Jedi Vs. Priors [SG1 S9 Spoilers]

[Crown]

Hey man, I was the one trying to be gracious here!

Pfft. You're complaining?

I believe the appropriate response is to shout 'Concession Accepted' (with an optional large picture) and dance a bit.

Frankly, I'm pretty sure I should post an apology instead. If I had done the summation table in the begining, this could have been avoided, and honestly your calculation was just ... well ... you know ... wrong. I didn't notice that at first, so I was kinda like 'why is there even a debate about this?'.

My bad.

[NecronLord]

You don't need to apologise. Just go and comment on my Atlantis fanfic! Hell, that'd mean I'd have to too.

[Darth Wong]

Thus, I concede on all points.

Well, barring the one about blaster bolts flying through Qui-Gon.

So you are still calling me a liar? Produce your evidence right fucking now. It's been a few years since I posted that, and no, I didn't post a complete AVI file. But if you are so convinced that I was dead wrong when I viewed the entire sequence frame by frame and concluded that they couldn't have evaded those shots, I expect you to do more than post bullshit "well, based solely on a single screenshot you're wrong" idiocy.

[NecronLord]

Am I calling you a 'liar?' No.

Have I asked to see the actual evidence of the shots passing through Qui-Gon that would assert your claim? In other words saying you've yet to convince me? Yes.

I would expect, had the blaster bolts passed through his body, the explosion to be somewhat further to the right, as I said. Further, in the between first screenshot [#4], where the bolts appear to be headed directly and the second[#5] he has moved to the right. It may have hit him, or it may not. As I do not have the film on DVD, I cannot find evidence of any transitional frames that show the bolt impacting his body and passing through. Therefore, I have asked if there is any more concrete evidence than this to support the assertion that jedi are able to become incorporeal.




From these images, unless there's a three dimensional version out there I'm unaware of, I can't see how you can say whether or not the bolt would pass through the jedi.

[Darth Wong]

From these images, unless there's a three dimensional version out there I'm unaware of, I can't see how you can say whether or not the bolt would pass through the jedi.

Since light is passing through the fucking Jedi, why the fuck would any other kind of energy harm him, moron? Don't give me this "you have yet to convince me" bullshit; unless you're some kind of blithering idiot, you must recognize that there is obviously no warpage of space and time around the Jedi, and they are obviously not simulating the behaviour of a Star Wars cloaking device. So how the fuck is the light passing through their bodies if they are still solid, genius? And what about shrapnel and heat and concussion from the explosions which are right next to them and seem to have no effect, not even scorching their robes? No, I didn't ray-trace the bolts, but they sure seemed to go through where they were, and if you're so goddamned sure that nothing from that event could have touched them, go ahead and prove it. The logic of the situation is against you, the science is against you, the proximity of the explosions is against you, so why the fuck must I produce ray-traceable evidence to prove the last bit for you?

[NecronLord]

Since light is passing through the fucking Jedi, why the fuck would any other kind of energy harm him, moron?

Some light is passing through him. Even if he's only 1% opaque to a blaster bolt, he's going to at the very least have some serious burns. 200 or so kilowatts of heat is not something I'd rather like to be hitting me.

Don't give me this "you have yet to convince me" bullshit; unless you're some kind of blithering idiot, you must recognize that there is obviously no warpage of space and time around the Jedi, and they are obviously not simulating the behaviour of a Star Wars cloaking device. So how the fuck is the light passing through their bodies if they are still solid, genius?

How the fuck is some of it not passing through them if they're not partly solid (EDIT: That should read; Not completely invisible)? How, for that matter, are they able to seemingly interact with the enviroment like this? For example, running.

[NecronLord]

(Line intended to be a little paralell to the blaster bolts)

Now, here, it does seem that the bolts would pass through Qui-gon in a transitional moment, but without knowing the exact angles of the scene, I can't see how the assertion that they must pass through him can be proven. Given that it also requires an explanation for how he is still visible yet undamaged by a high energy blaster bolt passing through it, I think the simpler explanation is that it simply missed him by a narrow margin...

[NecronLord]

As I apparently have the time to do something a bit more complex, I drew a second line through the bolts on another layer, then continued it to the point where it impacts the doors (to be generous, I'm using the furthest right point on the door).

Drawing two circles roughy where Qui-Gon's is on the floor (of course, there may be inaccuracy here, he's annoyingly translucent) in each position, and cloning the line onto the floor, we can see that the bolt definately seems to miss him if it were to pass him at the second frame, and we cannot readily determine (or at least, I cannot) whether it would pass through him in position one.

[PunkMaister]

Man I wanted so much to start a threrad discussing just his scenario. Especially since quite a few in the Star Wars side see the Ori ands the Priors as nothing more thsan Con-Men!
I can undestand that about ST's Q but the Ori and the Priors?
There is nothing to support this...

Anyhow for what we have seen so far.

Even with the Uber Wank dervided from the SW EU the Priors would still be handull for any Jedi or Sith facing them IMO.
If we take the primary cannon as a sole source then the Jedi's and Sith don't have a prayer against them...

[NecronLord]

Man I wanted so much to start a threrad discussing just his scenario. Especially since quite a few in the Star Wars side see the Ori ands the Priors as nothing more thsan Con-Men!
I can undestand that about ST's Q but the Ori and the Priors?
There is nothing to support this...

Anyhow for what we have seen so far.

