A better Enterprise

[Isolder74]

Isnt the ticking timebomb warp core a mainly Galaxy class flaw?

It appears so but then again the Nebula Class may have similer problems. the debris field at Wolf 359(or whatever) mostly contained older ships and only a few real warships. says alot for the logistics ability of Starfleet if whaen facing a major threat they are forced to use museaum pieces in combat!

[Kamakazie Sith]

I think we are all in agreement that the reactor system on virtually all ST ships seem to be unstable with all of these frequent warp core breaches. A better Enterprise should somehow have a containment or a better reactor system so that whenever the phased quantum particle fired from the ionic slipstream of something wont cause the warp core to breach.

I am not in agreement. That was the whole point of my posts in this thread...to show that warp core breaches are actually a design fault of the old GCS.

It has obviously been fixed. Unless someone has some evidence they would like to present.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Isnt the ticking timebomb warp core a mainly Galaxy class flaw?

It appears so but then again the Nebula Class may have similer problems. the debris field at Wolf 359(or whatever) mostly contained older ships and only a few real warships. says alot for the logistics ability of Starfleet if whaen facing a major threat they are forced to use museaum pieces in combat!

You consider them obsolete, but the Miranda class starship is still in use.....probably because it is able to be refitted with modern technology. This is something many navies do including the USN.

During Wolf359, starfleet seemed to be more concerned with exploration than war......there hadn't been a war for many many years...the Klingons, their once long time mortal enemy, are their allies. The Romulans are kept at bay by this alliance.

[Isolder74]

Isnt the ticking timebomb warp core a mainly Galaxy class flaw?

It appears so but then again the Nebula Class may have similer problems. the debris field at Wolf 359(or whatever) mostly contained older ships and only a few real warships. says alot for the logistics ability of Starfleet if whaen facing a major threat they are forced to use museaum pieces in combat!

You consider them obsolete, but the Miranda class starship is still in use.....probably because it is able to be refitted with modern technology. This is something many navies do including the USN.

During Wolf359, starfleet seemed to be more concerned with exploration than war......there hadn't been a war for many many years...the Klingons, their once long time mortal enemy, are their allies. The Romulans are kept at bay by this alliance.

The Nebula Class(USS SUtherland) is based on the GCS!!!! You are referring to the Miranda class(the same ship class as the Reliant). the museum pieces i was refeering to were other ships in the fleet not Sisco's ship. The Miranda Class is a very good ship with firepower similar to the Contitution class just with out its extensive science facilites

[Kamakazie Sith]

It appears so but then again the Nebula Class may have similer problems. the debris field at Wolf 359(or whatever) mostly contained older ships and only a few real warships. says alot for the logistics ability of Starfleet if whaen facing a major threat they are forced to use museaum pieces in combat!

You consider them obsolete, but the Miranda class starship is still in use.....probably because it is able to be refitted with modern technology. This is something many navies do including the USN.

During Wolf359, starfleet seemed to be more concerned with exploration than war......there hadn't been a war for many many years...the Klingons, their once long time mortal enemy, are their allies. The Romulans are kept at bay by this alliance.

The Nebula Class(USS SUtherland) is based on the GCS!!!! You are referring to the Miranda class(the same ship class as the Reliant). the museum pieces i was refeering to were other ships in the fleet not Sisco's ship. The Miranda Class is a very good ship with firepower similar to the Contitution class just with out its extensive science facilites

I know the NCS is based on the GCS however..but that is it. Are you attempting to claim that since a GCS has a design fault so will the NCS since they have similar features?

Umm okay.....what ships were you refering to.....the Miranda was probably the oldest model present IIRC. Did you see a pre-refit consitution?

[Isolder74]

I know the NCS is based on the GCS however..but that is it. Are you attempting to claim that since a GCS has a design fault so will the NCS since they have similar features?

here is one, a older ship similar to the stargazer.

http://www.ditl.org/
Daystrom IntituteThe most notable contribution was Wolf 359, in which the USS Ahwahnee was destroyed by the Borg.

And another, this was a prototype ship that was not intended to be produced it was part of the Transwarp Drive project.

