Interesting interpretation of Cylon uber-hacking skills

[Arrow]

And how, exactly, does a Cylon get outside the ship with the antenna and various equipment to mount it to the hull and run a power line to power it?

They don't need to go outside, they to be inside, next a thin piece of hullplating, something that won't attenuate the signal too much.

[/quote]Furthermore, what happens when the ship isn't pointing in the right direction to broadcast? Besides, lasers are worthless for transporting over interstellar distances due to light lag and the fact that they'd have to be bloody powerful lasers. Besides, if they were within transmission range for conventional radio, then the Colonials have bigger problems than secret signals from within the fleet.[/quote]

I was thinking more along the lines when D'Anna used two raiders to get out her signal. The Cylons would have a pre-arranged "be in this vecter +/- x degrees relative to Galactic" system, so they could pick up the signal.

[Gil Hamilton]

They don't need to go outside, they to be inside, next a thin piece of hullplating, something that won't attenuate the signal too much.

You assume that the Cylons have a damn lot of access to the Galactica and can just walk around freely carrying major broadcast equipment without anyone noticing. Furthermore, it isn't like the hull is transparant, which eliminates any sort of beamed broadcast.

I was thinking more along the lines when D'Anna used two raiders to get out her signal. The Cylons would have a pre-arranged "be in this vecter +/- x degrees relative to Galactic" system, so they could pick up the signal.

Which is a non-trivial very complicated bit of arrangement and requires them to pre-plan significantly; something that is a very large problem since communication is what they are trying to establish. Besides, chances are D'anna doesn't even know where the Galactica is exactly, since after all, I doubt Adama is posting the itinerary of the Fleet. Without their precise location, how can a point to point communication work?

[Crown]

They don't need to go outside, they to be inside, next a thin piece of hullplating, something that won't attenuate the signal too much.

You assume that the Cylons have a damn lot of access to the Galactica and can just walk around freely carrying major broadcast equipment without anyone noticing. Furthermore, it isn't like the hull is transparant, which eliminates any sort of beamed broadcast.

Why not? It was slated for de-commisioning, the entire starboard flight pod is a museum/giftshop ... known Cylon agents had free roam of the Galactica prior to the outbreak of war, and one even managed to get off the ship after her cover was blown, so really it isn't impossible, or even imporbable.

[Gil Hamilton]

Why not? It was slated for de-commisioning, the entire starboard flight pod is a museum/giftshop ... known Cylon agents had free roam of the Galactica prior to the outbreak of war, and one even managed to get off the ship after her cover was blown, so really it isn't impossible, or even imporbable.

So you are honestly saying that security, given how paranoid they are, is so lax that a Cylon could wander around with large amounts of broadcasting equipment, set it up themselves in secret, plug it in, and no one ever finds it or detects it when it broadcasts?

Besides, do we even know that Cylon's did have free roam over the Galactica? The starboard flight pod was slated to be a museum/giftshop, but it wasn't yet. The miniseries happened just prior to the decommisionning ceremony, it wasn't yet retired. Or is this like StarTrek where anyone can breeze out of their tour group with a huge freaking radio and waltz into the still militarized part of the ship, no one asking why they are carrying that antenna and generator around and what the hell they are doing away from the tour groups, no checkpoints where they have to provide clearance in order to get through with said equipment. Better yet, why not have them crawl through Jefferies Tubes, steal the radio from the Galactica's stores and a spacesuit, and bolt it to the hull themselves?

[StarshipTitanic]

So you are honestly saying that security, given how paranoid they are, is so lax that a Cylon could wander around with large amounts of broadcasting equipment, set it up themselves in secret, plug it in, and no one ever finds it or detects it when it broadcasts?

