New Fan Fic

[Jack Lain]

Hello, I am writing a fan-fic and looking for one or two collaborators.

Little background on the story thus far:

My story starts days before the final battle in Jedi.

Grand Admiral Lain (yes the login name is intentional), an old veteran of the Republic and now an Imperial Grand Admiral, has not only bit the bait, but eaten it whole and truly believes in the divine right of the Emperor. He has, after distinguished service during the Republic, the Clone Wars and the Imperial timeline, been put in charge of testing and training Executor Class Star Destroyers before they are put into full service.
He has many claims to fame, even having held in his youth the security forces hand-to-hand combat championship on Coruscant. In the story, he is in his mid-to-late sixties.

During the warm up for another cycle of battle tests, the "Omnipotent Angel" falls through an anomaly and enters the Fringes of Federation controlled space. (read wormhole for anomaly).

*some things happen* (I don't want to spoil my own story too badly)

Lain orders the ship back through the anomaly and reports its existence to command. He sends his reports and receives Lord Vader across the holo net. He is ordered to Endor.

*some things happen*

He decides that Thrawn is not the correct person to avenge the Emperor.

*more things happen*

Lain takes the OA and two Star Destroyers through the anomaly and into Federation space.

This then is where the story becomes relevant to this forum. I have a super class star destroyer and two 'regular' Star Destroyers in Federation space with the intention of using it as a launching pad to annihilate all rebels in retaliation of the Emperor's death. Of course, they must first subjugate the Federation or whoever is able to best provide Grand Admiral Lain with the resources he needs to accomplish his task.
ST time line is near end of series TNG and Beginning of DS9. I really don't want any silly nonsense from Voyager or the later DS9 episodes.
SW timeline is a just a hair past ROTJ.

If anyone would like my draft first, in order to consider a collaboration position, I am more than happy to send it to you via email.
But I am really looking for someone who is well versed in Federation protocols, technology and understands the TNG well enough to argue with me and can play devil's advocate against my (admittedly) SW bias. And also someone who is well versed in the SW lore, post ROTJ novels, who can tell me when I am being dumb as well as help with dialogue, style, etc...
In true dark side example however, your name(s) will appear after mine as authors.

I will add that I have not decided on a winner at this point. I want the story to write itself, which is why I am asking if any ppl are interested in joining me in this exercise.

Please email or reply here if you have interest. [email protected]

-Jack

PS: I should add, I am not the easiest person to get along with, but it will primarily be worked on via email. Also, I can take what I give; I suffer very little from over sensitivity, so there should be no fear to call me just as many names right back. :)

I will also add, if anyone wants to debate the ability of a super star destroyer and two ISDs suddenly entering Federation space, with no other intention than to take it over, but does not want to collaborate, please feel free to post below. That will also help me tremendously.

Thanks again folks & plz ignore any grammar, shorthand or spelling mistakes. The above is not indicative of my story writing ability. Only my forum posting ability. -lates

[SCVN 2812]

2 words:

Stormtrooper attrition

Good luck finding willing recruits on your subjugated worlds, conscripts would be more likely to turn on you or run as they are to fight for the force that conquered them.

3 ships vs. around 5000 capital ships and as many as 10,000-70,000 vessels total. (and no bullshit about not being in the Federation, you/he said it himself, they are in the Federation)

[Jack Lain]

I did not say I already had a victor in mind. But there is very little in the ST universe that can compete with an Executor Class Star Destroyer.

I accept your storm trooper attrition completely. But do I really ever need to deploy ground troops? Can I not hold a planet hostage with my ships and force them to create droids? Or some other form of attack unit to fulfill my aim? I don't need to inhabit your factories to exert my control over you.

I agree 100%; conscripted troops cannot be counted upon. But remember, I am not looking to rebuild the empire. Only punish those who killed my god. I do not need to occupy Coruscant to obtain a victory situation in my fan-fic. This also, does not account for opportunist within the Fed or Kling, or Rom who may make a deal with me in order to conquer their neighbors. We know the Roms will do this, the Klings, maybe, but probably.

There are multiple vessel versus vessel comparisons. I do not believe that the Federation, or Romulan or Klingon Empire, by themselves can defeat my 3 ships. -- This is why I am asking for collaborators. I need more ppl to tell me why I am being dumb, and my fan-fic will/can easily end in a Fed or at least a ST victory. I am not partial in its writing.

-Jack

BTW: If I am breaking with tradition where I do not directly quote your objections, plz forgive me and correct me. While I have been a long time lurker, I am not a long time poster.

[Singular Quartet]

3 ships vs. around 5000 capital ships and as many as 10,000-70,000 vessels total. (and no bullshit about not being in the Federation, you/he said it himself, they are in the Federation)

Where the hell did the Feds get 10,000-70,000 ships? Even pre-dom they didn't have that many!!

[SPOOFE]

3 ships vs. around 5000 capital ships and as many as 10,000-70,000 vessels total.

No problem. You'd definitely need 5000 ships (considering that they're not all heavy-hitters) to reliably take out an SSD and two ISD's.

