Old/New Republic reactions to WMD being used against them..

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-12-24 09:30am

As most cloaked ST ships (well pretty much all actually), lack the alfa-strike capability to signifigantly damage a SW capship just after uncloak (and that's assuming they don't get detected before that). So one of the stategic advantace would be to use superweapons (or other WMDs) especially against poorly defended targets (which generally means civilian targets).

we know that the empire is just looking for an excuse to bring in Death Star or something similar and since even normal SW capships can cause massive damage to planets.

So my question is if for some reason federation (or other AQ power(s)) went to war against the Galactic Republic or the New Republic react to behind cloak superweapons used against them?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2007-12-24 10:53am

The NR will take a little while to grow a pair, but they turn out to be perfectly willing to contemplate species-wide genocidal bioweapon attacks after having a couple worlds destroyed and their capital taken.

With the Old Republic, you'll have to be a little more specific as to time period. But precedent exists for borderline Jedi to take matters into their own hands and take out entire worlds.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-12-24 02:00pm

The limited mobility of warp against the speed of hyperdrive and overwhelming firepower of any Star Wars vessel, as well as the massive industrial disproportion, means that by the time a Trek vessel loaded with a superweapon gets anywhere inside Republic space, the war would probably already be over.

That's if they even get to whatever it is that's theoretically linking the two galaxies together in the first place before the Republics squish them like bugs.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-12-24 02:23pm

that's why I choose the less bloodthirsty Republic (be it old or new) as they're more likely to allow years of limited warfare (as it skirmishes involving few ships only) especially against an opponent as weak as the AQ powers, rather then just steamrolling over them like the empire would.

I mean you're typical trek weapons are about as powerfull as the stuff the republic mounts on their star fighters, so I dout you convince the senate to give you funds and/or equipment for a propper invasion (unless trek power did something stupid like caused massive civilian casualities).

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-12-24 02:36pm

Ghetto edit:as the Galactic Republic was about 25,000 years old when it was reformed into the Empire I've desided to split the OR question into 3 seperate eras

same question as the OP (ignore the fact that this is a very likely scenario)

so how would the Old Republic react during a)post-jedi civil war but rep-Ruusan era b)post Ruusan but pre-PT era b) Clone Wars era.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-12-24 04:41pm

Lord Revan wrote:that's why I choose the less bloodthirsty Republic (be it old or new) as they're more likely to allow years of limited warfare (as it skirmishes involving few ships only) especially against an opponent as weak as the AQ powers, rather then just steamrolling over them like the empire would.

How so? You do know that there's a couple novels (I can't remember their names but I remember Aratech mentioning them) where the Old Republic has no compunction against blowing away a part of a planet that their clone forces are still on.

FA Xerrik · Post by **FA Xerrik** » 2007-12-24 05:34pm

That probably has to do with the widespread opinion of clones as little more than organic droids. The higher-ups in the Republic Army seem to have been drawn from non-clone stock, and so doubtlessly would have little compunction about sacrificing their troops if it meant a strategic victory. Besides, at least in regards to the Clone Wars era Republic, we have a precedent for their response to WMD attacks. The swamp gas used against the Gungans and the clone virus under development on Qiluura come to mind. It seems that the Republic favors commando action to knock out the source of the chemical or biological weapon and deny their enemy further use of the weapon in question. Although whether Obi-Wans actions against the source of swamp gas were official Republic protocol or not is questionable. I guess the earlier Republic responses are less established in canon, but it seems reasonable to suppose Jedi could have filled the role of commando units in those eras.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-12-25 11:42am

General Schatten wrote: How so? You do know that there's a couple novels (I can't remember their names but I remember Aratech mentioning them) where the Old Republic has no compunction against blowing away a part of a planet that their clone forces are still on.

I believe that's Triple Zero. Cestus Deception also has Obi-Wan's forces preparing for a small scale BDZ (with an ARC trooper calling it in, saying pretty much "the enemy is right next door to me, direct your fire directly at my location."). As one might expect, he willingly blew himself to atoms to get teh job done. The book, along with Triple Zero indicates that the high level generals and politicians literally saw the Clones as organic battle droids. Labyrinth of Evil states point blank, that Republic Captains wanted to glass Nuet Gunray's home back to the molten lava ball it had come from, rather than bother with capturing him and Dooku.

For all the touting of the OR as some kind of bastion of peace and restraint, when they wanted to, they could be just as ruthless as the Empire (observe what happened to the Clawdites, and the OR directly being responsible for "bombing the Ubesse homeworld into a radioactive sludgeball" around 4000 BBY).

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-12-25 12:29pm

Aratech wrote:For all the touting of the OR as some kind of bastion of peace and restraint, when they wanted to, they could be just as ruthless as the Empire (observe what happened to the Clawdites,

Err. They were repressed by their parent species for a bit? I know nothing of the Galactic Republic using weapons of mass destruction on Zolan

and the OR directly being responsible for "bombing the Ubesse homeworld into a radioactive sludgeball" around 4000 BBY).

To my knowlede, again, while the Battle of Uba IV caused mass destruction, this was the detonation of Ubese weapons. While the Republic did nothing to save or help them, the Republic only signed off on a tactical strike against Ubese weapons factories. It wasn't their fault the Ubese made weapons that failed on.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-12-25 01:28pm

NecronLord wrote:
Aratech wrote:For all the touting of the OR as some kind of bastion of peace and restraint, when they wanted to, they could be just as ruthless as the Empire (observe what happened to the Clawdites,
Err. They were repressed by their parent species for a bit? I know nothing of the Galactic Republic using weapons of mass destruction on Zolan
Whoops, got a wire crossed there.

and the OR directly being responsible for "bombing the Ubesse homeworld into a radioactive sludgeball" around 4000 BBY).
To my knowlede, again, while the Battle of Uba IV caused mass destruction, this was the detonation of Ubese weapons. While the Republic did nothing to save or help them, the Republic only signed off on a tactical strike against Ubese weapons factories. It wasn't their fault the Ubese made weapons that failed on.

I'm going by KOTOR II on this. One of the Quarren characters mentioned that the republic bombed them in such a manner, citing specifically that the Jedi sat back and did nothing (which is apparently why they hate them so much) or some such.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-12-25 03:20pm

Mmm. According to the 'timeline of SW' type sources, it wasn't deliberate, but the sector authorities tried to cover up the problem.

harbringer · Post by **harbringer** » 2007-12-27 06:15pm

I expect that in order to keep public trust they would find the most expedient method of ending the threat as in the current world that would require immediate action only those capable of fast deployment would be used ie: commandos or small groups with organic transport ready to go. A major fleet might need a week provisioning before setting off and either way would represent in this case a sledge hammer. BDZ would quite easily end the threat but would be considered by more moderate (sympathetic?) members of the senate as immoral.

Either the jedi or the republic are looking to try to find an acceptable solution applied rapidly before the crisis becomes uncontrolled panic.

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-12-27 10:47pm

I feel the need to mention that the Old Republic exterminated the entire Sith species, save for those who fled with Naga Sadow to Yavin, following the Great Hypersapce War of 5000 BBY.

Really, the only state that seems persistently unwilling to respond in kind to superweapons and WMDs is the New Republic, though that may have more to do with PR against the Empire, since many were willing to unleash Alpha Red on the Yuuzhan Vong right after the fall of Coruscant.