This is too hilarious not to share:
Jedi Master Spock wrote:Cock_Knocker wrote:And again, you dismiss the silly notion that it took 12 HOURS for Han and the rebels to get to the control room without being discovered, that it took 12 MORE hours for the Imperials to run in to this "maze of tunnels" (And where is the proof of said maze, BTW? Quotes? Schematics? Anything?)and Han armed charges and ran out of the "maze" in a little less than 12 hours. On top of that, you side step the notion that the Rebels would blow the shield generator FOUR DAYS before the fleet gets there. Yeah, some surprise attack. Also, I noticed you threw in the "ridge" red herring. That no longer applies to what we're discussing once they're already AT the bunker. Try not to muddy up the discussion too much.
Novelization: "Apparently Wicket knows about a back door to this installation."
=snip further red herrings=
Apparently, you've failed to read my above post carefully, so I'll try to reiterate. My objection to using the "ridge" comment stemmed from them already being
AT the door to the bunker. So using the "other side of the ridge" to explain why it took them 12 hours to walk to the control room
from the back door of the bunker is a red herring in itself. The last sentence of the above post clearly explains this.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:And the tunnels? From the novelization, tunnel:
Furtively she led the way down the dark and low-beamed tunnel.
Ah, selective quoting. I haven't seen this since Elim Garak from ASVS... Of course, I said "maze of tunnels", referring to some fictional area they were easily lost in. I didn't say there WERE no tunnels.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:(Leia's in the lead, FYI.) And maze?
Han, Chewie, Leia, and a dozen Rebel commandos made their way through labyrinthine corridors toward the area where the shield generator was waiting on their map.
Uh, did you read and understand what you've just posted? Not only did they know where they were going, they had a
map to aid them. There's absolutely nothing in that quote or any other source that says it will take 12 HOURS to walk from the back door of the bunker to the control room. The 12 hour assertion needs to be
proven (and not disproved by me) by either a canon, or an official source. Not fan (or in this case, non-fan) speculation.
First of all, the Imperials coming to capture them already knew they were there, thanks to the Emperor. Secondly, you need to prove that Ewoks were somehow DAYS away. Proof? Quotes?
Jedi Master Spock wrote:I don't, since as I've stated earlier, I favor a matter of hours.
This video is based on Darkstar's comedic webpage. Moving on...
Jedi Master Spock wrote:IMO, there's no reason to assume the Imperials entering the bunker were doing anything more than blocking off an avenue of escape.
Your opinion runs counter to the obvious intent of what the movie is showing us. The Imperials obviously didn't sprint into the entrance, then stop just inside the doorway.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:Proof? Quotes? How did Han and co. get there in less than four days? They were on foot, too.
Strawman much? If someone is in good shape, they can walk a hundred klicks in a day.
Strawman? No, common sense. It was the next morning after recruiting the Ewoks that Han and co. were at the ridge. Not four days later.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[However, short legged Ewoks are not going to make the hike to the far side of the Imperial shield generator complex in minutes. It's going to be at least on the order of hours, given short Ewok legs.
But not four days. Bright Tree Village wasn't that far away.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[No, they really don't have much to do with it. I'm talking about a quarter to a half day, while you're arguing against five days. Arguments aimed an order of magnitude off simply don't translate very well.
Then you shouldn't try to shoehorn your Endor timeline into
this discussion, which is about Darkstar's timeline, correct?
Jedi Master Spock wrote:Take that argument up with 2046. I'm not advancing five days.
Then we're done here on this subject. The video is based on Darkstar's timeline, obviously. Not yours.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:Such snide comments betray your Mr. Rogers demeanor. If you're trying to say the video itself has framerate problems because it was poorly put together, then be a man and say so.
Did you know that you're implicitly insulting women when you say things like that? Not to call this a warning, mind, I'm not taking offense personally, but it's a habit of speech I've started to notice seems to be common here when tempers run thin, and I can't think it's a great one.
The only thing that's thin is your laughably false attempt at rightous indignation. My comment "be a man" implies that I'm talking to a man who is not acting in the fashion a man is expected to act. This used to imply a man stands by the courage of his convictions rather than couch them in doublespeak. If you are female, then I apologize. Or is English your second language?
Jedi Master Spock wrote:I'm not seeing where he called you stupid.
That's not surprising, really. I've had to point it out to you in the past. Anyway, there's no other way to take the following snide comment:
Who is like God arbour wrote:To be honest, your video is preposterous and doesn't show much sharpness.