I realise certain individuals heralded the fact that StarTrek.com stated two Jeri Taylor books were canon as gospel. I recently contacted the webmaster there and pointed him to the evidence relating to Paula Block's comments. The page has been updated and now says;
In the publishing world, there used to be two exceptions to the novel rule: the Jeri Taylor- penned books "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters and were to be considered as references by writers on the show. Now that the show is over, some of those events may never be incorporated into a live action format, so the question of whether details from these novels remain canon is open to interpretation.
Rather than;
There are a couple of exceptions to this rule: the Jeri Taylor penned novels "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters.
I wonder what the idiot Darkstar will say about this latest development. Especially since he claims that canon is a matter of "objective evidence", and it turns out that his "objective evidence" can be changed overnight
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Considering how much of his argument against Block's comments relied on defining how StarTrek.com's word meant more, and the various paragraphs he wrote weighted in giving authority to that position, I'm looking forward to it.
Though they don't conclusively say 'they're not canon', but 'whether or not they remain canon', implying they once were (but we know about that thanks to Paula's explanation), he'll probably find some way to make this support his argument.
Darth Wong wrote:I wonder what the idiot Darkstar will say about this latest development. Especially since he claims that canon is a matter of "objective evidence", and it turns out that his "objective evidence" can be changed overnight
I'm sure it will occupy at least three typed, single-spaced pages.
"Its hard fact that the website said they counted as canon. The new statement doesn't contradict the previous Canon Policy that was officially approved by Paramount so..."
Damn. I just don't have his...talent...for verbal diarrhea.
"everytime a person is born the Earth weighs just a little more."--DMJ on StarTrek.com
"You see now you are using your thinking and that is not a good thing!" DMJay on StarTrek.com
"Watching Sarli argue with Vympel, Stas, Schatten and the others is as bizarre as the idea of the 40-year-old Virgin telling Hugh Hefner that Hef knows nothing about pussy, and that he is the expert."--Elfdart
Yeah, it's funny but to be realistic, you're right. He'll just spew some long-winded diatribe about how he's right, everyone else is wrong, and all of the "objective evidence" still somehow supports his point of view.
It's like the trekbbs thread where he said the books were "canon", and Paula Block said "No, they're not" and he basically said "OK, they're both canon and NOT canon at the same time! I was right all along!"
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
I have a horrible feeling that one day RSA is going to show up at Jeri Taylor's home and demand to know once and for all whether she intended the books to be canon.
DaveJB wrote:I have a horrible feeling that one day RSA is going to show up at Jeri Taylor's home and demand to know once and for all whether she intended the books to be canon.
Why? He knows they ARE canon so why should he harass her about it?
"everytime a person is born the Earth weighs just a little more."--DMJ on StarTrek.com
"You see now you are using your thinking and that is not a good thing!" DMJay on StarTrek.com
"Watching Sarli argue with Vympel, Stas, Schatten and the others is as bizarre as the idea of the 40-year-old Virgin telling Hugh Hefner that Hef knows nothing about pussy, and that he is the expert."--Elfdart
DaveJB wrote:I have a horrible feeling that one day RSA is going to show up at Jeri Taylor's home and demand to know once and for all whether she intended the books to be canon.
It's interesting how he thinks that if something was considered canon at one point, then it should still be considered canon today. It's also interesting how he thinks Paramount's attitude about letting the fans use whatever definition of "canon" they want somehow justifies his own nonsensical belief that his Oh-So-Important Star Trek Canon Policy is somehow "objective". New licensees aren't allowed to use whatever canon policy they want, so if there's an official canon policy, it can only be the one Paula Block uses. But noooo, the statement "no single canon policy" somehow means "Darkstar is right" in his mind. He really is delusional.
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Just love how the bulk of his "arguments" are not arguments at all, just "anti-canon" people, and of course he has plenty of naughty names for us, including the continuing use of "talifan"
"everytime a person is born the Earth weighs just a little more."--DMJ on StarTrek.com
"You see now you are using your thinking and that is not a good thing!" DMJay on StarTrek.com
"Watching Sarli argue with Vympel, Stas, Schatten and the others is as bizarre as the idea of the 40-year-old Virgin telling Hugh Hefner that Hef knows nothing about pussy, and that he is the expert."--Elfdart
I know you run the massive Star Trek Online portal Jon. Just how close are you to the webmaster of startrek.com anyway? You know what would be really hilarious, if you and the startrek.com webmaster were friends and you convinced him to change it and get rid of that open to interpretation line and just say, the novels are not canon deal with it. Then watch RSA's head explode as he mentions an evil Warsie conspiracy .
To my mind, the novels' canonicity has been reinforced here
Acording to his blog...
I love the way he draws the exact opposite conclusion that any reasonable person would draw. A statement is changed from stating that something is canon to stating that it used to be canon, and he says "AHA! PROOF THAT IT'S EVEN MORE CANON THAN BEFORE!"
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Darth Wong wrote:I love the way he draws the exact opposite conclusion that any reasonable person would draw. A statement is changed from stating that something is canon to stating that it used to be canon, and he says "AHA! PROOF THAT IT'S EVEN MORE CANON THAN BEFORE!"
His flaming the Trek authors as "anti-canon" is quite amusing too. I guess they're also part of the great warsie conspiracy?
"everytime a person is born the Earth weighs just a little more."--DMJ on StarTrek.com
"You see now you are using your thinking and that is not a good thing!" DMJay on StarTrek.com
"Watching Sarli argue with Vympel, Stas, Schatten and the others is as bizarre as the idea of the 40-year-old Virgin telling Hugh Hefner that Hef knows nothing about pussy, and that he is the expert."--Elfdart
