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Alright, I suck at spoilerizing stuff and I hate it when people come into movie review threads and bitch about spoilers being in it. So, below this text there WILL BE SPOILERS and if you don't like it get out.


***SPOILERS***


They're gone? Good. HOLEEEEE FUCK this is an amazing movie! There's NOTHING that I didn't like about it. The story, the visuals, the fight scenes, even the music! It was new and innovative and EXCITING while still staying true to the feel of the original movie. There's programs, users, light cycles (and light jets) and the old favorites are still there, but in a way that's new.

There wasn't much surprise, though, all of the 'shocking reveals' were about as well-concealed as you would expect for a PG Disney movie. But it doesn't matter if Jeff Bridges is actually Clu when his son first shows up, because its awesome. And when you realize Clu's number 1 hit man is actually Tron, you still don't care because Tron is awesome. Finding out Cora was the last Isomorph (a race of intelligent computer programs that were wiped out decades ago) was cool, but didn't change a whole lot.

Finally, Jeff Bridges was awesome. As Flynn, he was still his 1989 self complete with twenty-year-old slang (at one point he exclaims 'totally radical') and an odd mixture of new-age zen with wry hipness that I don't think anyone else could pull off. This film is going to be a blockbuster SMASH, especially given the season its being released at. All of the characters are great, even minor parts like Zeus and Jem (and I now have a new fetish in Jem) were incredibly well done.

Seriously, whatever you may have thought (or not thought) about Tron you need to go see this movie, because I guarantee you its going to be talked about for months to come.
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Adding two cents and not any spoilers. ;)

Saw it in 3D. Paid to see it in the 'premium' cinema experience (Food served to your chair. Recliner etc)

So, having paid premium, I think it was worth the price of admission. Unlike the god-awful clone wars crap (Where I walkout....)

Is it good? Yes. Is it Shakespeare level? No. It's a light, PG action-adventure movie. Nuff said.

Now...lets get into those kind of "OMG! plot holes!" and "This is how I would have done it with the plot" threads. ;)

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+1 to liked it.

Just got back from seeing it with Vymp.

There were a few minor plot holes (like how the hell Clu was going to conquer the world with a couple of hundred guys, or hell, how the system would be able to materialize all those guys, let alone the Carrier as well)...

But I have to admit to being pleasantly surprised. It was long, but the pacing was tight. The music was awesome, really helping sell a lot of the sequences. The character design worked well, and even the support characters helped sell this ("All hail the Users! ... Death to the Use-!" *splat*). Zeus, aka Michael Sheen was a great little bonus.

Suffice to say, the special effects were just spectacular, and only rarely '3D for the sake of 3D' as you occasionally see.

They had a lot more of Bruce Boxleitner in the film then I expected, which was awesome, even TRON himself showing up, which I didn't think would happen.

There were countless shoutouts to the original which made me laugh, and yet, there was nothing "80's" about it or the computer tech in the real world, from the iPad Allan had to the modded Nokia Sam had, mixed with some of the Tron stuff such as the touchscreen keyboards built into the desks of the tables.
Hell, they even got the Unix commands right! I was almost pumping a first in the air at the "kill -9" that programmer used to get rid of Sam's little barking dog. I almost thought it was a Chekov, and Sam was going to at the end of the movie, get out of the Grid, hit the terminal and Kill -9 Clu, but oh well.

I'd give this 3/5 if you were not a fan, 6/5 if you were, and 4/5 if you're a bit of a geek.
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Assuming that the CPU in that machine was no faster than a 286, with a clock speed of 12.5 mhz, a single millicycle is 8 hours. A cycle is thus 333 days or ~0.9 years. Given the machine was on for over 20 years, that's 8*10^15 cycles. which is about 7 billion years. Bumping that down to a 1 mhz cpu, that's 6*10^14 cycles or about 547 million years.

