Dark Hellion wrote:I think one thing we should remember is that even if SC can shape up his behavior, it will probably be at least a year before he can actually become a "contributing member" of the board. He is very young and thus can't provide experiential advice to anyone, he lacks any technical knowledge bases so he cannot contribute like Shroomy can on nursing, broomstick on aviation, or Red on teaching, and he doesn't seem to have the critical thought processes developed that would let him contribute to N&P, SLAM or Vs. debating.
To be fair, there are alot of "long time" members who have a spotty or poor history of "contributing" too, while some relativeyl new members do or have contributed positively right off the bat.
And really, I dont think this board "teaches" any thing critical unless its through getting your ass beaten in verbally - you either have the skills (or develop them on your own) to cope, or you dont really last long here. Again, I can think of a few longtime members who would benefit from "critical thought processes" being more developed.
In some ways I almost feel sorry for him because he has raised the ire of damn near the whole board and has no recourse by which to prove himself useful, he can only prove that he isn't useless. But this is the hole he dug himself and I think it may be time for us to bury him in it, instead of simply kicking dirt down on him.
Again, why assume he instigated a strong emotional reaction out of anyone? He annoys people with his antics, but I dont see all that many people (much less a large portion of the board) actively HATING him. Pitying him maybe, or just tired of the drama and BS and all that, or tired of him not getting a clue, but I dont see many people hating him. I suspect that most of the time he's simply under their radar or not worth notice.
Havok wrote:Actually a Permanent Ban isn't exactly that, as Bluewolf has shown. If SC feels like he has improved on his own and in his own opinion, during his time apart from the board, he is capable of asking for the ban to be lifted.
A PB is more of a way to force him to think instead of post and participate. It does not preclude him from waiting just as much time reading the board and trolling the chat as he states he likes to do. He has to make that change on his own.
At this point I won't turst his own opinion on "improvement." He has to prove it to others htat he's changed before we let him back . Even if we tempban him and he comes back if he isnt changed I'll be pushing for permban next time until he CAN improve.
The real test will be what he does with the time he's given, or how he reacts to the ban. Either he'll take it as a clue and shape up, or he'll just move elswhere.