Besides, do we even know that Cylon's did have free roam over the Galactica? The starboard flight pod was slated to be a museum/giftshop, but it wasn't yet. The miniseries happened just prior to the decommisionning ceremony, it wasn't yet retired. Or is this like StarTrek where anyone can breeze out of their tour group with a huge freaking radio and waltz into the still militarized part of the ship, no one asking why they are carrying that antenna and generator around and what the hell they are doing away from the tour groups, no checkpoints where they have to provide clearance in order to get through with said equipment. Better yet, why not have them crawl through Jefferies Tubes, steal the radio from the Galactica's stores and a spacesuit, and bolt it to the hull themselves?

In the miniseries, Doral was running tours around the bridge before the ship was officially decommissioned. He was also likely responsible for the Cylon device installed in the bridge central column thing. Another Doral snuck aboard in "Litmus" as a suicide bomber. A copy of Six came aboard and then vanished in "Epiphanies." The marines escorting her said she turned a corner and disappeared.

[Arrow]

You assume that the Cylons have a damn lot of access to the Galactica and can just walk around freely carrying major broadcast equipment without anyone noticing. Furthermore, it isn't like the hull is transparant, which eliminates any sort of beamed broadcast.

You're making two big assumptions. First is that the broad cast equipment is big. At work, we have a tuner which fits in my back pocket. We have a spiral antenna that fits in my coat pocket. We have an amp and a power supply that fit in my lunch box. This stuff is all rated for 2GHz to 18GHz. These parts by themselves fit a brief case (or a tool box, or a duffle bag), and you could easily fit a computer board with a D/A on it in that case as well. And this is assuming they're using RF. With higher frequencies you can use smaller equipment, as a general rule of thumb.

Second, you're assuming that since you can't see through the hull, nothing can see through the hull. That is false. It all depends on the EM frequency, and materials respond to various frequencies differently. Their will be some attenuation, which is why you'd want to be near a window or thin hull plating, such as the forward section of the ship, behind the main forward batteries, where the windows are. That's probably crew living space, and should be accessible to everyone.

Which is a non-trivial very complicated bit of arrangement and requires them to pre-plan significantly; something that is a very large problem since communication is what they are trying to establish. Besides, chances are D'anna doesn't even know where the Galactica is exactly, since after all, I doubt Adama is posting the itinerary of the Fleet. Without their precise location, how can a point to point communication work?

The Cylons appear to already know where Galactic is, because they sent raiders for her to get the message out. For a military operation, its not overly complicated. Again, the Cylons may have some FTL locator beacon in the Fleet already; the Olympic Carrier incident suggests it possible. Now, this doesn't jive with them losing the Cylons in the nebula at the end of S2, unless the nebula is interfering with that beacon.

[His Divine Shadow]

...But when the computers were all linked together in scattered' without any real protection (I call BS on Gaeta desinging and programing a REAL firewall in a couple of hours no problems)...

Well you know Gaeta is a Cylon so it makes sense

[Ender]

And how, exactly, does a Cylon get outside the ship with the antenna and various equipment to mount it to the hull and run a power line to power it?

They don't need to go outside, they to be inside, next a thin piece of hullplating, something that won't attenuate the signal too much.

The shielding is strong enough not only to protect the crew during long deeppspace voyages, but to protect against numerous multi kiloton - multi megaton nuclear detonations against the hull.

Your signal is NOT getting through from the inside.

[Ender]

Second, you're assuming that since you can't see through the hull, nothing can see through the hull. That is false. It all depends on the EM frequency, and materials respond to various frequencies differently. Their will be some attenuation, which is why you'd want to be near a window or thin hull plating, such as the forward section of the ship, behind the main forward batteries, where the windows are. That's probably crew living space, and should be accessible to everyone.

I could go on a long rant here, but frankly I don't need to say anything more them that you are a fucking idiot.

This is pretty damn simple: Low energy photons are absorbed more readily then high energy ones. Radio is low energy. Gamma is extremely high energy. The hull blocks kilotons worth of gammas without thinking twice.

Try and press your luck here. Attempt to bullshit me on this. I fucking dare you.