Even if it was a kilohertz cpu or even single hertz, you are still talking about a time period longer than the sum total of human history.
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Ebert called its plot a "catastrophe" but he also gave it 3 stars out of 4. He recommended removing your 3D glasses during the 2D sequences, which is what I will do.

Reviews are all over the place. Some people are complaining about the art direction and visual presentation (but not about the 3D, interestingly enough). Others love everything about it. Seems like this is definitely a movie for the fans and maybe the casual viewer, but a lot of the critics are turned off. It's too long, or it's a roller-caster. The acting is poor, and it's very good. The lead is a stiff, or he's a natural. Or whatever.

What the hell. I talked about this a lot on the forum in the past months and I am still psyched and I am going to see it and I suspect I will like it. The original has been bashed for all kinds of reasons, but I enjoyed it.

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Xon wrote:Assuming that the CPU in that machine was no faster than a 286, with a clock speed of 12.5 mhz, a single millicycle is 8 hours. A cycle is thus 333 days or ~0.9 years. Given the machine was on for over 20 years, that's 8*10^15 cycles. which is about 7 billion years. Bumping that down to a 1 mhz cpu, that's 6*10^14 cycles or about 547 million years.

Even if it was a kilohertz cpu or even single hertz, you are still talking about a time period longer than the sum total of human history.
Zeus said that Clu had been looking for Alan's disk for "A 1,000 cycles", and Alan said that "hours in the grid were like minutes" in the RW. A "cycle" might not have anything to do with an actual CPU "cycle".

I just saw the movie, and really liked it. Daft Punk were Awesome. The effects and fight scenes were AWesome. The SW and Batman riffs ("That's not how you use it", "You shall serve me like I did your father before you", Zen & "The Dude!") were great.
My one complaint was the ending, and how everyone seemed to "job" to CLU. Seriously, 3 on 1 and the best they could do was Zen suicide bomb? WTF?
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Have avoided reading the thread. Going to see it tonight. Excitement overwhelming.
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I'm trying to avoid getting spoiled, but this is pretty much the only place I can ask if it is worth seeing in 3D. Is it?
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I am risking being late to a date tonight to see this movie *by myself.* What can I say? Your enthusiasm is infectious.
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Thirdfain wrote:I am risking being late to a date tonight to see this movie *by myself.* What can I say? Your enthusiasm is infectious.
Consider taking your date. My buddy's girlfriend who had never heard of Tron loved the movie.
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The young lady in question is not well-suited to the film; also we have dinner plans and it's simply not possible. I might go on Sunday with this other girl who I think might be in to it...
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Thirdfain wrote:The young lady in question is not well-suited to the film; also we have dinner plans and it's simply not possible. I might go on Sunday with this other girl who I think might be in to it...
I'd say skip the movie and go for the date. See it later, perhaps, but don't hold the phone for this one.

The visuals were impressive, but the plot felt almost as rough as the original Tron, and then the movie just felt like it ended, full stop, without a good conclusion. Well, at least to me. I'll just get shouted down, I think.
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The visuals were impressive, but the plot felt almost as rough as the original Tron, and then the movie just felt like it ended, full stop, without a good conclusion. Well, at least to me. I'll just get shouted down, I think.
Actually, while I felt that the plot as a whole was quite solid, I will agree with you that the movie ended with an immediate desire for more and not necessarily in the good sort of way either, although I suspect that we can blame Disney for that when they realized that they were probably sitting on a gold mine and thus mandated sequel hooks, although it is hard to see where they will go with the series in a significant way. Sure, they can easily do more movies, but I'm not seeing where the conflict in the next one could be.

As for the critics, I think their problem is that lots of them don't like storytelling. They want meaning and subtext and a dozen other post-modernist buzzwords, but damn you if you want to tell an honest story, because the only requirement of a story is that it entertains you. It doesn't need to have commentary on relevant social issues, it doesn't have to have a dozen layers of metaphor and hidden meaning... all a story needs is to engage your imagination, something that I think a lot of film critics actively hate.

