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Just decided to do a summary of the film and novelization description:

1. Rebel fleet exits hyperspace. Gold Leader discovers that they cannot get a reading on the Death Star's deflector shield, up or down. Jamming is the natural culprit. Gold Leader gives the order to pull up. Three X-Wings collide with the deflector shield and are destroyed in the maneuver.

The Imperial Communications Ship responsible for the jamming is still behind Endor at this point.

2. Imperial fleet comes out of hiding, in two flanking waves, heading to surround the Rebel fleet from both sides in a pincer. The shield barricades the Rebel fleet in front. Rebel fleet is effectively trapped.

3. Imperial fleet sends TIE squadrons forward.

4. Admiral Ackbar's crew adds power to the forward shield of the Alliance command ship. Ackbar gives the order to double main turbolaser battery firepower. Thermonuclear fireworks (some kind of missile launched by fighters) rocks the Star Cruiser. Gold Wing "is hit hard".

5. Ackbar gives the order for all ships to hold position and await his command to return. Lando and his attack squadrons are too far away to bother heeding the order.

6. Fighter combat ensues, concentrated within the perimeter of the Rebel fleet. No capital ship losses. Lando notices that only the Imperial fighters are attacking.

7. Imperial fleet enters attack position. Admiral Piett gives order to hold position.

8. From Luke's vantage point, another Rebel ship collides with the deflector shield. Most likely a fighter that didn't pay attention during a dogfight.

9. Death Star opens fire and destroys the Star Cruiser Liberty, which had been engaged in a "furious long range battle" (opponent not mentioned).

10. Ackbar gives retreat order. Lando persuades him to keep fighting, and to "head for those Star Destroyers". Ackbar's First Star Captain notes:
Sir, we don't stand much of a chance against those Star Destroyers. They out-gun us, and they're more heavily armored.
Ackbar agrees. An aide approaches and confirms forward ships have made contact with the Imperial fleet.

Ackbar gives the order:
Concentrate your fire on their power generators. If we can knock out their shields, our fighters might stand a chance against them.
Headquarters Frigate takes a turbolaser hit to one of the aft gyrostabilisers. Auxiliary shields are intensified in response.

That the Rebels were seemingly more successful in destroying Imperial ships than vice versa is likely due to the fact that the Imperials squandered their TIE assets without giving them capital ship support- clearly in the beleif that the Death Star would destroy the Rebel fleet in good time, and that the TIEs were best used to harass and destroy Rebel fighters. In contrast, the Rebel fighters operated in tandem with the capital ships to exploit shield failures.

Note that Rebel fighters only might stand a chance against Imperial capitalships if they've lost their shields.

11. Rebel fleet is descrbied as being decimated from Luke's vantage point, with the superlaser incinerating "ship after ship." and later "methodically disintergrated the Rebel ships."

12. Lando suggests that the fleet close to point-blank range against the Imperial fleet, the purpose being that the Death Star won't be able to fire on them without risking hitting Imperial ships.

13. Fleets enaging at point blank, like at the Battle of Coruscant. A Rebel Cruiser, having sustained critical damage ("its back alive with fires and explosions") rams and destoys an Imperial Star Destroyer. Cargo ships loaded with explosives are set on collision courses with Imperial ships.

14. Gold Leader, Red Leader, Blue Leader and Green Wing [the context of the passage is clear that this is one fighter] attack the Communications Ship, which had already been disabled from an engagement with a Rebel Cruiser it had subsequently destroyed. Its damages were reparable however, so the Rebel fighters had to strike while it was still disabled. Green Wing crashes into the destroyer's front batteries, destroying them. Remaining fighters fire into the vessel's open cargo bay, where power reactors are located. Communications Ship is destroyed. Blue Leader is killed in the explosion.

15. Jamming stops immediately after the Communications Ship destruction.

16. Shield around the Death Star is lost. Red Group and Gold Group begin their attack run (total Rebel fighters attacking are described as a horde). As they head to the surface, a still-massing but disorganized TIE fighters chase them.