Anyway, Jack, you should stress one thing in your story... that it's REALLY easy for the Imperials to blast the crap out of Federation worlds, but REALLY tough to control them. Remember: Once they start trying to recruit Federation citizens, that's when espionage begins, and the Federation starts stealing Imperial technology. Then, a few years later, they begin the counterattack...

[Jack Lain]

I realize I was too quick to dismiss and flippant in my initial response. Trooper attrition is a big deal. Threatening planets from space does not mean they will produce the needed weaponry, ships, supplies, etc... And my little Imperial force is going to need maximum productivity, with little insurgent action, in order to accomplish its real goal. Which means they either commit incredibly atrocious actions to force capitulation or heavily fortify worlds with both space and ground troops to insure productivity remains high. Or, they go into the droid making business as a full time profession in order to replace the dead humans on manufacturing worlds.

Also, originally I thought it would be possible to subjugate any of the three, Roms, Klings or Feds, but in truth the Feds are the ones who would have to be invaded. The Roms and Klings will capitulate, either immediately or after losing some battles, but if the Roms or Klings fall, then the Feds can be counted on to interfere.

Finally, even if this drastically reduced Empire group wins in ST space, they are still stuck with one of the largest disadvantages ST has in the debate. 150, 250, 500 planets, all at maximum production, still cannot compete with the potentially millions of worlds producing in the SW space.

Hmm, I need to rethink some parts of this. ;)

[SCVN 2812]

3 ships vs. around 5000 capital ships and as many as 10,000-70,000 vessels total. (and no bullshit about not being in the Federation, you/he said it himself, they are in the Federation)

Where the hell did the Feds get 10,000-70,000 ships? Even pre-dom they didn't have that many!!

NCC numbers. But only a tiny fraction are actually capital ships. Most would be small patrol ships like the Ju'day Raider favored by the Maquis and the Peregrine which is used in war time as a strike fighter.

The largest NCC number known to exist is aroudn 78000, the Federation has been around for 200 years. Many starfleet ships remain in service for over 100, more common is about 50. So of those 78000 vessels one fourth to half would still be new enough to be in active service. Now if starfleet doesn't scrap the outdated half to 3/4ths then it can mass a fleet of around 70,000 ships, more or less depending on just how many ships are still serviceable and how many have been destroyed due to war and the misc. dangers that come with exploring space especially in the Star Trek universe.

Also please take note of my use of the word "ship" and not starship. A ship in Star Trek can be almost anything, typically used to describe a vessel runabout sized or larger but not quite up to the size of starships which would be termed capital ships in SW.

[Vympel]

SCVN thats an absolutely ABSURD figure. Is there any canon evidence to show that NCC-numbers are sequential? Seriously I don't know. The Federation has AT MOST a few thousand ships of all sizes, including fighter size- i.e. Peregrine, Danube runabouts etc.

Read the relevant section on stardestroyer.net. If you disagree, state why. Use canon evidence.

70,000 ....

[Vympel]

*Looks at watch*

Still waiting for evidence of the 70,000 ships.

[Master of Ossus]

Are you suggesting that only ten percent of SF's ships have ever been decommisioned to the point where they cannot be refitted? You are also ignoring how many SF ships have been destroyed. Even if the NCC numbers ARE sequential, your figure disregards the number of ships that have been scuttled/destroyed/sold for scrap. At MOST the Federation has 20-25,000 ships. That is an ABSOLUTE maximum. It is far more likely that they have FAR less. I think a more realistic figure would be between 5,000 and 15,000 ships. Following the Dominion War, even Daystrom Technical Institute only gives the Federation about 4,000 ships (though, unlike both my figures and yours that does not count the little runabouts and shuttles). There is no WAY that the Federation could come up with that many ships. Prior to the Dominion War, they were building and recommissioning ships like mad, and they still had no where NEAR that total. Also, even if they could recommission that many ships, they would still not have enough officers and crew for them all. It would be impossible to make them battle-ready, even if you ignore their outdated weapons and shields.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Yeah, a few ISDs could destroy Federation Fleets, but you would need billions of Stormtroopers to create a significant militarty presence in Federation Space.

[Jack Lain]

I rewrote part of the first chapter to make it four ISDs and one SSD.
I still have not solved the troops issue, but I think I have a way out of it. Heh, its Sci-Fi ;)

I am resolved however that no matter who wins this battle between ST and this invading SW force, the SW force cannot simply return to SW space and avenge the Emperor's death. The manufacturing capabilities of hundreds of worlds cannot compete with the productivity of thousands or millions of planets.

As for the thousands of ships issue, it doesn't matter. I suggest that a single SSD with four ISDs is more than a match for the combined might of the Federation. Twenty-five thousand ships are simply that much more scrap floating in space when it’s all said and done. I won't write some nonsense uber weapon or secretly unknown vulnerability into my story. I will only go with what I've seen in the films and series and what I've read off the various boards.

I am going to include Darkling's subtrans torpedo idea though. I think that is a great idea and weapon to give SF and should be a tough thing for my limited SW force to overcome, if they can. :)

-lates Jack.

[Jack Lain]

I have no idea why it did this?

it’s - it should be it's. Strange.