[Kamakazie Sith]

I know the NCS is based on the GCS however..but that is it. Are you attempting to claim that since a GCS has a design fault so will the NCS since they have similar features?

here is one, a older ship similar to the stargazer.

http://www.ditl.org/
Daystrom IntituteThe most notable contribution was Wolf 359, in which the USS Ahwahnee was destroyed by the Borg.

And another, this was a prototype ship that was not intended to be produced it was part of the Transwarp Drive project.

Interesting......what episode was this mentioned in?

Take a close look at that ship......see the phaser strips(arrays) that to me indicates that it is newer than the miranda.....and FYI so is the Stargazer class.

[Master of Ossus]

I think we are all in agreement that the reactor system on virtually all ST ships seem to be unstable with all of these frequent warp core breaches. A better Enterprise should somehow have a containment or a better reactor system so that whenever the phased quantum particle fired from the ionic slipstream of something wont cause the warp core to breach.

I am not in agreement. That was the whole point of my posts in this thread...to show that warp core breaches are actually a design fault of the old GCS.

It has obviously been fixed. Unless someone has some evidence they would like to present.

How has it obviously been fixed? The Intrepid class ship obviously had concessions made to help control damage in the case of such a problem (ejecting the warp core) but no permanent solutions were made. Internal explosions powerful enough to destroy ships (some designed after the GCS) have been fairly common, including the New Orleans class ship, which is based on the same design as GCS. I don't see much evidence of a permanent solution to an old problem, here.

[Kamakazie Sith]

I think we are all in agreement that the reactor system on virtually all ST ships seem to be unstable with all of these frequent warp core breaches. A better Enterprise should somehow have a containment or a better reactor system so that whenever the phased quantum particle fired from the ionic slipstream of something wont cause the warp core to breach.

I am not in agreement. That was the whole point of my posts in this thread...to show that warp core breaches are actually a design fault of the old GCS.

It has obviously been fixed. Unless someone has some evidence they would like to present.

How has it obviously been fixed? The Intrepid class ship obviously had concessions made to help control damage in the case of such a problem (ejecting the warp core) but no permanent solutions were made. Internal explosions powerful enough to destroy ships (some designed after the GCS) have been fairly common, including the New Orleans class ship, which is based on the same design as GCS. I don't see much evidence of a permanent solution to an old problem, here.

What episode was the New Orleans class destroyed in?

What evidence do you have that the New Orleans class is newer than a GCS.

[Isolder74]

What episode was the New Orleans class destroyed in

Wolf 359 best of both worlds

http://www.ditl.org/
Notes : The New Orleans class was introduced as a counterpart to the large Nebula and Galaxy class starships. The intention was to produce a Frigate which incorporated the technology advances being deployed on these two starships. The New Orleans would also have nearly equal speed to facilitate fleet operations
The New Orleans class USS Kyushu was seen as a wreck in the "Best of Both Worlds" graveyard scene - so far as I know no New Orleans class has ever been seen before or since. The biggest problem in writing a spec for this class was explaining the three very large projections on the hull - two on the saucer and one on the bottom of the engineering hull. There's no canon explanation fo these that I know of; originally I had them pegged as torpedo launchers, but they're a bit on the large side for that, and given the 'frigate' designation of the class this is an awful lot of firepower to tote around! In the end I decided to claim that they're an entire self-contained torpedo system, designed to free up internal volume for more science labs and so on - it seemed a reasonable explanation given Starfleets peaceful ethic.

USS New Orleans


USS Kyushu


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[Master of Ossus]

I'm pretty sure there is one in "Sacrifice of Angels." Actually, I don't KNOW that it was destroyed by a reactor explosion, but if you watch it, what appears to be a New Orleans class ship explodes without apparent cause in the background. I say without apparent cause because much of the ship is obscured, but I also don't see any weapons fire around it.

And yes, there was one in BoBW, but it was intact so I do not think it was destroyed by a reactor problem.

[Isolder74]

And another, this was a prototype ship that was not intended to be produced it was part of the Transwarp Drive project.


Interesting......what episode was this mentioned in?