Note that at this point the Emperor is dead. See RotJ novelization quote about the catastrophic effect of his death on Imperial morale.

17. Three Rebel Star Cruisers attack the Super Star Destroyer at the same time. It is having difficulties with its guidance system.

18. Death Star begins jamming the Rebel fighters as they move along the surface.

19. Rebel fighters enter the Death Star. At some point in their run to the surface (they approached from the finished to the unfinished side) the more complete anti-aircraft defences (as referred to in the novel) combined with the TIE pursuers must've severely depleted the Rebel fighter force.

20. Ackbar gives order to concentrate all firepower on the Super Star Destroyer. Bridge shields fail. Piett orders intensification of forward firepower, but too late. A-Wing collides with the bridge window. Super Star Destroyer goes out of controlled flight and collides with the Death Star.

21. Super Star Destroyer collision only exacerabtes the panic, hysteria, and fear resulting from the Emperor's death. Posts are abandoned, numerous reactors meltdown on the Death Star. Rebel fleet is bombarding the Death Star. One can imagine the crushing effect on Imperial fleet morale the loss of Executor would've had anyway.

22. Gold and Red Leader destroy the Death Star and escape.

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It's very likely, I think, that had the Emperor not been killed the Rebel attack on the Death Star would've been a failure- it's not unreasonable to suppose that had the effects of the Emperor's death not been present, Executor might have put up a more effective defense from her forward batteries, and the TIE response to the Rebel attack might've have been more effective in stopping them from reaching the reactor. In any case, even if the Death Star was beyond saving from the moment the shield went down, had Vader not kileld him, it's more than likely that the Emperor would've promptly escaped and the Imperial fleet could've rallied and used its superior firepower to salvage the outcome.
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If the Empire loses the DSII (i.e. the DS was doomed from the destruction of the shield generator), but the emperor escapes, what is a scenario in which the empire can claim victory in the battle of Endor? I suppose complete destruction of the rebellion would count as a victory, but what would the minimum?
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genkkov wrote:If the Empire loses the DSII (i.e. the DS was doomed from the destruction of the shield generator), but the emperor escapes, what is a scenario in which the empire can claim victory in the battle of Endor? I suppose complete destruction of the rebellion would count as a victory, but what would the minimum?
If they destroy the Rebel fleet anyway in the battle that follows. It'd be a costly "victory" though, but what's a single Death Star?
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How did the rank and file find out about the Emperor's death so quickly? If I recall correctly it seemed like it was at most twenty or thirty minutes between Vader Killing the empire, and the Death Star blowing up, which doesn't seem to be enough time for the Emperor to be found dead, and have the news spread via word of mouth through thousands apon thousands of crew members in the combined fleet...
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Straha wrote:How did the rank and file find out about the Emperor's death so quickly? If I recall correctly it seemed like it was at most twenty or thirty minutes between Vader Killing the empire, and the Death Star blowing up, which doesn't seem to be enough time for the Emperor to be found dead, and have the news spread via word of mouth through thousands apon thousands of crew members in the combined fleet...
If you follow the EU, it's implied (might even be stated openly, I can't recall) that the Emperor used the Force to boost the effectiveness of those under his command. He didn't take direct control, necessarily, but he used his powers to help guide their actions and make them more useful instruments of his will. When he died, that controlling force evaporated and the crews had to cope with the sudden loss of it. That's why they "knew" on a certain level that he was dead, and why the Rebels were able to pull out of the Battle of Endor even though the Empire vastly outnumbered and outgunned them.
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They didn't know he was dead- they didn't need to:
For the first time, the Death Star rocked. The collision with the exploding Destroyer was only the beginning, leading to various systems breakdowns, which led to reactor meltdowns, which led to personnel panic, abandonment of posts, further malfunctions, and general chaos.

Smoke was everywhere, substantial rumblings came from all directions at once, people were running and shouting. Electrical fires, steam explosions, cabin de-pressurizations, disruption of chain-of-command. Added to this, the continued bombardments by Rebel Cruisers- smelling fear in the enemy- merely heightened the sense of hysteria that was already pervasive.

