Ryan Thunder wrote:Just so you know, your link is broken.
Darth Servo wrote:damn, having trouble with the link. Give me a bit to upload it to photobucket (or you can just click your 'refresh' button. That seems to solve the problem too)
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Ryan Thunder wrote:Just so you know, your link is broken.
Darth Servo wrote:damn, having trouble with the link. Give me a bit to upload it to photobucket (or you can just click your 'refresh' button. That seems to solve the problem too)
Just eyeballing it, it looks like they're in low orbit -- about 800 km up. If the ships are 30 km apart, with 900 km^2/ship (I'm not sure if that's the proper math for this, but I'm tired so it'll do), then the area they cover is 6.5e8 km^2 and the number of ships is a little over 700,000.Darth Servo wrote:Also keep in mind, those numbers are for if the ships are at ground level. Factoring in their orbit (can't really get good numbers for that) makes the figure even higher.
Jesus titty-fucking Christ, did he just redefine racism as any kind of persecution? Who wants to start taking bets he's theistic, that's the only people I've heard that do this.SSFPheonix wrote: that and they B***h about how "trektards are so retarded" and they tend to be racist towards others that don't bend toward their views.
Ironic, as Servo pointed out that he aparently got pissed at Wong for criticizing whie supremacists.General Schatten wrote:Jesus titty-fucking Christ, did he just redefine racism as any kind of persecution? Who wants to start taking bets he's theistic, that's the only people I've heard that do this.SSFPheonix wrote: that and they B***h about how "trektards are so retarded" and they tend to be racist towards others that don't bend toward their views.
I didn't see THAT one. Did phoenix edit his post or something.General Schatten wrote:Jesus titty-fucking Christ, did he just redefine racism as any kind of persecution? Who wants to start taking bets he's theistic, that's the only people I've heard that do this.SSFPheonix wrote: that and they B***h about how "trektards are so retarded" and they tend to be racist towards others that don't bend toward their views.
Must have, because it was there when I posted that. I've found a new reason I dislike that board, it doesn't record edits.Darth Servo wrote:I didn't see THAT one. Did phoenix edit his post or something.General Schatten wrote:Jesus titty-fucking Christ, did he just redefine racism as any kind of persecution? Who wants to start taking bets he's theistic, that's the only people I've heard that do this.SSFPheonix wrote: that and they B***h about how "trektards are so retarded" and they tend to be racist towards others that don't bend toward their views.
Is that a weakness in the software, or did they intentionally modify it? Our software records the time of editing unless you get to it before anyone else responds to the thread.General Schatten wrote:Must have, because it was there when I posted that. I've found a new reason I dislike that board, it doesn't record edits.Darth Servo wrote:I didn't see THAT one. Did phoenix edit his post or something.General Schatten wrote: Jesus titty-fucking Christ, did he just redefine racism as any kind of persecution? Who wants to start taking bets he's theistic, that's the only people I've heard that do this.
Where are the specific examples of this inconsistency? I have yet to see proof of any from you.The ICS, as I have pointed out, are not consistent with the higher canon, nor do their firepower figures bear any relationship to the actual firepower of Star Wars ships.
Please show us how a 200GT turbolaser blast would produce a huge fireball, and how large they would be. I've been curious about this for a while anyway. Does the fact that this is an exotic particle acceleration weapon have any bearing on this?We've seen the successors to the Acclamator battling in the skies of Coruscant; we do not see the giant incandescent fireballs that would be associated with the firepower the ICS claims.
you DROOLING MORON. Has it ever occurred to you that the limitation in a gravity well is purely a navigational/safety one? Of course not. You immediately assume it's a power generation issue. JEEZUS.We see (and, in other EU sources, it is drummed into the ground) hyperdrive that is (although - again according to most EU sources - one of the most power-intensive systems of the ship) not strong enough to go to lightspeed too close to a planet.
I still haven't seen any upper-limit examples from G canon that disprove it. [/quote]The ICS, plainly speaking, do not fit with the rest of the Star Wars material out there.
I want to say it has something to do with comparing these weapons with modern weapons, which, by their very nature as projectile or chemical-explosive weapons, have set yields. You can pretty easily guess the yield of an M1 Abrams' 120mm cannon when it fires an APFSDS shell; nothing the operators can do will change how much energy that kind of weapon emparts.Darth Wong wrote:Why do people assume that if the maximum firepower for a TL is 200 gigatons, then every shot must be 200 gigatons? There are so many unknowns here; for example, does it take a while to charge up for a max-yield shot? That would hardly be out of the question, but nooooo, Trekkies ignore that and every other possibility. They don't look for rational explanations; they look for excuses to dismiss things they don't like.