[Arrow]

The shielding is strong enough not only to protect the crew during long deeppspace voyages, but to protect against numerous multi kiloton - multi megaton nuclear detonations against the hull.

Your signal is NOT getting through from the inside.

I could go on a long rant here, but frankly I don't need to say anything more them that you are a fucking idiot.

This is pretty damn simple: Low energy photons are absorbed more readily then high energy ones. Radio is low energy. Gamma is extremely high energy. The hull blocks kilotons worth of gammas without thinking twice.

Try and press your luck here. Attempt to bullshit me on this. I fucking dare you.

The nuke hit the flight pod, not the windowed section. The flight pod is above and behind the windows, and the nuke hit near the "Galactic" lettering on the flight pod, IIRC. Here's the ship's profile and here is a view showing the windows glowing.

It looks pretty clear the flight pod shielded the windowed section from the blast. We don't know what windowed section is capable of blocking. We don't even know if its the same hull material, and since the Galactic always presents its top side to hostile fire, it may well be comparitive flimsy material, and it may well only block background radiation and the ocassional high energy particle. I said in my first post in this thread that this is a plausible way to get a signal out, and no, I don't have enough evidence to prove it. However, what I've seen so far doesn't rule it out. If I've forgotten something, show me.

[Ender]

The shielding is strong enough not only to protect the crew during long deeppspace voyages, but to protect against numerous multi kiloton - multi megaton nuclear detonations against the hull.

Your signal is NOT getting through from the inside.

I could go on a long rant here, but frankly I don't need to say anything more them that you are a fucking idiot.

This is pretty damn simple: Low energy photons are absorbed more readily then high energy ones. Radio is low energy. Gamma is extremely high energy. The hull blocks kilotons worth of gammas without thinking twice.

Try and press your luck here. Attempt to bullshit me on this. I fucking dare you.

The nuke hit the flight pod, not the windowed section. The flight pod is above and behind the windows, and the nuke hit near the "Galactic" lettering on the flight pod, IIRC. Here's the ship's profile and here is a view showing the windows glowing.

The starboard flight pod is the one that was converted. That is the port one.

Moron.

It looks pretty clear the flight pod shielded the windowed section from the blast. We don't know what windowed section is capable of blocking.

At a bare minimum, it has to be capable of blocking high energy gammas to protect the tourists.

We don't even know if its the same hull material, and since the Galactic always presents its top side to hostile fire,

Utter fucking bullshit, we've seen them fight in a number of positions. Including headon with the flightpods out.

it may well be comparitive flimsy material, and it may well only block background radiation and the ocassional high energy particle.

So you are trying to play down the fact that in might be capable of stopping the occasional cosmic ray, but insist it isn't going to stop a radio wave. Don't try and pass this bullshit off while I'm around you snot.

I said in my first post in this thread that this is a plausible way to get a signal out, and no, I don't have enough evidence to prove it. However, what I've seen so far doesn't rule it out.

Yes, if you refuse to listen I can see how you wouldn't hear that you are wrong.

If I've forgotten something, show me.

You've forgotten:

1) That we've seen battlestars take direct hits to the flightpod, showing they are strong enough to block it
2) That flight pods are open to vacuum (only the Galactica has the conversion done, the rest of the fleet lacks that because they are warships)
3) How to read. As I pointed out, radio waves are low energy, gammas high energy. Those windows have to be suficient shielding to keep out the gammas so that the museum patron don't get a significant dose. Which means radio isn't getting through.

[Arrow]

The starboard flight pod is the one that was converted. That is the port one.

Moron.

Watch the mini again, it was clearly the port flight pod that was hit by the nuke. I'm talking about the windows on the bow section of the ship on the port side (the yellow glowing spots), not the windows in the starboard flight pod. Understand my argument before insulting me.

At a bare minimum, it has to be capable of blocking high energy gammas to protect the tourists.