But yes, the visuals and music are like golden honey delicately drizzled over the senses, and I felt that the story was superior to most of the crap Hollywood shovels out these days and held together quite well. For the whole "How can Flynn conquer the world with his tiny army" thing I will say that he probably had no idea how massive our world really was and probably would not have got very far. Also, while I think it is more incidental than intentional, there's some interesting stuff that could be taken as religious allegory that someone will inevitably pick up on.
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Academia Nut wrote: For the whole "How can Flynn conquer the world with his tiny army" thing I will say that he probably had no idea how massive our world really was and probably would not have got very far.
This is the best way of thinking about. Could you image that giant aircraft carrier thing being formed in the tiny basement, demolishing a few city blocks?

That said, it was an excellent movie in my opinion. Lovely visuals and music. The ending did come across a bit lacking in tension, but this is not a dealbreaker.

Also, even though it is childish, Quorra is smoking hot.

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Academia Nut wrote: Actually, while I felt that the plot as a whole was quite solid, I will agree with you that the movie ended with an immediate desire for more and not necessarily in the good sort of way either, although I suspect that we can blame Disney for that when they realized that they were probably sitting on a gold mine and thus mandated sequel hooks, although it is hard to see where they will go with the series in a significant way. Sure, they can easily do more movies, but I'm not seeing where the conflict in the next one could be.

As for the critics, I think their problem is that lots of them don't like storytelling. They want meaning and subtext and a dozen other post-modernist buzzwords, but damn you if you want to tell an honest story, because the only requirement of a story is that it entertains you. It doesn't need to have commentary on relevant social issues, it doesn't have to have a dozen layers of metaphor and hidden meaning... all a story needs is to engage your imagination, something that I think a lot of film critics actively hate.

But yes, the visuals and music are like golden honey delicately drizzled over the senses, and I felt that the story was superior to most of the crap Hollywood shovels out these days and held together quite well. For the whole "How can Flynn conquer the world with his tiny army" thing I will say that he probably had no idea how massive our world really was and probably would not have got very far. Also, while I think it is more incidental than intentional, there's some interesting stuff that could be taken as religious allegory that someone will inevitably pick up on.
Maybe I missed something here with the story. To me, I felt either apathetic toward the story as it was going on, or seemed to correctly guess at the direction of the plot "twist" minutes in advance. I dunno, maybe it was the mood I was in.

Examples (paraphrasing):
Sam: "The portal closes in 8 hours? How am I going to get there?"
Quorra: "I used to know a guy that can get you there."
My reaction: Huh, how convenient.
<Sam gets spotted by one of the gals who turned him into a program, who takes him to Zeus.>
Zeus is a maniac that runs a nightclub.
My reaction: Let me guess, Zeus runs a front organization that neutralizes would-be subversives. Oh, wow, he does.
Quorra is the last member of an extinct race.
My reaction: Meh.

Also, how was I supposed to feel anything for Tron? I had watched the original as a kid and rewatched it just before seeing this, so I knew Tron was supposed to be "fighting for the users". But there was no demonstration of internal conflict, nothing, and then <Stark>at CRUCIAL MOMENT Tron uses BACKSTAB REDEMPTIVE SNEAK ATTACK to save good guys lol</Stark> and all is right with the world.

Nitplus: Props to whoever decided to use actual unix commands instead of bullshit for the "computer hacking" scenes. That brought a smile to my face.
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They left several hooks for sequels, off the top of my head:

1. Cillian Murphy. They didn't hire him to play the son of Flynn's arch-enemy in one scene because they thought he'd really nail it. He's the 'wonderkid' who's going to be pushed out now that Sam is back.
2. Tron isn't dead. He went white while he was in the water, and there's no reason to think he'd drown given that he doesn't breathe.

My prediction: Tron Revolution (a guess) is set about 2 months after this movie. Sam is doing well as CEO of the company and Quorra is his hot girlfriend enjoying life. But Sam gets a message from Tron- he's trying to rebuild the society of the grid, but an evil USER (Dillinger Jr.) is attacking him and he needs their help. Sam and Quorra to the rescue.

