jump to the assumption that all cloaking devices are the same.


I agree. To note the Federation holoship was also equipped with a cloaking device but I guess you could consider that operation a black op. The parameters of the treaty could simply specify ships and not devices.



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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-13 10:16pm
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Totally Vaporized? We saw an initial blast, then a series of more blasts before the asteroid was blown to itty bitty peices. The blasts came from multiple places on the asteroid station and there was only one container with the charge.

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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-24 03:15pm
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Regarding the fans loving Gul Dukat: Rooting For The Empire rears its ugly head again.



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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-24 03:56pm
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I'm curious: what's the record for most appearances by a recurring character in Star Trek? (Dukat might win that: 37 episodes is about equal to a season and a half.)



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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-24 05:05pm
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I can't remember the details exactly, but I believe Jake Sisko, billed as a main, had less appearances than some of the recurring guest characters. Morn alone would have appeared in more episodes than Jake, but he's just an extra (who had to undergo hours of makeup for his appearances though) who never spoke- despite being reputedly a chatterbox :lol:



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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-24 07:05pm
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A lot of people like the bad guys because they are far more interesting than the good ones. This is due to the fact that most "villains" usually start out as good guys, but experiences have hardened them to the point where they would rather be the wolf than the sheep. I dont think Dukat was always evil, or even evil when he first became procurator of Bajor. His first month he made significant changes to the way cardies treated bajorans- in a positive light. However repeated terrorist attacks made him a bitter SOB.

We can put ourselves in the position of the villain, and then we can see how and why they turned to "the dark side". If anything, its dang near tragic.

And in that episode where Sisko, Dax and Bashir are transported into the year 2024 [i believe] during the bells riots got me thinking...were not so far from it. 8)



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Firepower: Dukat fires a Federation type 2 phaser into an imaginary Weyoun. It blows a basket-ball sized chunk out of the rock behind there.


I don't know what kinds of basketballs you play with, but where I come from they are over 9 inches in diameter, the chunk was nowhere near that big, maybe baseball sized / 3 inches at best.

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So much for the can't shoot through a packing crate myth: a gunshot blasts straight through the container Quark was hiding inside!


So we see one crate that isn't made out of whatever-type-of-weapon-that-was proof material out of dozens if not hundreds.

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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-25 12:13am
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I see a basketball-size explosion, sure.



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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-25 04:52pm
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What are the Calcs if it was something like say, granite? I remember that episode and I was far from Impressed by Dukat's phaser shot.

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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-26 06:42pm
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I don't think the effect was anywhere near as large as allot of the blaster fire I've seen.

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 Post subject: Re: More random DS9 notes PostPosted: 2011-08-26 10:40pm
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I don't think the effect was anywhere near as large as allot of the blaster fire I've seen.

Like for instance, the explosions set off in the hangar wall in ANH. And that's a pistol doing that kind of damage, not a rifle.

Then there's clone trooper rifle fire blowing a droideka in half with one shot in AotC despite said droid's armor, and all these other incidents.



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The majority of those are smaller than Dukat's blast.

Hell, the holes are about the same size on screen between this and the Cloud City ones.... but the camera is closer in ESB, meaning it's actually the smaller hole!

Sweet jesus, are you people all blinded by your biases? Or is a little flash and smoke that convincing to you despite the massive difference in observed damage?

Sure, a lot of those are smaller than Dukat's blast. But blasters do that kind of damage much more reliably than phasers. I can think of maybe two or three scenes where a phaser did that kind of damage, but the post by Vympel that I linked to barely scratches the surface.



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No, Adam is right- you're letting your biases colour your thinking. Blasters in SW have high-end results like Han's blaster in Docking Bay 94, to Boba Fett's on Cloud City. But we've also seen blasters leave barely a scratch like in the Naboo Palace walls and columns during TPM, Luke got shot in the hand on Jabba's sail barge and all it did really was scratch his prosthetic (not even damaged it mind you, just burned the fake-skin off!) and Leia was shot in the upper arm at the end of RotJ and it was just a burn.

So basically blasters have a wide gap between their low-end observable effects and their high-end ones. Just like phasers. The only difference is that phasers are explicitly mentioned as having 16 different settings (TNG), whereas SW blasters are referred to only having at least two, though to account for the above discrepancies it's possible they have more than that or that different models of blasters have different firepower effects. Han's blaster for examples was customised to have heavy firepower in a small frame.



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No, Adam is right- you're letting your biases colour your thinking. Blasters in SW have high-end results like Han's blaster in Docking Bay 94, to Boba Fett's on Cloud City. But we've also seen blasters leave barely a scratch like in the Naboo Palace walls and columns during TPM, Luke got shot in the hand on Jabba's sail barge and all it did really was scratch his prosthetic (not even damaged it mind you, just burned the fake-skin off!) and Leia was shot in the upper arm at the end of RotJ and it was just a burn.

The TPM incident could be chalked up to the bolts striking solid stone (instead of what looked to be wood or fiberboard in Cloud City, or concrete in ANH). Also, those were standard pistols, not rifles or heavy pistols (lower power, in other words). Leia's arm? Two possible arguments: I saw a frame-by-frame once that indicated the blast hit the wall behind her, and she got a burn from the heat release. The Truce at Bakura posits that the shot just grazed her.

But as far as Luke's hand? ... I got nothing. :|

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So basically blasters have a wide gap between their low-end observable effects and their high-end ones. Just like phasers. The only difference is that phasers are explicitly mentioned as having 16 different settings (TNG), whereas SW blasters are referred to only having at least two, though to account for the above discrepancies it's possible they have more than that or that different models of blasters have different firepower effects. Han's blaster for examples was customised to have heavy firepower in a small frame.

I believe I read somewhere (might've been one of the Weapons and Tech guides; I'm not sure) that some blasters have variable power settings, while others don't. Easily accounted for by this difference between universes: All Federation infantry phasers seem to be one of the same four models (type 1 mini-pistol, type 2 pistol, type three rifle, phase pulse rifle) from a single Federation defense contractor, whereas blasters come in thousands of models from dozens of manufacturers (understatement). And that's before you account for modified weapons like Han's, which is powerful even for a heavy blaster pistol.



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