For the Emperor was dead. The central, powerful evil that had been the cohesive force to the Empire was gone; and when the dark side was this diffused, this nondirected- this was simply where it led.

Confusion.

Desperation.

Damp fear.
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If you follow the EU, it's implied (might even be stated openly, I can't recall) that the Emperor used the Force to boost the effectiveness of those under his command. He didn't take direct control, necessarily, but he used his powers to help guide their actions and make them more useful instruments of his will. When he died, that controlling force evaporated and the crews had to cope with the sudden loss of it. That's why they "knew" on a certain level that he was dead, and why the Rebels were able to pull out of the Battle of Endor even though the Empire vastly outnumbered and outgunned them.
Yes, this is cited as the reason for their defeat in the Thrawn Trilogy. I believe it is a form of Battle Meditation, like the type used by Joorus Ca'both and Bastila Shan.
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The one actually using battle meditation was Grand Admiral Declann.
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The one actually using battle meditation was Grand Admiral Declann.
Who's he...?

Since I don't think it would be out of the question for Palpatine to have Battle Meditation... and passively use it.

It might also be the reason why his force lightning on luke was somewhat muted.
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Dakarne wrote:
The one actually using battle meditation was Grand Admiral Declann.
Who's he...?
http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Nial_Declann
It might also be the reason why his force lightning on luke was somewhat muted.
I think Battle Meditation is passive enough that it doesn't interfere with other powers and abilitied like that.
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Even if the Imperial forces were not consciously or subconsciously aware of The Emperor's demise, they would have been hugely demoralized when the Death Star's planetary shield was eliminated. That in itself would likely induce a massive panic. The Executor crashing into the Death Star would escalate this, but honestly, I would be far more unnerved by the first event than the second. Without the planetary shield to protect it, the unfinished DS2 was a sitting duck.

The main mistake on the part of the Empire clearly had nothing to do wiht the space battle, which was still badly mismanaged in typical Imperial Navy fashion, but rather had to do with the security measures at the planetary station. Hindsight is 20/20, but why didn't they locate the station out in the Yuzzum-infested savannas of Endor? Yuzzums are described in the EU as being a heck of a lot stupider than Ewoks, and there would be substantially less cover out in the grasslands for Rebel troops to hide in and plan ambushes.

Going back to the space battle, my big problem with the Imperial defence there, was why was the Executor allowed to maneuver so close to the Death Star? That was pretty dumb...they should have made a point of keeping the Imperial fleet as far away from the DS2 as possible to obviate the risk of either Rebel or Imperial ships colliding with it in the event of a shield failure. Also, keeping the fleet further away would probably make it easier for the superlaser to target a ship (that said, the Rebel's tactic of using Star Destroyers as shields against the superlaser was highly effective and would have negated that advantage).

In closing, hindsight really is 20/20, but one wonders how different things would be if the Emperor had focused more on destroying the Rebels and less on acting out his sadistic fantasies. I mean, why the fuck couldn't he have waited until after the battle to turn Luke Skywalker to the dark side?
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The main mistake on the part of the Empire clearly had nothing to do wiht the space battle, which was still badly mismanaged in typical Imperial Navy fashion, but rather had to do with the security measures at the planetary station. Hindsight is 20/20, but why didn't they locate the station out in the Yuzzum-infested savannas of Endor? Yuzzums are described in the EU as being a heck of a lot stupider than Ewoks, and there would be substantially less cover out in the grasslands for Rebel troops to hide in and plan ambushes
In the Imperial mind, there was no difference between the two, they're both primative non-humans, and standard Imperial arrogance would tell them that neither posed any threat, so they were not considered in the placing of the Shield Complex. After all, Ewoks were labeled "primative non-belligerents."
In closing, hindsight really is 20/20, but one wonders how different things would be if the Emperor had focused more on destroying the Rebels and less on acting out his sadistic fantasies. I mean, why the fuck couldn't he have waited until after the battle to turn Luke Skywalker to the dark side?
When Luke was "captured," Palpatine's focus turned completely to getting himself a new apprentice, and disposing of his old one. The destruction of the alliance was simply a pleasent side-effect of the conflict, and Palpatine was sure that battle would be easily won. You can't think of Palpatine as a rational commander or leader. He was brilliant, but he was also an arrogant megalomaniac, and quite insane. All in all, it was these faults that caused the Empire's failure.
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I agree that there really is an element of insanity to Palpatine's actions in ROTJ. In the Prequel trilogy, he is, in my opinion, extremely sane, but perhaps by the time of ROTJ, he has become senile or otherwise lost his marbles? It could be that his powers are beginning to wane, or that his cognizance has devolved in the years following being more or less cooked in the encounter with Mace Windu. Or perhaps the encounter with Mace Windu permanently damaged him in more than superficial ways.

