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houser2112 wrote:
Lusankya wrote:I have a waist:hip ratio of a .65 or thereabouts, which is quite ridiculous, really, and if someone wanted to point at my arse and laugh about it, it would not be difficult for them to convince me that it's larger than usual for a woman of my size.
Ridiculous? The classic "perfect" measurements set of 36-24-36 has the same ratio as you do.
And you think that "perfect" is somehow common because...? That seems quite naive in a thread discussing ridiculous standards of beauty and the notions of perfect and ideal body shapes that create these standards.

The fact that my measurements in some way approximate "perfect" (except with slightly smaller numbers) suggests that my measurements are actually quite ridiculous.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:
Elfdart wrote:Wait a minute -weren't you the one a few months ago talking about how much you love stockings? Surely your legs have something going for them if you like to show 'em off, right? My girlfriend goes on and on about how her butt is too big (it's perfect the way it is), but it's never stopped her from wearing lowrider jeans.
Take it from a crossdresser: Somehow stockings and leggings are magical. It doesn't matter how bad you think your legs are, as long as they're covered in some sort of fabric they immediately become at least 50% more presentable in your eyes. I've gone through that myself and have seen it happen with enough people not satisfied with their lower half to realize it's a fairly common trend.
We're talking regular stockings and not Spanx, right? Because in that case it must be an optical illusion, since regular stockings don't really reshape the calves or thighs.
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Darmalus wrote:The hair one is interesting. What hair styles were popular before the whole hair cosmetics business took off? It shows my lack of culture when the only "old" hairstyle I can think of are 70s Afros, complete with jumpsuits and disco balls.
The pressure for black women (and men to a lesser degree) to spend a lot of time on their hair predates the hair cosmetic industry. In America it has it's roots in hundreds of years of racism and living as a minority where the more black and 'kinky' your hair the uglier you were and lighter skinned blacks with less kinky hair were considered better, superior, prettier.

You still see the pressure even on this board by prominent members when people make claims that black people need to stop wearing du-rags because they are just attempting to emulate gangster culture or even if that's not the reason, they should still stop because that's what society regards it as. The only alternative to a du-rag is a stocking cap, which probably has more negative connotations than a du-rag. Another one that I've seen (not as unanimous) on this board is anti-dreadlocks.
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ArmorPierce reminds me of relatively well known excerpt from Malcolm X's autobiography, which talks about hair in black culture by way of personal experience.
Malcolm X, in 1964 wrote: Shorty soon decided that my hair was finally long enough to be conked. He had promised to school me in how to beat the barber shops’ three- and four-dollar price by making up congolene, and then conking ourselves.

I took the little list of ingredients he had printed out for me, and went to a grocery store, where I got a can of Red Devil lye, two eggs, and two medium-sized white potatoes. Then at a drugstore near the poolroom, I asked for a large jay of Vaseline, a large bay of soap, a large-toothed comb and a fine-toothed comb, one of those rubber hoses with a metal spray- head, a rubber apron, and a pair of gloves.

“Going to lay on that first conk?” the drugstore man asked me. I proudly told him, grinning, “Right!”

Shorty paid six dollars a week for a room in his cousin’s shabby apartment. His cousin wasn’t at home. “It’s like the pad’s mine, he spends so much time with his woman,” Shorty said. “Now, you watch me-”

He peeled the potatoes and tin sliced them into a quarter-sized Mason fruit jar, then started stirring them with a wooden spoon as he gradually pored in a little over half the can of lye. “Never use a metal spoon; the lye will turn it black,” he told me.

A jelly-like, starchy-looking glop resulted from the lye and potatoes, and Shorty broke in the two eggs, stirring real fast- his own conk and dark face bent down close. The congolene turned pale-yellowish. “Feel the jar,” Shorty said. I cupped my hand against the outside, and snatched it away. “Damn right, it’s hot, that’s the lye,” he said. “So you know it’s going to burn when I comb it in- it burns bad. But the longer you can stand it, the straighter the hair.”

He made me sit down, and he tied the string of the new rubber apron tightly around my neck, and combed up my bush of hair. Then, from the big Vaseline jar, he took a handful and massaged it hard all through my hair and into my scalp. He also thickly vaselined my neck, ears and forehead. “When I get to washing out your head, be sure to tell me anywhere you feel any little stinging,” Shorty warned me, washing his hands, then pulling on the rubber gloves, and tying on his own rubber apron. “You always got to remember that any congolene left in burns a sore into your head.”