Even with the Uber Wank dervided from the SW EU the Priors would still be handull for any Jedi or Sith facing them IMO.
If we take the primary cannon as a sole source then the Jedi's and Sith don't have a prayer against them...

Read the thread please.

Now, without false modesty, because let's face it, I'm an arrogant man, if I couldn't defend this point, how the hell do you think a random thread without even a single quantification (IE NUMBER) in it will work?

[PunkMaister]

^I have read it now...
And I'm just shocked and amazed at the conclusions reached therein!
At the time ths thread was made season 9 had not even aired so people had no clue as to how powerful the Priors and the Ori really were.
But lets make it simple...
Proof that the Jedis or Sith can indeed:

a) Hurl people straight into orbit Team Rocket from Pokemon style.

b) Force choke individuals out of line of sigh (does not mean far just out of sight)

c) Create forcewalls that can stop machine gun fired rounds Matrix-style!

d) Create deadly plagues out of his own organism and heal and even resurect those that die from it at his whim.

d) Bring back to life people that have been entirely calcinated by fire.


f) And as we learned from dialog in an episode where they encounter a legendary group of Jaffa. Create massive eartquaques that can level entire cities or villages.

Once you provide absolute proof that the Jedi and/or Sith can do all this and more and therefore arserape both the Priors and the Ori along with every TVland ScifiVerse outthere save the culture and that's for now!
Then I will happily concede defeat and move along...

[Darksider]

Um. Two very accomplished debators just went throught this whole song and dance. Read the thread.

As for the earthquakes, I don't know if they were covered, but since it wasn't seen on screen, proof that the Priors did it themselves with no technological aid?

[PunkMaister]

Um. Two very accomplished debators just went throught this whole song and dance. Read the thread.

As for the earthquakes, I don't know if they were covered, but since it wasn't seen on screen, proof that the Priors did it themselves with no technological aid?

Yes they did and for the most part is bovious that none of them had even seen the episodes yet.
Proven by the fact that one even thinks that the Jaffa in Beachhead were just hurled a few feet when clearly that was not the case and what's worst based on this false assumption calcs were made that by default are totally unsubstantiated...
Anybody that saw the first half of season 9 knows by now that the Priors do have real powers and that the Staff is not I repeat not the source of their powers. in fact if anything it works as an amplifier of their powers.
And again the debaters basically got stuck on equations of power based on the Jaffa being hurled just a few feet instead of straight into infinity as we saw in Beachhead.
So they never got around to even discuss wether or not Jedi's can create force walls or they incorrectly assumed it was a gadget when Anubis son proved that it wasn't! Need I go on?

[weemadando]

Shut your filthy mouth you little fanboy bitch. You are already a borderline spammer/troll, don't make us confirm it.

This thread has travelled its course - and conclusions have been fairly drawn.

The debate has been fair and based on observed facts. If you don't like the conclusions, go, do your own fucking calcs, get your own evidence and bring it back.

And also - everyone in this thread who is commenting has seen the series to my knowledge. So, may I reiterate - shut your mouth until you can provide something useful.

[NecronLord]

At the time ths thread was made season 9 had not even aired so people had no clue as to how powerful the Priors and the Ori really were.

For fuck's sake. There have been no new episodes of stargate SG1 since this thread was started.

[Darksider]

Yes they did and for the most part is bovious that none of them had even seen the episodes yet.
Proven by the fact that one even thinks that the Jaffa in Beachhead were just hurled a few feet when clearly that was not the case and what's worst based on this false assumption calcs were made that by default are totally unsubstantiated...
Anybody that saw the first half of season 9 knows by now that the Priors do have real powers and that the Staff is not I repeat not the source of their powers. in fact if anything it works as an amplifier of their powers.
And again the debaters basically got stuck on equations of power based on the Jaffa being hurled just a few feet instead of straight into infinity as we saw in Beachhead.
So they never got around to even discuss wether or not Jedi's can create force walls or they incorrectly assumed it was a gadget when Anubis son proved that it wasn't! Need I go on?

Wow. I noticed you don't provide one single sentence worth of solid evidence for this bullshit.

No one is claiming the Priors do not have real powers. We have seen them use real powers. These on-screen powers were debated in the thread already. You're a few days too late to this particular fight. Your side already lost. Find some evidence to back up your claims, or get the fuck out of my thread

[Vympel]

Just a thought about the previous calculations about Prior's, Yoda's and Anakin's feats- has anyone looked at Obi-Wan force-pushing Grievous yet? His weight is probably hard to estimate ...

[weemadando]

I did that in the PSW forum - it was a pretty impressive effort IIRC...

[weemadando]

That thread - Several assumption based of eyeballing, but - its all erring on the side of caution.

[PunkMaister]

I really dont understand that since according to the conclusions reached here the Priors and the Ori would be stomped like mosquitoes by Wankatine or Palpy why then would it such a risk to conquer the StarGateverse as opposed to the TrekVerse...

[Ender]

I really dont understand that since according to the conclusions reached here the Priors and the Ori would be stomped like mosquitoes by Wankatine or Palpy why then would it such a risk to conquer the StarGateverse as opposed to the TrekVerse...

As individuals they would get slapped and slapped hard. However wars are not won by individuals. The threat is in their ships, which some incidents indicate are close to Wars level in power.

[Xon]

There is a significant difference between a Prior going one on one with someone, and all the Priors and the Ori out to get someone.

[Ender]

Dude, just stop feeding the damn troll.