I don't know, some how I can't see Palpatine doing something as stupid as the Endor affair in the prequel trilogy. By Endor, he truely has become a madman.

To a large extent, his arrogance and megalomania have become firmly entrenched in the organizational culture of the Empire, and are particularly evident in the Imperial Navy, less so in the Imperial Army, which seems more resourceful and aware of its vulnerabilities in the first two films. In ANH, General Tagge and Chief Bast raise concerns about the security of the Death Star only to be scoffed at by Admiral Motti and Grand Moff Tarkin. In TESB, in what could only be described as an act of lethal arrogance, Admiral Ozzel exited hyperspace too close to the Rebel Base, and Darth Vader had to rely on the Army to clean up his mess.

However, by Endor, we can see that the Navy's arrogance has spread to the Army as well, in that the same attitude of invincibility and apathy towards small but potentially deadly details has led to the incredibly stupid placement of the shield generating station in the midst of a deep forest populated by sentient beings with no loyalty at all towards the Empire. There are so many things that could have been done to prevent the Rebels from entering the planetary station, yet none of them were done. As much as the Empire is likeable for its grandeur and sophistication, it's hard not to be revulsed by the routine flashes of mind-numbing stupidity demonstrated by so many Imperial officers.
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In closing, hindsight really is 20/20, but one wonders how different things would be if the Emperor had focused more on destroying the Rebels and less on acting out his sadistic fantasies. I mean, why the fuck couldn't he have waited until after the battle to turn Luke Skywalker to the dark side?


When Luke was "captured," Palpatine's focus turned completely to getting himself a new apprentice, and disposing of his old one. The destruction of the alliance was simply a pleasent side-effect of the conflict, and Palpatine was sure that battle would be easily won. You can't think of Palpatine as a rational commander or leader. He was brilliant, but he was also an arrogant megalomaniac, and quite insane. All in all, it was these faults that caused the Empire's failure.
Also ever the oppertunist Palpatine wantet luke to see the demise of his friends and allies with his own eyes to push him further towards the dark side.
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Also ever the oppertunist Palpatine wantet luke to see the demise of his friends and allies with his own eyes to push him further towards the dark side.
That's something Palpatine could have easily arranged without having to deal with Luke at the time of the battle: Confine Luke to a room with a viewport or a monitor displaying real time images of the battle in progress. That would allow the Emperor and Lord Vader to focus on directing the battle from their vantage point in the observation tower.
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RThurmont wrote:
That's something Palpatine could have easily arranged without having to deal with Luke at the time of the battle: Confine Luke to a room with a viewport or a monitor displaying real time images of the battle in progress. That would allow the Emperor and Lord Vader to focus on directing the battle from their vantage point in the observation tower.
No, that's missing the point. Luke was meant to lash out in anger at the Emperor and duel Vader. He had to be in their presence. The dumb thing was sending the Royal Guards away.
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No, that's missing the point. Luke was meant to lash out in anger at the Emperor and duel Vader. He had to be in their presence. The dumb thing was sending the Royal Guards away.
Interesting. So I take it then that if Luke had been confined, and then brought before Vader and Palpatine after the Rebels had been vanquished, he would have been in more of a sorrowful state then a state of mind where he could lash out in anger? You might have something there...he would in theory be less agitated and more calm after the battle was over, as there would no longer be anything that he could do about it. As a result, it would be harder to turn him under such circumstances. Still, the whole operation seems too shaky...there had to have been a safer way for Palpatine to turn Luke.