The congolene just felt warm when Shorty started combing it in. But then my head caught fire.

I gritted my teeth and tried to pull the sides of the kitchen table together. The comb felt as if it was raking my skin off.

My eyes watered, my nose was running. I couldn’t stand it any longer; I bolted to the washbasin. I was cursing Shorty with every name I could think of when he got the spray going and started soap lathering my head.

He lathered and spray-rinsed, lathered and spray-rinsed, maybe ten or twelve times, each time gradually closing the hot-water faucet, until the rinse was cold, and that helped some.

“You feel any stinging spots?”

“No,” I managed to say. My knees were trembling.

“Sit back down, then. I think we got it all out okay.”

The flame came back as Shorty, with a thick towel, started drying my head, rubbing hard. “Easy, man, easy!” I kept shouting.

“The first time’s always worst. You get used to it better before long. You took it real good, homeboy. You got a good conk.”

When Shorty let me stand up and see in the mirror, my hair hung down in limp, damp strings. My scalp still flamed, but not as badly; I could bear it. He draped the towel around my shoulders, over my rubber apron, and began again vaselining my hair.

I could feel him combing, straight back, first the big comb, then the fine-tooth one.

Then, he was using a razor, very delicately, on the back of my neck. Then, finally, shaping the sideburns.

My first view in the mirror blotted out the hurting. I’d seen some pretty conks but when it’s the first time, on your own head, the transformation, after the lifetime of kinks, is staggering.

The mirror reflected Shorty behind me. We both were grinning and sweating. And on top of my head was this thick, smooth sheen of shining red hair- real red- as straight as any white man’s.

How ridiculous I was! Stupid enough to stand there simply lost in admiration of my hair now looking “white,” reflected in the mirror in Shorty’s room. I vowed that I’d never again be without a conk, and I never was for many years.

This was my first really big step toward self-degradation: when I endured all of that pain, literally burning my flesh to have it look like a white man’s hair. I had joined that multitude of Negro men and women in America who are brainwashed into believing that the black people are “inferior”- and white people “superior”- that they will even violate and mutilate their God-created bodies to try to look “pretty” by white standards.

Look around today, in every small town and big city, from two-bit catfish and soda-pop joints into the “integrated” lobby of Waldorf Astoria, and you’ll see conks on black men. And you’ll see black women wearing these green and pink and purple and red and platinum-blonde wigs. They’re all more ridiculous than a slapstick comedy. It makes you wonder if the Negro has completely lost his sense of identity, lost touch with himself.

You’ll see the conk worn by many, many so-called “upper class” Negroes, and, as much as I hate to say it about them, on all too many Negro entertainers. One of the reasons that I’ve especially admired some of them, like Lionel Hampton and Sidney Poitier, among others, is that they have kept their natural hair and fought to the top. I admire any Negro man who has never had himself conked, or who has had the sense to get rid of it- as I finally did.

I don’t know which kind of self-defacing conk is the greater shame- the one you’ll see on the heads of the black so-called “middle class” and “upper class,” who ought to know better, or the one you’ll see on the heads of the poorest, most downtrodden, ignorant black men. I mean the legal-minimum-wage ghetto-dwelling kind of Negro, as I was when I got my first one. It’s generally among these poor fools that you’ll see a black kerchief over the man’s head, like Aunt Jemima; he’s trying to make his conk last longer, between trips to the barbershop. Only for special occasions is this kerchief-protected conk exposed- to show off how “sharp” and “hip” its owner is. The ironic thing is that I have never heard any woman, white or black, express any admiration for a conk. Of course, any white woman with a black man isn’t thinking about his hair. But I don’t see how on earth a black woman with any race pride could walk down the street with any black man wearing a conk- the emblem of his shame that he is black.

To my own shame, when I say all of this, I’m talking first of all about myself- because you can’t show me any Negro who ever conked more faithfully than I did. I’m speaking from personal experience when I say of any black man who conks today, or any white-wigged black woman, that if they gave the brains in their heads just half as much attention as they do their hair, they would be a thousand times better off.
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ArmorPierce wrote:The pressure for black women (and men to a lesser degree) to spend a lot of time on their hair predates the hair cosmetic industry. In America it has it's roots in hundreds of years of racism and living as a minority where the more black and 'kinky' your hair the uglier you were and lighter skinned blacks with less kinky hair were considered better, superior, prettier.