And yet, the windows let visible light through, which has lower frequency than gamma rays, and radio waves have a lower frequency than light waves. So if the material blocks gamma, but doesn't block visible light, then you can't say it automatically blocks radio.

Utter fucking bullshit, we've seen them fight in a number of positions. Including headon with the flightpods out.

The section I'm referring to (bow, port (and starboard by extension), below the forward guns in the second image) hasn't be exposed to fire, that I can recall. It may have been exposed to fire in Resurrection Ship pt. 2, but the DVDs aren't out yet for us to look at them.

So you are trying to play down the fact that in might be capable of stopping the occasional cosmic ray, but insist it isn't going to stop a radio wave. Don't try and pass this bullshit off while I'm around you snot.

Ok, another example: Radomes. Radomes are completely opaque to light, but are transparent to radio waves, which are at a much lower frequency.

Lets also look at the F-117. Its basically flying Radar absorbing material, and that material works quite well against high frequency radars, but they suck against low frequency (Link). The frequency/energy difference between high-freq and low-freq radars is small compared to the frequency/energy difference between gamma-rays and radio/microwaves.

Yes, if you refuse to listen I can see how you wouldn't hear that you are wrong.

I'll listen when your not spouting simplistic bullshit, misinterepting my arguments and insulting me like some punk.

You've forgotten:

1) That we've seen battlestars take direct hits to the flightpod, showing they are strong enough to block it
2) That flight pods are open to vacuum (only the Galactica has the conversion done, the rest of the fleet lacks that because they are warships)
3) How to read. As I pointed out, radio waves are low energy, gammas high energy. Those windows have to be suficient shielding to keep out the gammas so that the museum patron don't get a significant dose. Which means radio isn't getting through.

The first two aren't part of my argument, because again I wasn't referring to the pods themselves, but the areas infront of them - the recess in the ship's bow. As for the third, I've shown with two real world examples, one of which you can see for your self by walking in the hanger deck the carrier you serve on (you're still on a carrier, right?) and examining the noise cone of an F/A-18, that demostrate that just because a material blocks high frequency radiation, doesn't mean it blocks low frequency radiation.[/url]

[Arrow]

I'm going to concede the hull plating, now that I've thought about it some more. If its dense enough to stop a nuke, then even a thin piece of it should block out anything thats lower frequency. So Ender's definitly right about that. The windows are still up for debate.

[Ender]

Watch the mini again, it was clearly the port flight pod that was hit by the nuke.

Yes, and its the starboard one that has the windows.

I'm talking about the windows on the bow section of the ship on the port side (the yellow glowing spots), not the windows in the starboard flight pod. Understand my argument before insulting me.

What, the fucking floodlights? You thought those were windows? Exactly how fucking big do you think the people are that those are windows? Jesus you are stupid.

And yet, the windows let visible light through, which has lower frequency than gamma rays, and radio waves have a lower frequency than light waves. So if the material blocks gamma, but doesn't block visible light, then you can't say it automatically blocks radio.

You make a window opaque to gammas by impregnating it with lead. Try getting a radiowave to penetrate a metallic material. Only way that happens is using high enough intensity to punch through or diffraction, whihc is irlevent here.

The section I'm referring to (bow, port (and starboard by extension), below the forward guns in the second image) hasn't be exposed to fire, that I can recall. It may have been exposed to fire in Resurrection Ship pt. 2, but the DVDs aren't out yet for us to look at them.

Directly exposed to fire in The Captain's Hand. He charged the Basestar head on, remember?

Ok, another example: Radomes. Radomes are completely opaque to light, but are transparent to radio waves, which are at a much lower frequency.

Lets also look at the F-117. Its basically flying Radar absorbing material, and that material works quite well against high frequency radars, but they suck against low frequency (Link). The frequency/energy difference between high-freq and low-freq radars is small compared to the frequency/energy difference between gamma-rays and radio/microwaves.