Many modern nuclear weapons can be dialed to a desired yield. Furthermore, as far as I know, explosions in space don't produce fireballs unless vaporized matter is involved. Is this correct?Peptuck wrote: Of course, this can be completely ignored when one deals with energy weapons or any other weapon which can vary its yield, like turbolasers or phasers. One of the advantages these kinds of weapons can potentially provide is their dial-a-yield nature; after all, Trek phasers can be adjusted to have various yields, why can't other energy or powered weapons do it? Since they draw their weapons' power from an adjustable source instead of raw kinetic or chemical power, its perfectly reasonable.
They produce a fireball, but it would last milliseconds because the only matter for the expanding gas would be the mass of the bomb itself. In an atmospheric detonation, there's a huge and long-lasting fireball as superheated plasma emits hard radiation which heats up the surrounding atmosphere. Most of the traditional nuclear fireball is superheated atmosphere. So the fireball of a space nuclear detonation would probably be over before the next frame of a 30 fps movie, and you wouldn't see shit.PeZook wrote:Many modern nuclear weapons can be dialed to a desired yield. Furthermore, as far as I know, explosions in space don't produce fireballs unless vaporized matter is involved. Is this correct?Peptuck wrote:Of course, this can be completely ignored when one deals with energy weapons or any other weapon which can vary its yield, like turbolasers or phasers. One of the advantages these kinds of weapons can potentially provide is their dial-a-yield nature; after all, Trek phasers can be adjusted to have various yields, why can't other energy or powered weapons do it? Since they draw their weapons' power from an adjustable source instead of raw kinetic or chemical power, its perfectly reasonable.
You forget something: Trek can do anything, SW cannot do anything unless Darkstar and/or Graham Kennedy say that SW can do that thing.Peptuck wrote:Of course, this can be completely ignored when one deals with energy weapons or any other weapon which can vary its yield, like turbolasers or phasers. One of the advantages these kinds of weapons can potentially provide is their dial-a-yield nature; after all, Trek phasers can be adjusted to have various yields, why can't other energy or powered weapons do it? Since they draw their weapons' power from an adjustable source instead of raw kinetic or chemical power, its perfectly reasonable.
How different would energy weapons behave? You certainly have less matter involved, the large, micro-duration fireballs may help explain the flashes seen most vividly while the Tantive IV was being disabled.Darth Wong wrote: They produce a fireball, but it would last milliseconds because the only matter for the expanding gas would be the mass of the bomb itself. In an atmospheric detonation, there's a huge and long-lasting fireball as superheated plasma emits hard radiation which heats up the surrounding atmosphere. Most of the traditional nuclear fireball is superheated atmosphere. So the fireball of a space nuclear detonation would probably be over before the next frame of a 30 fps movie, and you wouldn't see shit.
What do you mean by "energy weapons"? Weren't the flashes shield-turbolaser interactions?Darwin wrote:How different would energy weapons behave? You certainly have less matter involved, the large, micro-duration fireballs may help explain the flashes seen most vividly while the Tantive IV was being disabled.
directed energy weapons, as opposed to explosives. The flashes were, as I recall, full-screen white flashes with a duration of a single frame.Surlethe wrote:What do you mean by "energy weapons"? Weren't the flashes shield-turbolaser interactions?Darwin wrote:How different would energy weapons behave? You certainly have less matter involved, the large, micro-duration fireballs may help explain the flashes seen most vividly while the Tantive IV was being disabled.
Well, yeah. That was why I specified kinetic energy weapons and chemical explosives, for those really can't have their force be altered as easily as nuclear or energy weapons would be.PeZook wrote:Many modern nuclear weapons can be dialed to a desired yield.Peptuck wrote: Of course, this can be completely ignored when one deals with energy weapons or any other weapon which can vary its yield, like turbolasers or phasers. One of the advantages these kinds of weapons can potentially provide is their dial-a-yield nature; after all, Trek phasers can be adjusted to have various yields, why can't other energy or powered weapons do it? Since they draw their weapons' power from an adjustable source instead of raw kinetic or chemical power, its perfectly reasonable.