Life for 'honour killing' father

Jambo · Post by **Jambo** » 2007-07-20 09:25am

A father who ordered the killing of his daughter after finding out she had a boyfriend has been jailed for life.

Banaz Mahmod, 20, was raped and tortured before being strangled and buried in a suitcase in Birmingham.

Her Iraqi Kurd father Mahmod Mahmod, 52, of Mitcham, south London, will serve at least 20 years in jail.

Her uncle Ari Mahmod, 50, who helped arrange her murder, and killer Mohammed Hama, 30, got life terms and will serve at least 23 and 17 years respectively.

Her death had been ordered after her affair with fellow Kurd Rahmat Sulemani was discovered.

This was a barbaric and callous crime
Judge Brian Barker

Banaz asked police for help four times but was not taken seriously. Five police officers face the threat of disciplinary action as a result of the trial.

She even gave officers of list of five people she suspected would harm her and Mr Sulemani, which included the name of Hama, from West Norwood, south London, who pleaded guilty to murder before last month's trial.

Three other men named on the list have fled abroad.

The Common Serjeant of London, Judge Brian Barker, said: "This was a barbaric and callous crime.

Banaz Mahmod Babakir Agha
Banaz was tortured and raped before she was killed

"You are hard and unswerving men to whom apparently the respect from the community is more important that your own flesh and blood."

Mr Sulemani and Banaz's sister Bekhal, 22, made moving statements to the court during which they broke down several times.

They both said they were haunted by nightmares of her death and their lives would never be the same again.

After being taken to hospital following a previous attempt on her life, Mr Sulemani recorded her fears on his mobile phone.

Murder confession

The film was played in court and helped convict her killers.

She disappeared in January last year, and her body was found 100 miles away buried in a garden three months later.

Prosecutor Victor Temple, QC, told the judge during Thursday's pre-sentencing hearing that Hama had confessed to a friend that Banaz's ordeal lasted two hours and she was subjected to rape and other degrading sexual acts.

Banaz was garrotted for five minutes but took half an hour to die as Hama stamped on her neck to "let her soul out".

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2007-07-20 09:30am

I hope they'll loose the key

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2007-07-20 09:32am

Only total isolation will protect society from these inhuman sadists.

Jambo · Post by **Jambo** » 2007-07-20 09:35am

wautd wrote:I hope they'll loose the key

aye down the guys throat so he can choke on it.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-07-20 12:55pm

If he ever gets parole, ever, a monstrous miscarriage of justice will have occurred.

Post by **Edi** » 2007-07-20 03:35pm

I'm sick and tire of Middle Eastern fuckwits coming to the West and then thinking they can transplant their barbaric customs wherever they want. Good riddance to these fuckers.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2007-07-20 04:51pm

What's more disgusting is they apparently RAPED there own relative before killing her over what they view as sexual misconduct.

Hypocrasy, they name is those assholes.

Kojiro · Post by **Kojiro** » 2007-07-21 06:29am

Edi wrote:I'm sick and tire of Middle Eastern fuckwits coming to the West and then thinking they can transplant their barbaric customs wherever they want. Good riddance to these fuckers.

Nonsense Edi, they'd be perfectly tolerant of our ways if we moved over there and behaved as our culture allowst.

How the hell do you weed people like this out of a (decent) society? Why are they even there if they don't want to live by those rules?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-07-21 06:35am

I'm perhaps even more shocked that the police didn't bother responding to this, especially considering:

After being taken to hospital following a previous attempt on her life

They tried to kill her multiple times, she begged for help and the police didn't bother looking into the matter, or help her flee? If this doesn't result in heads figuratively rolling, I'd be very surprised.

As for the killers...if they are serving life, their parole can be blocked by the surviving relatives, right?

the wicked prince · Post by **the wicked prince** » 2007-07-21 03:11pm

I would sentence him to torture and public execution

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-07-21 03:28pm

the wicked prince wrote:I would sentence him to torture and public execution

Because that would make you better than the murderers, right?

TithonusSyndrome · Post by **TithonusSyndrome** » 2007-07-21 04:54pm

Didn't we have a thread some time back about how it was "hypocritical" to be intolerant of intolerance?

I wonder what the author has to say now.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2007-07-21 05:04pm

Solauren wrote:What's more disgusting is they apparently RAPED there own relative before killing her over what they view as sexual misconduct.

Hypocrasy, they name is those assholes.

