'Godzilla: Final Wars' Xilians vs 'Independence Day' Grays

[Sidewinder]

Inspired by the recent AMC broadcast of 'Independence Day', which reminded me of scenes Kitamura Ryuhei ripped off for 'Final Wars'.

The Gray come to annihilate humanity so they can strip Earth of any and all useful resources. The Xilians, needing to drain mitochondria from humans to survive, intervene to save their "cattle."

Human military units will not intervene in this battle, with the notable exception of mutants under Xilian control. (Let's just say it occurs after X stages his coup and destroys human civilization, but before the Gotengo frees Godzilla from his arctic prison.) Who wins?

[Lord Relvenous]

I for one have not seen Godzilla: Final Wars so I know I'm entering this one at a significant disadvantage, but could I get some basic capabilities for the Xillians?

[Crossroads Inc.]

I for one have not seen Godzilla: Final Wars so I know I'm entering this one at a significant disadvantage, but could I get some basic capabilities for the Xillians?

They are really... really dumb So... a good match for the ID4 Aliens

[Stark]

I don't remember anything the X-ians could use to penetrate the ID4's shields or destroy their motherships. Giant crabs are no good against spaceships.

[Shroom Man 777]

True, but they had to be defeated by all sorts of weirdo Japanese obscenities, including mutant Preston-Neo ripoffs and flying drill-armed submarines captained by Josef Stalin, and Godzilla. Whereas ID4 got pwned by a Mac laptop.

[Stark]

They didn't count on two things - Godzilla, and Colonel Gordon?

I guess they could drop monsters on the back of a ship and tear through it? At least some of them can fly or fire deadly nuclear beams.

[Shroom Man 777]

Yup. And the ID4 aliens don't have Godzilla or fucking Stalin in a flying drill-sub, so there's no way they can beat the Xilians. No fucking way.

[Anguirus]

Since Godzilla (who is absurdly powerful in this film) isn't in the fight, I have to go with the ID4 aliens, who are inefficient but can really blow things up good.

[Yuri2356]

flying drill-armed submarines captained by Josef Stalin.

My god... It's full of stars...

[Lord Relvenous]

flying drill-armed submarines captained by Josef Stalin

Doesn't it have to be under water to be a submarine? <perplexed>

Now correct me if I'm wrong but shields that can withstand nuclear explosions trump submarines, even acepting Joseph Stalin. I go ID4 aliens

[ray245]

Didn't the sub got shot by Godzilla himself? That must mean the sub must be more powerful than the ID4 aliens.

ARE you Questioning the might of godzilla himself?

[Anguirus]

Actually, Relvenous, despite his ignorance of the awesomeness that is the flying submarine Gotengo, raises an excellent point. Godzilla can't just blast the city destroyers out of the sky, that's out of even his league.

However, he would absolutely slaughter the fighters. Also, the piddly little popguns that the city destroyers pack as perimeter weapons wouldn't do shit to Godzilla, and either would their big beams unless it was a direct hit. And if they tried to score one of those, Godzilla would just blast the bowels of the ship and obliterate it.

Essentially, if Godzilla's active and on the ground in this scenario he stalemates the aliens, who then go and find another planet to burn. Humanity then spends the next several years trying to bury Godzilla in ice again.

[Lord Relvenous]

Unfortunately for your theory, it is not Godzilla the ID4 aliens are fighting. It is Xillians. Can the Xillians blast out the bowels of the ship or withstand perimeter fire? (real question)

[Anguirus]

As I said above, no. The Xilians are just as dumb as the ID4 aliens but with far less firepower.

Although now I'm pondering. The only thing that tips the balance in their favor is access to Monster X. If they can hold out for about a day they can bring Monster X into the fray, who is functionally equivalent to Godzilla in retardedly strong ass-kicking skills.

So yeah, this is either a mismatch or a stalemate. (Though it would be wildly entertaining to see mutants dispatching ID4-alien ground troops, there are fartoo few of them to make any sort of difference.)

[Darth Wong]

It is worth noting that the fighter weapons of both races appear to be similar in firepower (the Xillians might even have the advantage), so the only real firepower advantage of the ID4 aliens is their main saucer weapon. The Xillian sphere also has shields, but of unknown strength. We know they could shrug off a blast from Gotengo, but that doesn't tell us much.

Mind you, the Xillians have the ability to teleport objects massing 50,000 tons or more, given the fact that they can easily teleport Japanese giant monsters. Maybe they can find a use for that ability, especially if it works through the ID4 saucer shields.

[SylasGaunt]

That's workable, since basically all the Xillians would seem to require to render it a stalemale is to not let an ID4 saucer settle slooooooooowly over them.

