1. Memory Alpha states that the first borg cube encountered was 3km on each side. 2.7e10 cubic metres in other words.
2. Assuming it was made of iron, a volume that large (going by the figure of 7850kg/m^3 here), would mass ~2.12e11kg.
3. However, it is clearly not solid metal. Assuming that 90% of the volume is empty, the mass of the cube should be 2.1195e10kg, or ~21.2 million tonnes.
4. The densest metal on that site is platinum (21400kg per m^3), so even if the ship were made entirely of platinum, the result would only be ~57.8 million tonnes.
I'm not sure they say the mass of the borg cube in an episode although their tiny scout ships they said had a mass of 2.5 million tons as stated in an episode.
Yes - because they lowered their damn shields!. Yes, it was stupid to lower the shields just because Vader wanted a holo-conference instead of plain old video.
Besides, the Star Destroyer was not even destroyed - all that happened was that communications were cut off, hardly a crippling hit.
so stupid that it's safe to assume they wouldn't lower their shields for that reason. There's no evidence that i've seen which says that they need to lower their shields for this type of communication. If they are able to transmit video media data through the shields then they can transmit holo data through the shields too. Plus the scene demonstrates that the star destroyer doesn't have the firepower to destroy asteroids of that size since they didn't bother trying.
Proof that the Borg can adapt to firepower measured in hundreds of gigatons? See Borg ships damaged by stellar radiation, low-velocity debris from the exploding planet in "Scorpion pt 1", regular 8472 ships blowing them to kingdom come, Starfleet blowing a cube up in "First Contact", that lone 8472 dismembering Borg drones (in case you want to try the old "adapt to kinetic impacts" one) and so on and so forth.
hmm if you're referring to the solar eruption that destroyed the borg ship in "descent pt 2" that was a totally different kind of borg ship run by a totally different type of borg so you're comparing apples to oranges here.
it's unclear how much low-velocity debris was hitting the borg ship while the planet was exploding plus this was after the bioship attacked the borg ship and the firepower of the bioships is a contraversial matter. We see the firepower of 8 bioships demonstrate an equal amount of destructive power used to destroy the death star. I know the standard wars reply to this is to just claim that the weapon is chain reaction based and clear it from your mind that way but this is still an unproven opinion.
Captain picard knew a weakness of the borg cube in first contact. He asked the entire fleet to focus fire at a specific weak point. This has little to do with what their shields can adapt to.
A borg cube survives wolf 359 untouched, species 8472 bioweapons, the attack by the enterprise's main deflector. They don't need to have their shields absorb all the firepower either. Their hull can withstand quite a bit and they have an impressive ability to regenerate with their collective efforts.
Clearly the projections were wrong - borg cubes have been repeatedly destroyed after much less damage.
SHELBY: Projections suggest that a Borg ship like this one could continue to function effectively even if seventy eight percent of it was inoperable.
nope there's nothing that suggests that unless you assume that the borg ship like the one in "best of both worlds" is like other borg ships.
I would ask the people here to avoid the subject matter of the borg in their replies. The moderator Thanas just mentioned this to test me at basic math and has technically broken the forum rules by creating tangents unrelated to the topic at hand.
Oh man, you are an idiot. And a barely articulate one at that.
Then that would make your intellect the equivalent of an amoebas.
First, you put too much faith in Q, a character who has more often than not toyed with the protagonists for no better reason than just having fun. Furthermore, Q is supposed to have reality bending powers, or, in other words, he cheats and alters the rules, so whatever he can do (like, I don't know, guiding Picard through the whole mess) cannot be replicated by lesser beings (as in "the rest of the Universe").
You yourself admit that the whole thing took place due to Q's intervention, so, without him, there's little that can be accomplished.
Secondly, you have no idea what time travelling entails. You claim that there's no incongruence because the anomaly would happen after it is caused by the ships. But since it travels back through time, it would actually happen before it is caused, wich is either a pre-destination paradox, or a violation of causality, both of wich work aganist your theory. You keep making this flawed point over and over.
Q gives picard a helping hand while at the same time causes the event? Q says that picard causes the anomoly. Picard knows all about dealing with Q and picard believed him dispute this which shows that your claim is unfounded.
Picard: I know why it's happening. We caused the anomoly with the tachyon pulse
Data: I think I know what the captain is talking about. If I'm not mistaken, he's describing a paradox.
Data: it is possible. We could have caused the very anomaly we've been looking for. Let us assume for a moment that the captain has been traveling through time. Let us also assume that he has initiated a tachyon pulse at the same coordinates in all three time periods. In that case, it is possible that the convergence of thee tachyon pulses could have ruptured the subspace barrier and created an anti-time reaction.
Geordie: I see where you're going data. And because anti-time operates the way normal time does, the effects would travel backward through the space-time continuum.
Picard: yes, that's why it gets larger in the past. It grows as it travels backward in time.