If they get a 4th movie, I predict spykids level slapstick as my soul dissolves.
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Something I was actually kind of surprised about, and not displeased about either, was the really strong anti-DRM/pro-information freedom stuff that showed up. Beyond that, the film was visually amazing, had incredible music, Jeff Bridges spewing hilarious Zen jazz etc. The story wasn't exactly great shakes but nothing in it screamed stupidity or dullness. I really liked Quorra's gushing, awkward fangirl moments, like the dinner scene.
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Really, the movie's plot just kinda dragged and it made huge leaps in logic. It wasn't well paced, even though it was stunning with action and visuals. It's just a sharp aesthetic when you see people run around in those outfits with the light strips sure, and it has a very techno soundtrack, but what was the plot?

Guy goes into computer. Fights dudes. Needs to go home. Gets home. Also, digital girl who's speshul for some reason. Hokay. But let's all ignore that since people are killing each other with laserdiscs, mmmkay?
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The ISO's were special because they were artificial intelligence, weren't they?
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Zac Naloen wrote:The ISO's were special because they were artificial intelligence, weren't they?
Not only were they AIs, they had manifested spontaneously on the grid. Basically they were an evolved digital life form.
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The Grim Squeaker wrote:
Xon wrote:Assuming that the CPU in that machine was no faster than a 286, with a clock speed of 12.5 mhz, a single millicycle is 8 hours. A cycle is thus 333 days or ~0.9 years. Given the machine was on for over 20 years, that's 8*10^15 cycles. which is about 7 billion years. Bumping that down to a 1 mhz cpu, that's 6*10^14 cycles or about 547 million years.

Even if it was a kilohertz cpu or even single hertz, you are still talking about a time period longer than the sum total of human history.
Zeus said that Clu had been looking for Alan's disk for "A 1,000 cycles", and Alan said that "hours in the grid were like minutes" in the RW. A "cycle" might not have anything to do with an actual CPU "cycle".

I just saw the movie, and really liked it. Daft Punk were Awesome. The effects and fight scenes were AWesome. The SW and Batman riffs ("That's not how you use it", "You shall serve me like I did your father before you", Zen & "The Dude!") were great.
My one complaint was the ending, and how everyone seemed to "job" to CLU. Seriously, 3 on 1 and the best they could do was Zen suicide bomb? WTF?
I took the hour / minutes conversion to the more or less literal so Alan would have been on the Grid for about 1200 subjective years, he looks rather good for his age.
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Wow, this movie was incredible. Be seeing it again in a couple of days. The music/visuals sold it, plus it had a decent story. The ending felt a little rushed, that was about my only problem with it.
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For those wondering of time, the disc and all that jazz?

Alan is Bruce Boxlietner. KEVIN FLYNN is Jeff Bridges.

CLU was looking for Kevin Flynn.

And decent cheesy movie. Likely made more then Tron ever did and overall nice IMAX experience. Not worth the 3D.
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Academia Nut wrote:As for the critics, I think their problem is that lots of them don't like storytelling. They want meaning and subtext and a dozen other post-modernist buzzwords, but damn you if you want to tell an honest story, because the only requirement of a story is that it entertains you. It doesn't need to have commentary on relevant social issues, it doesn't have to have a dozen layers of metaphor and hidden meaning... all a story needs is to engage your imagination, something that I think a lot of film critics actively hate.
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It was pretty much exactly what I wanted from a Tron sequel. Daft Punk did a superb job on the soundtrack. They got what Tron music was about and they built on it. I was a little disappointed that they didn't make the flashback scenes a hybrid of old Tron graphics with the new effects just for cheesiness sake but that certainly didn't break the movie for me.

As for Clu's huge army, the "digitizing laser" is basically magic so I didn't have a problem with him expecting to bring his army into the real world.
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