Jesus double rusty fishooking Buddah while Muhammad tosses his salad and the Flying Spaghetti Monster watches. Are you truly this stupid to keep going? Those cones aren't made of metal. They are carbon. Carbon will stop visible light, but is pretty fucking useless agaisnt gammas and radiowaves. So it won't be used as a shielding material. So again, any material they are going to use to stop gammas can also stop radio waves. And low frequency radar is useful due to its greater diffraction, which is completely irrelevent here.

Christ.

I'll listen when your not spouting simplistic bullshit, misinterepting my arguments and insulting me like some punk.

I kept it simple because it is blatently clear you can't keep up. You thought that diffraction was relevent to the discussion for FSM's sake. I would have rather hoped the sheer fact that I demonstrate I know what I am doing day in and day out would not make me have to get into that much detail, because I really do have better things to do then cover why the bond and identy of metals will stop both radio and gammas but can be configured to be transparent to visible light. And I insult you like you are some punk because, get this: You are some shitheaded punk. Tell me, would you try to tell Mike he doesn't know shit about engineering? Then why are you trying this with me and radiation?

The first two aren't part of my argument, because again I wasn't referring to the pods themselves, but the areas infront of them - the recess in the ship's bow.

Yes, places that don't exist because you thought floodlights were windows.

As for the third, I've shown with two real world examples, one of which you can see for your self by walking in the hanger deck the carrier you serve on (you're still on a carrier, right?) and examining the noise cone of an F/A-18, that demostrate that just because a material blocks high frequency radiation, doesn't mean it blocks low frequency radiation.

And I can go right down to the reactor compartment and see exactly what I am talking about. Or the Technical Library and read the same in books. Or Nucleonics and play around with the same.

[Gil Hamilton]

You're making two big assumptions. First is that the broad cast equipment is big. At work, we have a tuner which fits in my back pocket. We have a spiral antenna that fits in my coat pocket. We have an amp and a power supply that fit in my lunch box. This stuff is all rated for 2GHz to 18GHz. These parts by themselves fit a brief case (or a tool box, or a duffle bag), and you could easily fit a computer board with a D/A on it in that case as well. And this is assuming they're using RF. With higher frequencies you can use smaller equipment, as a general rule of thumb.

I'm willing to bet your radio set there isn't detectable over significant (large interplanetary distances or interstellar) distances without something like a NASA radio telescope listening for it. Is it?

Second, you're assuming that since you can't see through the hull, nothing can see through the hull. That is false. It all depends on the EM frequency, and materials respond to various frequencies differently. Their will be some attenuation, which is why you'd want to be near a window or thin hull plating, such as the forward section of the ship, behind the main forward batteries, where the windows are. That's probably crew living space, and should be accessible to everyone.

Ender covered that better than I could, so refer to that with a tip of the hat to him.

The Cylons appear to already know where Galactic is, because they sent raiders for her to get the message out. For a military operation, its not overly complicated. Again, the Cylons may have some FTL locator beacon in the Fleet already; the Olympic Carrier incident suggests it possible. Now, this doesn't jive with them losing the Cylons in the nebula at the end of S2, unless the nebula is interfering with that beacon.

Yes it is. If you are attempting point to point communications, both parties need to know where the other one is ahead of time unless they search for a broadcasting signal. That's pretty damn complicated if you are trying to talk in the first place.

Secondly, the nebula was just that. A nebula. In other words, basically hard vacuum. Note that the Cylons managed to detect the miniscule amount of radiation that was emitted from the nuclear blast that Gina set off. Why would it interfere with the beacon? This isn't StarTrek, you know.

[Ender]

Secondly, the nebula was just that. A nebula. In other words, basically hard vacuum. Note that the Cylons managed to detect the miniscule amount of radiation that was emitted from the nuclear blast that Gina set off. Why would it interfere with the beacon? This isn't StarTrek, you know.

