Could we have a fixed tech tree for once and not endless fudging around?

I'm not sure I am 100% committed to this game, and I will wait and see for the time being.

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STGOD: Byzantine Empire
Your spirit, diseased as it is, refuses to allow you to give up, no matter what threats you face... and whatever wreckage you leave behind you.
Kreia

Well, we would have history as a guide if we did an earlier history. Sure some things might be sped up a little so we're not waiting around forever, but nobody will have nuclear powered battleships within the first five years, either.


Yeah. I'm a mod in SDN Wars so that sort of takes a priority, as well as real life which throws odd wrenches into my schedule. So we'll see. For me I think it depends a lot on the time setting. 1935 I can probably get behind, but 1900 is a bit iffy for me. But we'll see.


One thing I at least need to do is resolve the Camilla thing, once and for all. Then I can be happy with declaring that 'I won' this round.

Speaking of which, I need to send you that Prime Noir idea I had, don't I? Shit. Hopefully by tomorrow.

I really really - REALLY - need to get back on PRIME NOIR. I'm so sorry guys, for being not active enough, but real life is goddamn fucking wasting. But I so totally want to go on with PRIME NOIR because, shit, as they say in Metal Gear Solid - SHROOM, IT'S NOT OVER YET! THERE'S NO ESCAPE!!!

PeZook, have you changed any of the plans much in light of my being a totally lazy and useless shitpiece?

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shroom is a lovely boy and i wont hear a bad word against him - LUSY-CHAN!
Shit! Man, I didn't think of that! It took Shroom to properly interpret the screams of dying people - PeZook
Shroom, I read out the stuff you write about us. You are an endless supply of morale down here. :p - an OWS street medic
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Yeah, because I'm so totally awesome I haven't written anything in like three weeks.



No. But I really, really do intend to start moving along tomorrow. With the Kamila thing, too.

And if we decide to end the game with Prime Noir, then I shall reveal the idea I had for the epilogue

We still need to kick off the coup in Japanistan.

It'll suck not having you, but that's actually why I didn't think SDN World 3 would start soon. I figured some people would want to take a break, so to speak, or participate in other STGODs like Rogue, and that this would give us time to negotiate and determine stuff like starting year, tech level, system refinement, etc. I wasn't even planning on bringing this up for another month or two, but I had a couple requests to start the issue up now and figured "why not?".

Anyway, look forward to the awesome epilogue. I've thought of a couple myself but I'm interesting to know what you have in mind.



Wilkens, that is precisely what I intend my service specialization point system to be. The higher your points in the navy, the better ships you can build, with a certain threshold being mandatory before you can build dreadnought-style BBs. (Carriers would require both a minimum naval score and air score, assuming we do an interbellum-period game).

Now, if you're also referring to quantity of ships one can build, we can easily tinker with the proposed system to say that so many points gives you so many construction slipways. The player would have to also state where his yards are.

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”A Radical is a man with both feet planted firmly in the air.” – Franklin Delano Roosevelt

"No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism." - Sir Winston L. S. Churchill, Princips Britannia

American Conservatism is about the exercise of personal responsibility without state interference in the lives of the citizenry..... unless, of course, it involves using the bludgeon of state power to suppress things Conservatives do not like.

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Well, you were kinda supposed to start a separate thread for this, remember? A workshop separate from the SDNW2 chat so 2 can proceed as normal?

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tiny friendly crab.

I didn't think a separate thread would be quite necessary yet for just the reasons I stated (and because making an entirely new thread might send the wrong message to people who want to continue this one for awhile). Though if we're really going to discuss this strongly now I suppose I should start one. Maybe ask Bean to split these posts off?

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”A Radical is a man with both feet planted firmly in the air.” – Franklin Delano Roosevelt

"No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism." - Sir Winston L. S. Churchill, Princips Britannia

American Conservatism is about the exercise of personal responsibility without state interference in the lives of the citizenry..... unless, of course, it involves using the bludgeon of state power to suppress things Conservatives do not like.

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Ask been to split em off and sticky, I suppose. That way we can just go back to it anytime somebody's got a suggestion without digging back through pages.

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tiny friendly crab.

It is a sad day for the Union.

Goodbye Comrade! *salutes*


PRIME NOIR must continue!!! I'll see if I can write up a part myself.

*hums*

That's cool Shady.

Now that I'm dead, I'm officially dropping out and whenever SDN World 3 starts, just call me. I'll be there to take the helm of the Soviet Union or some sort of other weird quasi-Russian state once more.

"Here, cleverly disguised as a Bomb, is a bomb."

Hmm...we really should upgrade airport security to account for KILLER CYBORGS.

Except, his cover is as an InGen spokesman at a Robotics conference...to the point that someone from a NFT company had gone through security the day before.

I ment in a general sense. Because metal detectors and x-rays won't quite cut it when somebody hides a kilo of Semtex inside his chromed robo-arm

I would make a crack about you having no imagination, but then I was fully intending to go with the Shinra Republic yet again.

BTW, since I need a snarky comment in here today:

You didn't think we'd let that meme die just because Stas did, did you?

Anyway, I had an idea for game three that was basically taking our world and going back into the past with it; that way, we wouldn't waste all the time and effort on the maps, our histories, and so forth. However, some things would be a little different. There would be a Point of Divergance with the history we initially wrote up, setting up a slightly different '1935' (I do like that time period but am amenable to others) than what SDN World Redux's populace knew.

Of course some things wouldn't last: the NFT, PacUnion, and UCSR come to mind. Still, I think it would be interesting to see the F-ing Continent back in the days where they were agitating for their freedoms. Perhaps the players would take the role of semi-autonomous Governor-Generals appointed from the local populace, nominally loyal to their colonial masters but secretly scheming to break away.