USS Defender

Best of Both Worlds

[Isolder74]

The Excelsior class USS Melbourne is badly damaged by a Borg beam weapon. There where actually two Melbournes at the battle - this ship was pulled out of her decommissioning ceremony and sent to the battle alongside her Nebula class replacement.



The Nebula class Melbourne was is shown here alongside an Ambassador
class vessel. The Melbourne met the same fate as her predecessor.

here we see a vessel fighting alongside the ship it was suppost to replace.

[Isolder74]

The Nebula class Melbourne was is shown here alongside an Ambassador
class vessel. The Melbourne met the same fate as her predecessor.



The Excelsior class USS Melbourne is badly damaged by a Borg beam weapon. There where actually two Melbournes at the battle - this ship was pulled out of her decommissioning ceremony and sent to the battle alongside her Nebula class replacement. here we see a vessel fighting alongside the ship it was suppost to replace.

opps got captions backwards

[Isolder74]

Isnt the ticking timebomb warp core a mainly Galaxy class flaw?

It appears so but then again the Nebula Class may have similer problems. the debris field at Wolf 359(or whatever) mostly contained older ships and only a few real warships. says alot for the logistics ability of Starfleet if whaen facing a major threat they are forced to use museaum pieces in combat!

please note my highlighting of the word may here. i am implying that since the nebula is basically a rearchitechured Galaxy design the warp core could be the exact same unit. also the Sutherland in Redemption Pt. 2 was defentally having technical problems. The Phaser banks were leaking radiation into the ship.

[Kamakazie Sith]

What episode was the New Orleans class destroyed in

Wolf 359 best of both worlds

http://www.ditl.org/
Notes : The New Orleans class was introduced as a counterpart to the large Nebula and Galaxy class starships. The intention was to produce a Frigate which incorporated the technology advances being deployed on these two starships. The New Orleans would also have nearly equal speed to facilitate fleet operations
The New Orleans class USS Kyushu was seen as a wreck in the "Best of Both Worlds" graveyard scene - so far as I know no New Orleans class has ever been seen before or since. The biggest problem in writing a spec for this class was explaining the three very large projections on the hull - two on the saucer and one on the bottom of the engineering hull. There's no canon explanation fo these that I know of; originally I had them pegged as torpedo launchers, but they're a bit on the large side for that, and given the 'frigate' designation of the class this is an awful lot of firepower to tote around! In the end I decided to claim that they're an entire self-contained torpedo system, designed to free up internal volume for more science labs and so on - it seemed a reasonable explanation given Starfleets peaceful ethic.

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See that's your problem.....you think DITL.org is canon....but it's not. Only material coming from the episodes or movies is canon. That little paragraph above was made up by Kennedy, which he clearly makes known in his FAQ.

[Kamakazie Sith]

The Excelsior class USS Melbourne is badly damaged by a Borg beam weapon. There where actually two Melbournes at the battle - this ship was pulled out of her decommissioning ceremony and sent to the battle alongside her Nebula class replacement.

Excelsiors are still used..they are not old ships. And I can't read the names of those vessels.....

The Nebula class Melbourne was is shown here alongside an Ambassador
class vessel. The Melbourne met the same fate as her predecessor.

here we see a vessel fighting alongside the ship it was suppost to replace.

How do you know that those are both named the same, can you see the name on their hull?

[Kamakazie Sith]

Isnt the ticking timebomb warp core a mainly Galaxy class flaw?

It appears so but then again the Nebula Class may have similer problems. the debris field at Wolf 359(or whatever) mostly contained older ships and only a few real warships. says alot for the logistics ability of Starfleet if whaen facing a major threat they are forced to use museaum pieces in combat!

please note my highlighting of the word may here. i am implying that since the nebula is basically a rearchitechured Galaxy design the warp core could be the exact same unit. also the Sutherland in Redemption Pt. 2 was defentally having technical problems. The Phaser banks were leaking radiation into the ship.

Okay....this is related to GCS warp core problems how? The ship was in dock for repairs.....it wasn't ready to leave but Picard needed ships for his blockade.