I'll grant him that one myself. If there are some protostars or other stellar objects in it its possible thier radio signals could drown out a weaker one. However, since we have ruled out most was for them to send one...

[StarshipTitanic]

Some nitpicks.

What, the fucking floodlights? You thought those were windows? Exactly how fucking big do you think the people are that those are windows? Jesus you are stupid.

If you're talking about the lights in the "mouth" of the Galactica's bow (between the upper and lower ribbed sections of hull), those look a lot like windows. Look at the forward view he provided. Each of those holes is smaller than the gunner pod of the big guns.

Directly exposed to fire in The Captain's Hand. He charged the Basestar head on, remember?

That was the Pegasus, remember?

I don't see any of the small windows in this shot. If there are any in that smaller gap, they'd still be more protected than the ones on the Galactica.

[Arrow]

First off Ender, use someone else as your fucking chewtoy. Gil's had no problem poking holes in my arguments while still being civil.

What, the fucking floodlights? You thought those were windows? Exactly how fucking big do you think the people are that those are windows? Jesus you are stupid.

StarshipTitanic didn't have any problem locating what I'm talking about. Bow section, narrowest part (the square section with the four horizontal ribs), with the roughly 27 dim yellow lights visible in the shadow from the lower part of the bow hull.

You make a window opaque to gammas by impregnating it with lead. Try getting a radiowave to penetrate a metallic material. Only way that happens is using high enough intensity to punch through or diffraction, whihc is irlevent here.

Ok, I'll concede that point then. I didn't know you could do that. BTW, does one have a good resource for online absorption spectrum graphs for various elements and compounds? I went looking for lead yesterday, and only found members-only sites.

I kept it simple because it is blatently clear you can't keep up. You thought that diffraction was relevent to the discussion for FSM's sake. I would have rather hoped the sheer fact that I demonstrate I know what I am doing day in and day out would not make me have to get into that much detail, because I really do have better things to do then cover why the bond and identy of metals will stop both radio and gammas but can be configured to be transparent to visible light. And I insult you like you are some punk because, get this: You are some shitheaded punk. Tell me, would you try to tell Mike he doesn't know shit about engineering? Then why are you trying this with me and radiation?

No, I'm not an RF engine or a physicist. I just create the code to run RF systems and process data from them. I don't understand everything this is to know about how materials interact with radiation, I only know what I've picked up from work. The only thing I had was examples of materials that block some energies and not others, which I thought would be relevant. I don't know your background, all I know about you is that you serve on a carrier. So I'm suppose to just automatically know you know your shit from those first posts? And the fact that you're an expert gives you automatic license to come out flaming? I have no problem being wrong, I do have a problem with your attitude. Yeah, this is SDN, but even the noobs get a few posts in before they're insulted.

I'm willing to bet your radio set there isn't detectable over significant (large interplanetary distances or interstellar) distances without something like a NASA radio telescope listening for it. Is it?

No, its not. The Cylons would have to have some relay nearby (like a flight of raiders).

Secondly, the nebula was just that. A nebula. In other words, basically hard vacuum. Note that the Cylons managed to detect the miniscule amount of radiation that was emitted from the nuclear blast that Gina set off. Why would it interfere with the beacon? This isn't StarTrek, you know.

I was supposing an FTL beacon exists. Such a thing would be very different than any EM signal. If there was an FTL beacon, then it would have stop working in the nebula, because it took a nuke explosion for the Cylons to find the Colonials again. I'm just tossing stuff out to see if it floats, given what we've seen. So far my ideas have sunk, and I'm all out of 'em.

[Crown]

And how, exactly, does a Cylon get outside the ship with the antenna and various equipment to mount it to the hull and run a power line to power it?

They don't need to go outside, they to be inside, next a thin piece of hullplating, something that won't attenuate the signal too much.

The shielding is strong enough not only to protect the crew during long deeppspace voyages, but to protect against numerous multi kiloton - multi megaton nuclear detonations against the hull.