About the Royal Guards, I doubt they would have been much help anyway: they strike me as being the single most overrated military unit in the Star Wars galaxy. They never seem to have been able to protect Palpatine from any serious threats. I don't see how they could have prevented the Emperor's demise, unless Vader was so out of it as he threw the Emperor over the ledge that they would be able to shoot him in the process. Even then, I don't see the Emperor surviving that scenario any better. By the way, if anyone more familiar with the Royal Guards than I am can rebut this argument, that would be great, as I would much prefer to be able to regard them as serious threats. For now, I just see a bunch of creepy looking guys in red atire-more ominous in appearance than in actual ability.
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As a side note from the EU, in the old game Rebellion you get a boost to all your imperial officer's abilities as long as you keep the Emperor on Coruscant.

I think that it's impossible to set up a realistic scenario in which the Empire doesn't win the Endor battle. There was a long string of events both before and during the battle itself, each of which could have easily gone very wrong for the rebels. Such play with probabilities is usually attributed to.. the force.
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It might have gone different, if the Imperial Fleet at Endor would have been a real task-force and not a number of ships clobbed together from all over the galaxy.
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I always thought the Imperial fleet at Endor was Death Squadron.
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FTeik wrote:It might have gone different, if the Imperial Fleet at Endor would have been a real task-force and not a number of ships clobbed together from all over the galaxy.
If memory serves, the old ROTJ radio drama has the Emperor state its the local sector fleet.
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Ender wrote:If memory serves, the old ROTJ radio drama has the Emperor state its the local sector fleet.
I asked Wayne about that, he says he couldn't find anything to that effect. *shrug*
It might have gone different, if the Imperial Fleet at Endor would have been a real task-force and not a number of ships clobbed together from all over the galaxy.
I don't think that matters at all, if it were even true (ie. evidence?). It was obviously a prestigious fore, you don't surround the Imperial flagship with cobbled together anything. It's their tactics, their holding back from the beginning, and the death of the Emperor. And a shitload of bad luck.
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With have DeathSquadron there, we have the ships, that transported the Grandadmirals there, we have ships that were from other sectors.

And IF some of the ships are from the local sector-fleet, why should they be elite? Or used to working together in a large fleet-battle? They are basically the backbone of an occupation-force in a sector at the ass of the galaxy.

And as arrogant as the empire was in that battle, why shouldn't they think, that a force "cobbled together" wouldn't be enough?
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By the same token, the Rebellion has not likely fought a battle on this scale before either. Its a rebellion, i.e. guerilla movement, guerilla tactics. Small units of ships ambushing and raiding and all in all keeping themselves dispersed so that the Empire can't wipe them out in one big all or nothing strike.

Granted its been some time but I recall the ROTJ novelization saying that "This is exactly what resistance movements don't do." massing their forces and making one single target for the Empire and gambling more or less the entirety of their organization on the outcome of one battle.

The one thing going for the Rebels is that your average Rebel is going to be vastly more experienced in real combat, even if on a much smaller scale, than your average Imperial crewman. Nearly every Rebel ship is going to have been out there fighting the good fight while there isn't anywhere near the amount of potential for a real fight that would create any meaningful real world experience for even a majority of Imperial crewmen in a fleet of tens of thousands of destroyers that require more than your average pirate cartel is able to operate to make a genuine threat.

This advantage is naturally compensated for by the natural better condition of Imperial hardware and if the Imperial fleet was culled from veteren Rebel fighters.
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Ender wrote:If memory serves, the old ROTJ radio drama has the Emperor state its the local sector fleet.
Vympel wrote:I asked Wayne about that, he says he couldn't find anything to that effect. *shrug*


In this old thread over at the SpaceBattles forum, +http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=13929, there is a person that's also claiming the same thing. I've never heard the radio dramas (nor have I read any transcripts), but it seems as if Ender could remember correctly.
It could've been a combination of the local sector fleet and the Death Squadron.
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