You still see the pressure even on this board by prominent members when people make claims that black people need to stop wearing du-rags because they are just attempting to emulate gangster culture or even if that's not the reason, they should still stop because that's what society regards it as. The only alternative to a du-rag is a stocking cap, which probably has more negative connotations than a du-rag. Another one that I've seen (not as unanimous) on this board is anti-dreadlocks.
How the fuck is a do-rag the only alternative to a giant fucking 1970s afro? What the fuck is wrong with this?

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There is no reason black men need to walk around wearing those fucking do-rags. The idea of justifying them by appealing to racial tension is bullshit. There are plenty of respectable black men who don't wear the fucking things.
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There is no reason black men need to walk around wearing those fucking do-rags. The idea of justifying them by appealing to racial tension is bullshit. There are plenty of respectable black men who don't wear the fucking things.
It's not the ONLY alternative to a fro but if you are spending a lot of time spending money and or time straightening it, getting waves or braiding it you don't want it to be looking a mess by the next day. Braids can start getting undone in as little as a day. Waves require a du-rag.

It's hard to really see his hair so well but comparing someone who has the benefit to professional hair stylists and make-up artist to random people you see walking down the street is not fair. From what I can see, it looks like he IS using a relaxer to make his hair less curly. So if he wanted to protect it he would wear a doo rag or some other hair covering.
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Looks to me like it's just short, which is far easier than fucking around with chemical baths on your head. But it's true that he's a Hollywood guy, so how about this guy?
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That looks quite respectable to me, not ridiculous or worthy of mockery in any way. Again, I don't see why the fuck anybody has to walk around with a do-rag on. It looks stupid, and there is nothing intrinsic to black people which compels them to dress like that.
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The fact that the hair seems to be slightly waving at the top suggests that it's been treated with a mild relaxer (that or it was brushed and put down). I could be wrong, it could be the shadow of the picture, I'm not a expert on hair.

Yes that is completely natural and I agree it looks respectable.

Another fact, a lot of black women who straighten their hair or get braids wear du rags or other hair coverings as well (if it's straighten they may wrap it up before covering it). They usually put it on before going to bed and take it out when they go out.
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White women torture their hair as well. The point I'm making is that it's not some kind of anti-black conspiracy. Look at the white woman at the end of the video in the OP: does that hair even remotely resemble what she has at the beginning of the video? Hell, in the 1980s women used to get "perms" to make their straight hair curly. Fashions shift and change with time, and sometimes it's more or less convenient to have a particular kind of hair. It's not an anti-black conspiracy.

Not everything is an anti-black conspiracy. Do you think Chinese guys are happy about their fucking hair? The Spock Wannabe look is not fashionable anywhere in this society, and I can't think of a time when it ever was. That's why you see so many of these pussy-ass Asian guys walking around with teased-up hair, festooned with red highlights. It's always comical when you see a young Asian couple walking into the mall and it's difficult to tell their hairstyles apart.
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Darth Wong wrote:White women torture their hair as well. The point I'm making is that it's not some kind of anti-black conspiracy. Look at the white woman at the end of the video in the OP: does that hair even remotely resemble what she has at the beginning of the video? Hell, in the 1980s women used to get "perms" to make their straight hair curly. Fashions shift and change with time, and sometimes it's more or less convenient to have a particular kind of hair. It's not an anti-black conspiracy.

Not everything is an anti-black conspiracy. Do you think Chinese guys are happy about their fucking hair? The Spock Wannabe look is not fashionable anywhere in this society, and I can't think of a time when it ever was. That's why you see so many of these pussy-ass Asian guys walking around with teased-up hair, festooned with red highlights. It's always comical when you see a young Asian couple walking into the mall and it's difficult to tell their hairstyles apart.
My experience is that caucasian girls nowadays would kill to make straight asian black hair, but yeah no one wants a Chinese guy's hair.

I like to think asian guys part of my generation aren't on that pussy-hair bandwagon - all my asian friends just cut it short so it's a bit spiked up, or just do a classic comb. None of that fucked up highlight stuff.