The teleport is a good idea though, kinda like the asgard go elsewhere beam so just start ripping chunks off the saucer until it falls down.

[Shroom Man 777]

Now, seriously, the Xilians only have a giant spaceship the size of a city destroyer. The ID4s have SHITLOADS of giant spaceships the size of a city destroyer (because they ARE city destroyers).

But I think the Xilians have an advantage in mobility. I mean, the Japanese guys didn't even see the ship until it was directly over them. Whereas the ID4 ships lumber around and cause crazy atmospheric phenomena.

[Lusankya]

Would Mothra decide to take part in the fight as well? Mothra might decide that the ID4 aliens are a greater threat to humanity than the Xillians, because at least the Xillians will keep humanity alive so they can vampirise them (or whatever it was they wanted them for). On the other hand, Mothra might simply decide to kill the side with Kaiju, because that's what kaiju do.

Of course, it's debatable what Mothra could do, but there's a chance that she could reflect the aliens' city destroyer beam back at them. That would be fun.

[Lord Relvenous]

Would Mothra decide to take part in the fight as well? Mothra might decide that the ID4 aliens are a greater threat to humanity than the Xillians, because at least the Xillians will keep humanity alive so they can vampirise them (or whatever it was they wanted them for). On the other hand, Mothra might simply decide to kill the side with Kaiju, because that's what kaiju do.

Of course, it's debatable what Mothra could do, but there's a chance that she could reflect the aliens' city destroyer beam back at them. That would be fun.

As I understood it, this is solely Xillinas vs ID4 aliens, not Godzilla-verse against ID4, so no, Mothra would not factor.

[TithonusSyndrome]

Who's leading the Xilians? Wise Old Baldy or Hotheaded Young Kid? If it's the former, I might see him having the military acumen to exploit the same computer flaw the ID4's had after enough confrontation and bring them down the same way that the USAF did. If it's the latter, the only way I can really see him prevailing is by teleporting himself and his minions into the HQ of the ID4 leadership and holding them hostage or pummelling them outright into pulp.

[Hitch Hiker]

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'which reminded me of scenes Kitamura Ryuhei ripped off for 'Final Wars'. '



One thing I've been annoyed about is people saying they ripped off ideas to put into Godzilla final wars, perhaps its more a case of seeing an idea that looks good and borrowing the technique or paying tribute to it. Primarily the slowed down fight towards the climax of the film which is a rip off of The Matrix It would be a rip off if the fight wasn't between two god like aliens, but two people in a computer generated scenario. I suppose the idea of The Matrix is a rip off as well then, as Doctor Who first introduced the idea of a computer simulated world called the Matrix[/quote]

[Anguirus]

Mind you, the Xillians have the ability to teleport objects massing 50,000 tons or more, given the fact that they can easily teleport Japanese giant monsters. Maybe they can find a use for that ability, especially if it works through the ID4 saucer shields.

They only teleport themselves and their monsters...in other words, creatures with "M bases." If they could teleport anything to anywhere, Godzilla himself would not have been a threat to them.

Though if they can beam their troops and giant monsters into city destroyers, that's a pretty devastating. Again, my primary concern is that they are so badly outnumbered. But considering that, I certainly think they can hold out until Monster X shows up. With all the ground and air forces of the ID4 guys tied up by X, the Xilians can attack the mothership with their own vessel, any remaining fighters, and if possible, by teleporting their monsters into the mothership. I am starting to lean towards the Xilians now, if only because the ID4 aliens don't seem to have any practical way of delivering their firepower.

[Sidewinder]

Who's leading the Xilians? Wise Old Baldy or Hotheaded Young Kid? If it's the former, I might see him having the military acumen to exploit the same computer flaw the ID4's had after enough confrontation and bring them down the same way that the USAF did. If it's the latter, the only way I can really see him prevailing is by teleporting himself and his minions into the HQ of the ID4 leadership and holding them hostage or pummelling them outright into pulp.

"X" is the name that Hotheaded Young Kid gave himself, and the OP states X is in command. Of course, X is a Keizer, so if he gets aboard the Gray mothership, the Grays are TOAST. (Massed pistol fire-- wimpy 9 mm Parabellum-- kill a Gray in 'Independence Day'. X and the mutants would have no problem with something that soft.)

[Stark]

Beam the MDF into the ID4 ships armed with 9s and motorcycles. The aliens won't stand a chance.

[Aaron2]

The Xillians also have Gigan. And since the ID4 alien's weapon only fire in one direction (down), its not going to do much to a flying monster with chainsaw hands. Xillians win.