-Jack.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

For the troop thing, you could make up an ISD-size troop dripship, but that still wouldn't be enough. Perhaps a secret cloning facility in Federation Space?

[Jack Lain]

This is my last attempt at seeking others to help me write this thing. Any and all are welcome to pm me from this site or send me an email for all that I have written thus far. The following is a scene that I just wrote tonight. Please let me know your thoughts and if you would like to help me out with this fan fic.

-Jack "Thanks" Lain.

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Grand Admiral Lain looked across the table at Councilor Troi.
"You do not really understand your empathic abilities do you?" He asked.
She looked up from the green soup and quickly looked back down.
"I," she paused. "I don't understand your question."
"Of course you do," Lain said dismissively. He continued, "The humans have convinced you that you and your abilities are part of a separation of species and that you are different than them. Even though they accept you into their society. You should feel lucky to be a part."
Lain paused and read her thoughts.
"You long to belong. And so long as they openly accept you, you do not mind their fear. But you and I know the truth."
She shuddered at his words but did not look up. The green soup looked so good to her tired eyes. Warm and soothing.
Lain continued, "You are like your mother in this regard."
Deanna Troi's eyes snapped upward and met the solid blue flames.
"Yes," Lain responded. "Yes, very good. Feed those feelings Councilor Troi. Feed them well. There is no reason to be ashamed of your ability. You and I, both understand, as the others cannot, what it all means. They can never hope too see what it truly means. What it truly is!"
Deanna tore her eyes away and looked into the mirrors that lined the five walls. She turned from that image as well and looked back down at the bowl of green soup. With shaking hands she picked up the shiny silver spoon to her right.
Lain leaned back in his chair and crossed his arms.
"Deanna, let me help you," he said.
She replied, "I do not need your help. Let me go."
Lain shook his head. He stretched out his right hand and held it centimeters above the hard table surface.
"Deanna, why do you fight what you know to be truth? You have dedicated yourself to others for so long. For no reason. Why now do you disregard the truth when it confronts you?"
He stood from his chair. His hand was still outstretched.
"Do you really believe that this is all?" He asked. "That this empathic ability, the reading of emotions, is that all that you are capable of?"
She did not look up and dipped her spoon into the green soup. She trembled so violently trying to bring the spoon to her mouth that could barely taste what was left when she put the spoon into her mouth.
"Do not be fooled," Lain said.
She looked up at the skeletal hand stretched out toward her. She could read the power that rested within him. So similar and yet so very different from what she was used to seeing. So dark, her mind responded.
Deanna dropped the spoon. It bounced off the hard table and fell to the floor. The sound of the metal on the deck was deafening. She felt so lost.
Lain moved forward and she looked back up into the shiny blue stars as he entered her vision.
"Let me show you the true power of the force," Lain said and smiled.
"Let me show you what you have been denied. Denied only through a lack of training. Denied through human fear. Denied through your own self."
Deanna could not reply. Her mouth was dry and she felt her life resting in the tiny blue galaxies that stared into her soul.
"Deanna, do not be fooled."
He paused and stared into her soul.
"I will take you places you have never been. I will show you things you have never seen. I will quench your thirst and you will know what true belonging is. You will belong."
Lain finished his walk toward her.
Her hands rested limply in her lap.
"I will teach you, train you. There are always two Deanna."
His voice stressed her name and she felt the heat of his words as truth. She felt the seductive power of it and she knew he was not lying.
"A master and an apprentice. Come."
The outstretched hand beckoned again.
"Come Deanna, take my hand. Embrace what I have to offer. Feel the true power and let me guide you. Fulfill your destiny."
The voice was so seductive, the power so easy to feel. She looked away from the blue flames and down at the spoon on the floor. It's just a spoon she reasoned. She looked at her face in the silver.
She knew that what he said was true. That there was more to her than just the ability to read the emotions of others. She also knew that he was right when he had said that others feared her for no reason. Feared her for their own selfish sakes. But he is, her mind paused in its last justification, he is evil.
She looked up from the silver spoon to the skeletal hand and followed it to his arm and then to his cowled face. The spinning blue galaxies promised so much.
She opened her mouth to speak and closed it.
Shaking, trembling with every cell in her body, she reached out and touched the hand that promised the universe.
She started crying.
Lain pulled her to her feet with strength that she never thought possible. She could feel the heat from him and it was more than a thousand suns.
She rested her face against his broad chest.
"I know," he said. "It is amazing."
She nodded and the tears became dark spots on his black robe.
"Do not worry," Lain said reassuringly. "You have made the correct decision. We will now secure for you the ultimate weapon."
She raised her head from his chest and looked questionably in the blue infinite star swirls.
He smiled and his blackened teeth were like fangs.
"The lightsabre," he said in simple reply. "This is your weapon."
Her mind filled at his words and she saw the light blade and instinctively knew what she could do with it.
"I will show you what you can be and in return, you will become your destiny."
Deanna lowered her face and hugged the Grand Admiral tighter.
She knew, without question, that he was the master.
He stroked her long hair.
"My apprentice," his voice hissed.