Your signal is NOT getting through from the inside.

Care to explain how palm sized C4 blew out the 'super-impregnable-hull' then in 'Water'

[Crazedwraith]

Care to explain how palm sized C4 blew out the 'super-impregnable-hull' then in 'Water'

According to Baltar in a deleted scene, there were something like 5 C4 charges in the water tank which when they blew created multiple shock waves that joined together becuase water doesn't compress and then blew out the sides of the tanks. He says the C4 alone wouldn't be sufficient.

I'm not sure whether the sceince of that is correct though.

[Crown]

Care to explain how palm sized C4 blew out the 'super-impregnable-hull' then in 'Water'

According to Baltar in a deleted scene, there were something like 5 C4 charges in the water tank which when they blew created multiple shock waves that joined together becuase water doesn't compress and then blew out the sides of the tanks. He says the C4 alone wouldn't be sufficient.

I'm not sure whether the sceince of that is correct though.

5 small C4 =! multi megaton yields. Period.

Not even with Stargate handwavium naquadah would you get those results.

[Crown]

Why not? It was slated for de-commisioning, the entire starboard flight pod is a museum/giftshop ... known Cylon agents had free roam of the Galactica prior to the outbreak of war, and one even managed to get off the ship after her cover was blown, so really it isn't impossible, or even imporbable.

So you are honestly saying that security, given how paranoid they are, is so lax that a Cylon could wander around with large amounts of broadcasting equipment, set it up themselves in secret, plug it in, and no one ever finds it or detects it when it broadcasts?

Don't be retarted. They already did it!

1. 'The Mini Series Pt 2' a Cylon transponder is already fucking planted in the Control Room.
2. In 'Kobol's Last Gleaming Pt 1' we learn that the Cylon transponder is a self contained transmition device that is designed to be identifiable.
3. In 'Litmus' (?) and 'Six Degrees of Separation we have two fucking examples that even after their 'paranoia' their 'security' was absurdly easily penetrated by one known Cylon agent, and then another managed to disapear into thin air even with a fucking escort.
4. In 'Final Cut' Xena tells the fucking audience that she had to use two Cylon Raiders to get her transmission back to Caprica.
5. In 'Resistance' Boomer is shot, and Adama wonder's 'why', and in 'Home Pt 2' Caprica Boomer points that out, indicating that Boomer 1's memories were indeed uploaded just like claimed, which implies that they either are the broadcasting equiptment, or they already have them installed!

Join the fucking dots man.

[phongn]

I don't know if Galactica ever took direct hits from a nuke (instead, the nuke initiated at some distance). The outer hull might not be as strong - nor does it have to be the primary armor belt. The water tanks could act as part of the "armor" of the ship itself, with a relatively thin outer layer, the fluid tanks and then the main armor belt.

Baltar also indicated that the outer hull was weakened and more suspectible to mechanical shock.

[Ender]

They don't need to go outside, they to be inside, next a thin piece of hullplating, something that won't attenuate the signal too much.

The shielding is strong enough not only to protect the crew during long deeppspace voyages, but to protect against numerous multi kiloton - multi megaton nuclear detonations against the hull.

Your signal is NOT getting through from the inside.

Care to explain how palm sized C4 blew out the 'super-impregnable-hull' then in 'Water'

You can skimp on shielding there because the water itself will act as shielding.

Any other attempts to get around canon by pretending you are an idiot?

[Crown]

Care to explain how palm sized C4 blew out the 'super-impregnable-hull' then in 'Water'

You can skimp on shielding there because the water itself will act as shielding.

Any other attempts to get around canon by pretending you are an idiot?

Are you purposeful trying to get the digweed of the week award? Your entire rant was based on the assumption that Galactica's uber shielding wasn't going to let any trasmitter get it's signal out.

Canon proves you wrong asshole. The water tanks show a demonstrable weakness where by a Cylon agent can enter and send transmissions through the hull.