SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread VII

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I assume one of those aircraft is from Tian Xia. Rather hard to believe a small country like yours can afford development like that.

[K. A. Pital]

Well, Iran also plans a 5-th gen fighter jet. Remember, plans are not the real thing - besides, if he has money to blow on carriers, he can also blow money on stealing other's technologies. Kinda like the hacking into F-35, and then this info probably gets to many nations who are building their 5th gen

I'm also sure that development will drag for years.

Here's a very similar project by a poor nation:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... image1.jpg
Shafagh

[TimothyC]

Chances are I'll be going STOVL.

Can be aquired El Cheapo. I think about 2x squadrons of Yak-141 STOVL have been retired with the Moskva helicarrier cruisers. Shady never got to describe what happened with them, so they're probably still not sold from the UCSR inventory...

I buy MESS, Cascadian, and IRT equipment (the A-40s from you were the exception). I'll probably be buying F-35Bs from Shinra (between 50 and 75 of them).

[Lonestar]

I assume one of those aircraft is from Tian Xia. Rather hard to believe a small country like yours can afford development like that.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Especially since the image he produced is a carbon copy of Tian Xia's NATF.

(I am referring to the latest Lunacy to come from Czechmate)

[Lonestar]

That would settle the problem of having to refit them, thoguh all the ECM/ECCM and anything indigenous would be ripped out, such as the sonar system.

You're out of your mind on the marketability of them, then. Doing anything to the sonar dome means the work can cost almost as much as building a new ship. (I refer you to the Gonzales and what happened after it ran aground and got it's sonar dome banged up)

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

You're out of your mind on the marketability of them, then. Doing anything to the sonar dome means the work can cost almost as much as building a new ship. (I refer you to the Gonzales and what happened after it ran aground and got it's sonar dome banged up)

Leave the sonar dome there then, take out the towed array.

[Lonestar]

Well, in that case, the Old Dominion would like to purchase 2 of your STAR DDGNs.

[K. A. Pital]

Python - the new U.C.S.R. 4th generation light recon vehicle to replace the BRDM-3.

[Shroom Man 777]

How can Czech make a 5th generation fighter? He's even more of a Midget Nation than Ryan Thunder's Miratia.

@ Langley:

Shroomania will have, by the year 2020, a new large destroyer armed with many missiles.

Namely:

CONSTELLATION-class: Stealthy nuclear-powered destroyer with non-magnetic hull

Displacement: 17,000 tons

Armament:

192x VLS cells capable of firing S-500-C and the S-500-D/E missiles, and various cruise missiles such as Kh-101 and medium cruise missiles. Diameter approximately ~.8m, hot packing of as many as 6 S-500-C missiles. 1 S-500-D/E missile per cell.
6x 533mm torpedo tubes
2x Goalkeeper CIWS
2x RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile launcher
2x 20mm machine guns
2x ASW Helo
2x SHEL laser cannon
+ Surface Ship Torpedo Defense for hard and soft kill torpedo defense
using decoys and counter torpedoes

EW Systems

* APAR-1 radar system, w/ APAR-MFR-1 X-Band Radar, and the APAR-
VSR-1 S-Band Radar
* Sonar:
o HF and MF Sonar Array (Conformal arrays and bow array)
o Multifunction Towed Sonar Array/Ultra Low Frequency Active
Sonar Array
o Integrated Undersea Warfare system for mine avoidance and
submarine warfare, and anti-torpedo system
* Electro-Optical/Infrared System
* Integrated S-500F combat system
* Integrated Torpedo defence system
* ECCM/ECM/Nulka decoys & AN/SLQ-25 Nixie
* UAV control stations
* SRBOC launchers

Hull (nonmagnetic)

* Propulsion: Nuclear with electric drive (~200,000 hp for up to
35 knots)
* Backup power: 2 turbines delivering 30MWt each
* total displacement estimated ~ 17,000 tonnes
* Hanger and landing pad for two helicopters and UAV launch
stations
* Cost estimated ~ 2-3 billion (initially)

[Lonestar]

How can Czech make a 5th generation fighter? He's even more of a Midget Nation than Ryan Thunder's Miratia.

Probably the same way the has THREE CVs!

[Beowulf]

The xGM-175 Diamondback is a fast missile, and it's range is 1200 km, kinda like our replacement missile the Kh-215. It's not a strategic land-attack weapon like the Tom, Kh-55 or Kh-101, it's a tactical missile.

The conventionally armed versions of the Tomahawk have a similar or lesser range to the xGM-175. the xGM-175 is also a smaller missile, thus allowing more rounds to be carried. A nuclear armed variant would have longer range, due to the more compact warhead. There's another variant in the works as well. Surface launch only, but significantly larger, to allow increased range. Of course, the thing about these are: they don't require any special launch system, they can be launched from the existing Mk41 strike-length VLS cells. This allows significantly greater flexibility. They can also be air launched by fighters, such as the F-15G, or F-16DJ, instead of requiring a bomber for delivery. Again, greater flexibility.