However, there's some fucked up hairdos among teenage caucasian kids in Australia right now, it's just nightmarish - mullets are in. It scares the shit out of me.
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You're afraid of mullets?
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Stofsk wrote:You're afraid of mullets?
I'm scared of the implications for the intelligence of the coming generation, yes.
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Stofsk wrote:You're afraid of mullets?
What, you're NOT?
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loomer wrote:
Stofsk wrote:You're afraid of mullets?
What, you're NOT?
I'm not scared of a hair style, no.
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Vympel wrote:
Stofsk wrote:You're afraid of mullets?
I'm scared of the implications for the intelligence of the coming generation, yes.
Aren't mullets the hairstyle of choice for bogans?
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mr friendly guy wrote: Aren't mullets the hairstyle of choice for bogans?
That are different mullets. Mullets have been en vogue for a certain type of male teenager here as well for a while. Bogans don´t put any effort into styling their mullets wheras these teenagers look like they spend an hour in front of the mirror every morning. Sometimes the long hair in the back are colored - i´ve seen pink several times - or they have some crazy geled up hairdo on the shorter top hair.
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Vympel wrote:I like to think asian guys part of my generation aren't on that pussy-hair bandwagon - all my asian friends just cut it short so it's a bit spiked up, or just do a classic comb. None of that fucked up highlight stuff.
You idiots make me sick. Oh no, the horror of someone styling their hair of their own free will to achieve a desired effect! That's for women and gays, am I right men? *flexes* *kisses guns*
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Darth Wong wrote:Not everything is an anti-black conspiracy. Do you think Chinese guys are happy about their fucking hair? The Spock Wannabe look is not fashionable anywhere in this society, and I can't think of a time when it ever was. That's why you see so many of these pussy-ass Asian guys walking around with teased-up hair, festooned with red highlights.
I guess I must be that 1 in 100 who ended up with decent hair. Either that or I'm the only one who knows a decent barber.

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AWWW. It thinks it has decent hair.
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Rye wrote:
Vympel wrote:I like to think asian guys part of my generation aren't on that pussy-hair bandwagon - all my asian friends just cut it short so it's a bit spiked up, or just do a classic comb. None of that fucked up highlight stuff.
You idiots make me sick. Oh no, the horror of someone styling their hair of their own free will to achieve a desired effect! That's for women and gays, am I right men? *flexes* *kisses guns*
OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL!!!! I can picture Rye crying and screaming "FREEEEEDOM!!!!"

Why is it that whenever you point out that something is stupid or silly, some whiny little shit invariably pops up to shout that he has the right to do it? No one is denying that, moron. We're just pointing out how ridiculous it is to put that much effort into something as overtly superficial as your hair. You know, part of the whole point of this thread: people expending huge efforts on their appearance in order to meet some arbitrary standard.

At least with women, there is some rationale for it: like it or not, our society judges women heavily on their appearance. Even for getting jobs and promotions, as sad as that is. But men? Men have even less excuse to expend such efforts on trivialities. I seriously doubt any guy ever got a real job because the interviewer was impressed by the red highlights in his hair.
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Darth Wong wrote:Why is it that whenever you point out that something is stupid or silly, some whiny little shit invariably pops up to shout that he has the right to do it? No one is denying that, moron. We're just pointing out how ridiculous it is to put that much effort into something as overtly superficial as your hair. You know, part of the whole point of this thread: people expending huge efforts on their appearance in order to meet some arbitrary standard.
Because it's not like expending that effort has tangible benfits in real life *I'm a smarmy asshole*.
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JointStrikeFighter wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Why is it that whenever you point out that something is stupid or silly, some whiny little shit invariably pops up to shout that he has the right to do it? No one is denying that, moron. We're just pointing out how ridiculous it is to put that much effort into something as overtly superficial as your hair. You know, part of the whole point of this thread: people expending huge efforts on their appearance in order to meet some arbitrary standard.
Because it's not like expending that effort has tangible benfits in real life *I'm a smarmy asshole*.
Show me those "tangible benefits", asshole.
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Re: Evolution: A video on female beauty & image

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WTF MIKE! Editing other people's posts? I know it's your board but that is pretty fucking tasteless.

And protip; people's perceptions of you may be affected by your appearance. Because when I see hair like below I know thats a highly educated professional.

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Re: Evolution: A video on female beauty & image

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JointStrikeFighter wrote:WTF MIKE! Editing other people's posts? I know it's your board but that is pretty fucking tasteless.
I didn't edit anything, asshole. I've got a word censor for certain stupid-asshole terms that I'm sick of seeing. Anybody who uses that word will automatically get the same treatment.
And protip; people's perceptions of you may be affected by your appearance. Because when I see hair like below I know thats a highly educated professional.

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Yet again you demonstrate your stupid asshole credentials. The fact that you can't look like a complete slob does not mean that a man should expend great effort on hairstyling. Nice black/white fallacy, dipshit. Morons like you are the reason ladders come with instructions.
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