Thirdly, anti-time is not a magic word that solves all your problems. You keep using it as a buzzword to avoid complications, but fail to realize that it makes no sense. Try chaging anti-time with dehodorant to realize how pointless it is. You are not providing arguments, you're just repeating yourself (aka Broken Record tactic).
No quotes from Q or use of anti-time here. They also say that the anomaly travels backward in time. The reason why the anomoly wasn't always there is because the anomoly hadn't reached that moment in time yet in that time period. In various episodes of enterprise they make references that the effects of certain changes in history haven't reached them yet. Plus it took time to repair the timeline after archer stopped the nazi aliens. You guys expect the changes to occur instantly but in some episodes of star trek we just don't see that.
Firstly, Q cannot be trusted. Secondly, Q never explicitly states anything, he just hints at it. It could all as well have been a game on Q's part, wich, if his point was to show to the rest of the continnum that humanity is worthwile, would be a good idea.
Besides, dialog has to be taken with a grain of salt, or else (as has been pointed out to you) the Force could destroy galaxies, and throwing The Fallen into a black hole would have no effect unless the black hole turns out to be a Prime.
actually Q does specifically state that he's not the one that will annihilate man-kind rather he is. I'm surprised you'd even claim that without checking it out.
Fourthly (or Fifthly, I lose count), work on your reading comprehension, and read the whole proposition before answering in rage. I explained how the anomaly grows into the past, and shrinks into the future, and how that would make it likely for it to be detected, and you reply with "there's nothing they can do about it because the anomaly grows into the past and shrinks into the future". Brilliant.
wow you lose count when you count to 5? Damn you are dumb, not sure I'll even bother wasting my time replying to your posts after this one. And I explained to you how the anomaly grows in the past.
Also, you're incredibly retarded if you expect Picard's logs to magically stay in place when, you know, all he did in the episode (save his memory) is reset at the end. As for Picard's knowledge, him memorizing things so he can relay them between incarnations of Data hardly counts as comprehension.
his memory improved as the episode went on. Remembering the details of how to do this doesn't require much. "An inverse tachyon pulse in 3 different time periods" - you really don't think he can remember that? really??
uhh ok
Still, it's irrelevant. You completely ignore Picard's character because it suits you, you ignore that such a lawful person, with such a sense of duty to humanity (and life in general) would rather have himself killed than let the formula for ultimate destruction fall in the wrong hands (a theme often explored in Trek), yet you expect him to leave that information lyign around so a hateful psycho (by your own admission) gets a hold of it. Do you really like Trek? Because you're showing a great deal of disdain for it and what it stands for.
He told his crew about what happened in the future. He would want to report how it happened to star fleet intelligence to avoid an incident like this from happening again. The whole point of history is to avoid making the same mistakes afterall. Then given enough time, some borg cube assimilates someone that knows about it and then they know how to do it. Then if the borg don't take advantage of the technology then maybe some pscyho that was liberated from the collective may want to do it or some psycho can aquire the information from a borg data node.
As for your comment on how in St vs SW we have to pick the best of each. You're an idiot. The idea here is not to simply have a dick waving competition, it is to use critical analysis to compare technologies for fun. Trying to decide if Q, Darth Revan, Doctor Who, Oma Desala or the Metabaron are stronger is pointless, since they cannot be quantified accurately, and thus cannot be discussed logically. But you've proven quite clearly that you're here for the dick waving.
As I already pointed out several times, you're the idiot. The federation is nothing in the 24th century. Using your logic, how about we argue whether the federation can destroy the ewoks instead since the ewoks abilities can be quantified as well. If the various races in the star trek galaxy cannot be quantified accurately then you just can't state that star wars is better than star trek. I like star trek and star wars but star wars fans always act like star trek would be a push over which I find silly given what I see on g-canon.
Oh, a final note, you've admitted to being the creator of a certain Trek video that was featured on another thread. A video in wich you deleted criticism, banned critics, and even created fake accounts with similar names to make them sound idiotic and thus bolster your own position. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously at all when your debate tatics resemble a toddler screaming for attention? What will you try next? Holding your breath? Soiling yourself? Oh wait, you'll ignore any inconvenient points and twist facts to accomodate your needs, probably misquoting wildly to make yourself look better! Meh, it'd be more believable if you just soiled yourself.
It keeps the video clean. From my point of view, it's a fact that the krenim would win. I addressed all of the criticism that was posted on the youtube video on forums at one time or another. This isn't really related to this thread either.
Cool! An imperial cruiser has a mass of around 60 million metric tons (right?) as opposed to, what 4 million tons for a Galaxy class. But the question is how fast are they going when they exit hyper space? Pretty quick?
come on... you have to resort to s-canon stuff to make the star destroyer look good? I like mine better
this is the scene where people think that ateroids are being vaporized by a star destroyers weapons. It was really fragmentation as you can see.