"You have acted like a slut and a whore, therefore you are to be treated as such!"

That's my guess.

Master of Cards · Post by **Master of Cards** » 2007-07-22 01:08am

the wicked prince wrote:I would sentence him to torture and public execution

Prince could you please not go down the Dennis Toy route? No big man me beat up baddie! is not a good way to +1 yourself its a good way to get you da boot.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-07-22 03:39pm

What was going through their heads when they thought that torturing, raping and then murdering a teenaged daughter would fly in a Western country? And these Middle Eastern and Southern Asian fathers occasionally conduct so-called "honour killings", because they want their daughters to fuck a male relative instead of breeding outside the "clan" so to speak (thus stunting the gene pool and raising retarded blokes who want to kill girls for no real reason

).

Adept · Post by **Adept** » 2007-07-22 05:12pm

Banaz was garrotted for five minutes but took half an hour to die as Hama stamped on her neck to "let her soul out".

This particular part made me sick to my stomach.

It really boggles my mind to imagine a place where brutally destroying the life of a young woman for having normal social relations constitutes preserving honour.

metavac · Post by **metavac** » 2007-07-22 05:28pm

Chalk another one up to a failure in immigration policy.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2007-07-22 06:17pm

Where's Albert Pierrepoint when the British need him most?

the wicked prince · Post by **the wicked prince** » 2007-07-22 07:36pm

Master of Cards wrote:
the wicked prince wrote:I would sentence him to torture and public execution
Prince could you please not go down the Dennis Toy route? No big man me beat up baddie! is not a good way to +1 yourself its a good way to get you da boot.

How bout you mind your own business instead of playing moderator

Run along now, little boy

the wicked prince · Post by **the wicked prince** » 2007-07-22 07:36pm

Bounty wrote:
the wicked prince wrote:I would sentence him to torture and public execution
Because that would make you better than the murderers, right?

It is not about being a better person, it is about justice served. And discouraging future crime

the wicked prince · Post by **the wicked prince** » 2007-07-22 07:37pm

^ But mostly about justice served

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-07-22 07:48pm

the wicked prince wrote:
Bounty wrote:
the wicked prince wrote:I would sentence him to torture and public execution
Because that would make you better than the murderers, right?
It is not about being a better person, it is about justice served. And discouraging future crime

Capital punishment doesn't work so well towards discouraging future crime and tends to be generally more expensive in the long run, according to virtually every statistic published. Also, the tough-guy routine bullshit is really really fucking old.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2007-07-22 08:07pm

the wicked prince wrote:
Bounty wrote:
the wicked prince wrote:I would sentence him to torture and public execution
Because that would make you better than the murderers, right?
It is not about being a better person, it is about justice served. And discouraging future crime

If you wanted to do that, then just toss him into a concrete cell where he'll rot for the rest of his life. Cheaper and it gives them plenty of time to think over what they've done, since they'll literally have nothing else to do.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-07-23 12:08am

Matt Huang wrote:
the wicked prince wrote:
Bounty wrote: Because that would make you better than the murderers, right?
It is not about being a better person, it is about justice served. And discouraging future crime
If you wanted to do that, then just toss him into a concrete cell where he'll rot for the rest of his life. Cheaper and it gives them plenty of time to think over what they've done, since they'll literally have nothing else to do.

If you're going for justice served, just kill him, painlessly if possible. Less uncertainty over his eventual fate (what if some politician 20 years down the line decides to parole or, worse, pardon him?) and less overall cost.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2007-07-23 12:37am

Molyneux wrote:
Matt Huang wrote:If you wanted to do that, then just toss him into a concrete cell where he'll rot for the rest of his life. Cheaper and it gives them plenty of time to think over what they've done, since they'll literally have nothing else to do.
If you're going for justice served, just kill him, painlessly if possible. Less uncertainty over his eventual fate (what if some politician 20 years down the line decides to parole or, worse, pardon him?) and less overall cost.

I'm looking at this more from a deterrent point of view. Executions get huge amounts of publicity and fierce debate, but a religious nutjob is probably quite likely to believe that he'll be rewarded in heaven for his actions. Give him the prospect of spending the remainder of his natural life instead, and you have avoided the ire of the people who say that the death penalty is unfair/cruel/morally wrong etc. (and will try to turn the thing into a circus); denied the zealot his believed shot at paradise; and sent a message that if you commit a crime, we'll still take your life away from you, it just won't be as quick or painless as you thought it would be.