[Isolder74]

What episode was the New Orleans class destroyed in

Wolf 359 best of both worlds

http://www.ditl.org/
Notes : The New Orleans class was introduced as a counterpart to the large Nebula and Galaxy class starships. The intention was to produce a Frigate which incorporated the technology advances being deployed on these two starships. The New Orleans would also have nearly equal speed to facilitate fleet operations
The New Orleans class USS Kyushu was seen as a wreck in the "Best of Both Worlds" graveyard scene - so far as I know no New Orleans class has ever been seen before or since. The biggest problem in writing a spec for this class was explaining the three very large projections on the hull - two on the saucer and one on the bottom of the engineering hull. There's no canon explanation fo these that I know of; originally I had them pegged as torpedo launchers, but they're a bit on the large side for that, and given the 'frigate' designation of the class this is an awful lot of firepower to tote around! In the end I decided to claim that they're an entire self-contained torpedo system, designed to free up internal volume for more science labs and so on - it seemed a reasonable explanation given Starfleets peaceful ethic.

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See that's your problem.....you think DITL.org is canon....but it's not. Only material coming from the episodes or movies is canon. That little paragraph above was made up by Kennedy, which he clearly makes known in his FAQ.

i your statment make me look like i didn't know that i included the quote cause i thought it some good information. All i really needed from the DITl was the picture which is cannon!

[Isolder74]

It appears so but then again the Nebula Class may have similer problems. the debris field at Wolf 359(or whatever) mostly contained older ships and only a few real warships. says alot for the logistics ability of Starfleet if whaen facing a major threat they are forced to use museaum pieces in combat!

please note my highlighting of the word may here. i am implying that since the nebula is basically a rearchitechured Galaxy design the warp core could be the exact same unit. also the Sutherland in Redemption Pt. 2 was defentally having technical problems. The Phaser banks were leaking radiation into the ship.

Okay....this is related to GCS warp core problems how? The ship was in dock for repairs.....it wasn't ready to leave but Picard needed ships for his blockade.

Again shows the federation's abysmal logistics if they have to use a ship sitting in drydock for repairs for such a blockade. the feddy fleet must be really spread out!

[Kamakazie Sith]

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See that's your problem.....you think DITL.org is canon....but it's not. Only material coming from the episodes or movies is canon. That little paragraph above was made up by Kennedy, which he clearly makes known in his FAQ.[/quote]

i your statment make me look like i didn't know that i included the quote cause i thought it some good information. All i really needed from the DITl was the picture which is cannon![/quote]

Okay so the New Orleans was destroyed in a episode, how does this help your claim?

[Kamakazie Sith]

please note my highlighting of the word may here. i am implying that since the nebula is basically a rearchitechured Galaxy design the warp core could be the exact same unit. also the Sutherland in Redemption Pt. 2 was defentally having technical problems. The Phaser banks were leaking radiation into the ship.

Okay....this is related to GCS warp core problems how? The ship was in dock for repairs.....it wasn't ready to leave but Picard needed ships for his blockade.

Again shows the federation's abysmal logistics if they have to use a ship sitting in drydock for repairs for such a blockade. the feddy fleet must be really spread out!

Red Herring considering the topic. The topic being that NCS since they look like a GCS may have the same warp core problems as a GCS.

IIRC Picard said they were spread out pretty thin in that sector.

[Isolder74]

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See that's your problem.....you think DITL.org is canon....but it's not. Only material coming from the episodes or movies is canon. That little paragraph above was made up by Kennedy, which he clearly makes known in his FAQ.

i your statment make me look like i didn't know that i included the quote cause i thought it some good information. All i really needed from the DITl was the picture which is cannon![/quote]

Okay so the New Orleans was destroyed in a episode, how does this help your claim?[/quote]

Neither is the Star Trek Technical Manual, Star Trek Encyclopedia, or any other reference books. so I guess I can't use those either

[Kamakazie Sith]

Neither is the Star Trek Technical Manual, Star Trek Encyclopedia, or any other reference books. so I guess I can't use those either

You can, but it needs to reflect information given from the episodes or movies.

[Isolder74]

Neither is the Star Trek Technical Manual, Star Trek Encyclopedia, or any other reference books. so I guess I can't use those either

You can, but it needs to reflect information given from the episodes or movies.

I've ran into several trekkies that would not eccept things from these references