I wasn't going to follow this up in the HoC, but since someone else has brought it up here, I'll reply.
Thanas wrote:RedImperator wrote:I described your attitude, not your point. I believe I summed up your point earlier with "RARGH BLARGH FUCK YOU PLEBES".
Wasn't you, until you have a sockpuppet. And I don't think that is a fair assesment of my position. Hey, I can summarize your position as well "RARGH BLARGH MOAR POWR TO TESTING".
Oh, and please tell me why the HoC should now be something it never was supposed to be in the first place? It was created to have ideas brought up (yeah, what a great success that has been so far), not to take over from the senate.
Hilariously, you managed to get every single thing in this post wrong. Congratulations are in order, I suppose. Let's go point by point.
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Wasn't you, until you have a sockpuppet.
Ahem.
From this post wrote:Since when? I have my complaints about the HoC, but I don't think that warrants a bunch of Senators stomping around going RARGH BLARGH FUCK YOU PLEBES and ignoring basic board rules.
That was in reply to fgalkin, but in case you didn't realize it, "a bunch of senators" includes you.
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And I don't think that is a fair assesment of my position.
More fun with quotes to follow.
Thanas wrote:JointStrikeFighter wrote:Thanas wrote:WE'RE THE SENATE RAR FUCK YOU PLEBEZZZZ
No matter the winky smile, the statement is entirely correct when it comes down to votes.
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your own words, dude. Well, technically JSF's words, but you happily affirmed them.
If you have a more nuanced position then this, it's certainly not apparent from your posts in that thread. "The board is not a democracy", "I have a better chance of meeting Cleopatra", et cetera. You challenge me to defend the proposal (which I will do, shortly, despite my own reservations about it), while your entire objection can be summed up as "fuck you". If you
do have a better argument, I'd be thrilled to hear it.
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Hey, I can summarize your position as well "RARGH BLARGH MOAR POWR TO TESTING".
Here's a fun idea: go back in the thread and, using my words, find where I said anything about giving power to Testing. In fact, find where I said anything in favor of giving more power to anyone at all. The most I said was that it would be a minor change and you and Fgalkin were overreacting.
Phantasee handled the rest of this pretty well. The HoC is not Testing. The only person who said that was fgalkin, and he got rebuked by Edi. If it
seems like the HoC is Testing, it's because the Testing regulars represent some of the most active board members who aren't in the Senate (as well as a few who
are in the Senate). So like Phantasee said, this wouldn't be a proposal to give power to Testing. It would give power to the board denizens in general.
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Oh, and please tell me why the HoC should now be something it never was supposed to be in the first place? It was created to have ideas brought up (yeah, what a great success that has been so far), not to take over from the senate.
If something is a certain way, it can never ever change!
Anyway, the reason to give the HoC collectively a vote in the Senate would be to give the regular board members a chance to participate in the process and take a measure of ownership of the board policies. Is it a good idea? I'm skeptical because the HoC has comported itself rather poorly since it was created; for some reason, it always seems to turn into some clusterfuck drama storm or another. And on top of that, the logistics would be difficult--how would you prevent Senators from voting twice? However, the proposal was to give the HoC a single vote, or at most two or three, out of the ~50 or so total in the Senate. That's not "taking over from the Senate". That's giving the entire rest of the board a 2 or 4 or 6% share of the vote, with 50 or so senators the other 94 or 96 or 98%.
At any rate, regardless of what you think of the proposal, it warrants more than the response it got. When a member in good standing at SDN makes a reasonable suggestion in a forum created for members to make suggestions, it deserves more than "fuck you, plebes" in response, especially from the board members who are allegedly the best at crafting well-reasoned arguments.