Or not. The new map does include a bunch of new islands and such that you could make a whole new country and persona for yourself if you desired. Anyway, I'll probably bounce ideas off Steve before I post up a framework in here. I've got time, since this game isn't dead yet.

Although I do have one solid idea. We name it SDN World: 33 1/3

With what you said Rogue, I am going to bring up something that has been on a few peoples minds. Basically some of us are not that keen on how the last game went in the fact that both CATO and MESS formed into one solid block and forced the game into a cold war which enver really went anywhere. I can respect that people want to form alliances with others but I for a fact don't really want to see that repeated over again in a new setting. I want to see new alliances etc. I am just bringing it up as it is a cornern for some.

I just spent an entire game getting walked over by Great Powers whilst trying to work myself up to a position of moderate significance. I think I'll pass on a game where my hard-earned status is once more reduced to that of an insignificant colony.

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SDN World 2: The North Frequesuan Trust
SDN World 3: The Sultanate of Egypt
SDN World 4: The United Solarian Sovereignty

There'll be a bodycount, we're gonna watch it rise
The folks at CNN, they won't believe their eyes

Yeah, I know. In my scenario, we would have no real alliances. Maybe at best a 'proto-MESS' between Tian Xia, Shinra and Wilkonia. However, with the PoD I mentioned above, there would be serious question as to whether the MESS would ever even form. As the 'proto-MESS' is little more than an agreement by the various American powers to not fuck with each other (too much) and that if anyone tries to mess with America, they'll get the shit kicked out of 'em. Sort of like a Monroe Doctrine if Canada and Mexico had signed on to it with the US or something.

As far as alliances or the lack thereof, it depends on the setting. WWI could have been quite ugly, and might have been all over the world, in a sense, in that the OC conflict 'inspired' others to make a play for something, so it'd be more a collection of wars all over the world that occured at around the same time. That should leave some pretty good scars on the international playing field. Depending on how the wars went, and who fought who, that would determine who would be in good relations, who has an uneasy trust/distrust mindset...and who is looking over the border just waiting for the next flashpoint.


Well like I said, it was an option for people who wanted it. And we have enough new landmasses out there you can pick a new nation and a new destiny if you don't want to go that route.

EDIT: And way back in the day I mentioned to Steve that a Round Three could have us retain memories of being somebody plucked from a message board to run a nation (because I kinda like that element of 'fish out of water' except Q would blank our memories of it. So far as we know, it was 2008 when we left and this is only Round 1. And as an added bonus, he'd have us believe we're the only person there is in this scenario, and would put in mental blocks to make sure that the more unimaginitive country names *cough*Wilkonia*cough* wouldn't tip us off to the fact there are other Players in the game. With a judicious bit of mod-fu to make sure nobody can make the connection/say the wrong thing to someone and realize "Holy shit it's you!" or anything like that.

Essentially divorcing us from "so-and-so were friends on SDN so they're allies here" while letting us keep the 'holy shit what the fuck am I doing as a leader?' thing. And would enforce more realism on our actions, since as far as we know, all the other leaders are actual leaders and we're not just fucking with other SDNers (which was to be the intent of this game, but actually enforced in Round Three).

Just my overly complicated idea.

To be brutally honest I feel the incorporation of the MESS alliance - and worse, having the majority of its members gathered on one unassailable continent - was in all likelihood the biggest mistake of round #2. It instantly robbed the game of a lot of potential intrigue and the de-facto MESS hegemony forced an us-vs-them mentality that got very tiresome very quickly. I don't think I'll be playing another game if it's going to be more of the same in that respect.

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SDN World 2: The North Frequesuan Trust
SDN World 3: The Sultanate of Egypt
SDN World 4: The United Solarian Sovereignty

There'll be a bodycount, we're gonna watch it rise
The folks at CNN, they won't believe their eyes

The problem isn't that characters knew each other. It's that they took their former friendship to the utter extremes of absurdity.

That deal with Shep and Lonestar (of "He killed millions of people in this game but I knew him before so its ok and I'm perfectly sane and quite morally justified in protecting him thanks" infamy) is probably the most egregious example I can think of.

Also I'm going to echo Siege's concerns. Unassailable MESS superbloc + bad roleplayers with superpower nations = epic pain in the ass.

I'm not sure someone playing as a landlocked country with a good-sized navy should be allowed to accuse others of "bad Roleplaying"

Odd choices of Ryan aside Lonestar. This is one of my fears. I can understand that cooperating with your fellow MESS members on various stuff like you did is fun. As Siege pointed out. Even when I came in in about 2012-3, it was starting to become a cold war. I am not going to play blame game but thats how it felt.

It's kind of up to you weather you guys want to play ball, I know at least one does which is good.

Hmm...but the early 20th Century the "tech gap" was such that even a "smallish" country could afford to play a role on the world stage, if only through the possession of a handful of BBs.

(Hell Belgium took over the entire Congo watershed)

Well aside from blaming the MESS while simultaneously disclaiming the intent to play the blame game I don't think it all that likely such a massive alliance would work again. Hell in game 1 we were all opposed against Bean for much of the game despite him being a Mess member. This game I think was more the result of geography than anything else (at least with the TX-SR-W trifecta) and the allure of being part of the largest currency union which could only have positive economic effects.

Honestly for game 3 I'd just use the real world map, take a real world departure point (in terms of the existing copus of law and territory) but then shake things up a bit (maybe divide the US up, leave Germany divided, China unified, Poland independent, etc) before setting up our nations.

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"I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. "
-Kingdom of Heaven