[Shroom Man 777]

How can Czech make a 5th generation fighter? He's even more of a Midget Nation than Ryan Thunder's Miratia.

Probably the same way the has THREE CVs!

Someone better tell Czechmate that his calloused hand is furiously peeling the skin off his penis.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Well, in that case, the Old Dominion would like to purchase 2 of your STAR DDGNs.

So to be clear here. The main differences between the standard STAR DDGN configuration and mine are:

• 192 VLS cells.
• 1 155mm AGS
• 17,000 tonnes fully loaded (there abouts but still does 33knots)

If you are agreeable to that, and the ship will be fully fueled, uses a reactor fuel mix identical to MESS standards, full armed (meaning fully loaded with SM-4s etc.), and comes without the towed sonar array and sensitive indigenous equipment, and otherwise kept in fully good condition and relatively new (2 years of service), both ships are roughly 2 billion each.

[Lonestar]

If I'm going to be re-installing stuff like comms, SIGINT Suites, and towed sonar than I think $1.8bil a pop would be more acceptable(especially as I would probably have to modifiy the aviation capabilities so it could base CA101s)

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

If I'm going to be re-installing stuff like comms, SIGINT Suites, and towed sonar than I think $1.8bil a pop would be more acceptable(especially as I would probably have to modifiy the aviation capabilities so it could base CA101s)

Deal.

[Lonestar]

Deal.

If I take a 3rd and 4th one off your hands, will you push the price down to 1.75 per unit?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Deal.

If I take a 3rd and 4th one off your hands, will you push the price down to 1.75 per unit?

Actually, I have only 2 STAR DDGNs, unless you want the CGNs which are much larger at 28,000 tonnes with 312 VLS cells

[Lonestar]

Nah, just the DDGNs. For some reason I thought you had 5.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Nah, just the DDGNs. For some reason I thought you had 5.

3 of the 5 are S-500Fs.

Ah well, I will have to figure whether to refit the existing cruisers or something.

[Shroom Man 777]

Wait a sec. 312 VLS cells? That's quite a lot.

I'm totally confused. How many VLS cells do the average modern destroyers and cruisers have?

EDIT:

Hang on a sec. Looking at Stas' Coalition-class destroyer, which I just remembered I was also planning on using... it's got 224 VLS cells. That's... a lot.

Is it possible to put that much missiles on a destroyer?

EDIT 2:

[Lonestar]

Wait a sec. 312 VLS cells? That's quite a lot.

I'm totally confused. How many VLS cells do the average modern destroyers and cruisers have?

EDIT:

Hang on a sec. Looking at Stas' Coalition-class destroyer, which I just remembered I was also planning on using... it's got 224 VLS cells. That's... a lot.

Is it possible to put that much missiles on a destroyer?

Understand, these vessels are much bigger than "Real world" destroyers and Cruisers.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Wait a sec. 312 VLS cells? That's quite a lot.

I'm totally confused. How many VLS cells do the average modern destroyers and cruisers have?

EDIT:

Hang on a sec. Looking at Stas' Coalition-class destroyer, which I just remembered I was also planning on using... it's got 224 VLS cells. That's... a lot.

Is it possible to put that much missiles on a destroyer?

The ship in question is not just bigger, but it is without the large VLS units. It's solely carrying the SM-4s and related.

You must remember that Stas' cruiser has 224 VLS there abouts AND 36 huge VLS for large missiles.

So it's about right. Also, I think Stas is likely to tweak the destroyer a little. That's not a final design I think. Also my VLS for the S-500F is quite large at .8m x .8m. A lot of difference here.

[Shroom Man 777]

Maybe Stas made some mistakes on some numbers. The Coalition-class destroyer has the same length and beam as an Alreigh Burke but has more than two hundred VLSes...

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Maybe Stas made some mistakes on some numbers. The Coalition-class destroyer has the same length and beam as an Alreigh Burke but has more than two hundred VLSes...

That's pretty much what I have been saying. Notice he hasn't quite even put a tonnage for the ships.

[Shroom Man 777]

Erm... those statistics of your Praetor-class DGN are accurate? The numbers seem a little bit sparse... 128 VLSes? But those are the larger ones for the S-500F?

(I am modeling my future Constellation-class after your Praetor a bit, btw)

EDIT:

I picked the wrong name. Constitution-class was the Star Trek ship, god damn it. Not Constellation. Fuck.

EDIT 2:

But I'm not a Trekkie. Why should I give a fuck about Star Trek references?