Worst SW EU book

[Stravo]

I was directing my commnets towards all, Daring anyone to find a book worse than Glove of Vadar

I dare you!

Mr Bean, words like those only make me want to go and read the damn thing. Why oh why inflict this upon me?

[Eleas]

"Screw you too, here and back on ASVS. Black Fleet Crisis had some of the best EU moments. The last 200 pages of Tyrant's Test were some of the best in the bits from the entirety of the EU."

Of course, dear, if that's what it takes to make you happy. *pats Greg on the head*

*looks sadly at the stump of his arm*

He bit me!

[Darth Gojira]

Darksaber was the worst?

Have you even read the Black Fleet Crisis? If you haven't then don't. No one should buy those books.

The other really bad one is the Approaching Storm. It sucked. It read like a travel brochure, and it reminded me about 300 times that "Bariss is by the book" (which she wasn't!). Apparently it was written for someone who could not remember that "Bariss was very by the book." It told us that Bariss was "by the book" so many times I wanted to scream! Did I mention that Bariss was "by the book?" Again, if you haven't read it, don't buy it.

I really didn't like I, Jedi, either. Everyone else did, though, so maybe I'm just weird and don't know good writing when I see it. The worst, though, had to be the Black Fleet Crisis.

No, no, you're not alone. Corran Horn gets by vote for worst EU character.

[Darth Gojira]

The only real decent SW EU books are Zahn and a few, very few of the Stackpole/NJO books.




100 POSTS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Naaahh. Zhan was mind numbing, Stackpole sucked, and I'm not even TOUCHING NJO.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Naaahh. Zhan was mind numbing, Stackpole sucked, and I'm not even TOUCHING NJO.

BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!!!!!!

[Darth Yoshi]

You would. But serioiusly, I liked Zhan and Stackpole, and some of the NJO ones are good, like Star by Star. Don't read Dark Journey.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

You would. But serioiusly, I liked Zhan and Stackpole, and some of the NJO ones are good, like Star by Star. Don't read Dark Journey.

Ugh. DJ. How horrible.

[Master of Ossus]

"Have you even read the Black Fleet Crisis? If you haven't then don't. No one should buy those books."

Amen, brother. Preach on.

Screw you too, here and back on ASVS. Black Fleet Crisis had some of the best EU moments. The last 200 pages of Tyrant's Test were some of the best in the bits from the entirety of the EU.

Hey, I posted that bit about how those books sucked. Nothing happened in them. 200 pages does not a 1300 page trilogy make.

[Master of Ossus]

You would. But serioiusly, I liked Zhan and Stackpole, and some of the NJO ones are good, like Star by Star. Don't read Dark Journey.

I still don't understand why that book was created. Did I completely miss its significance? All of the other books in the series seem to totally ignore most of it.

[His Divine Shadow]

I still don't understand why that book was created. Did I completely miss its significance? All of the other books in the series seem to totally ignore most of it.

DJ you mean?
Well there are only two books after it, and they deal somewhat with it.
And those two books are the best books I've read in a LONG while.

[LordShaithis]

Darth Maul Shadow Hunter was okay, considering you KNEW the good guys were doomed. The ending was kinda cool. And I was cool with Dark Journey. It was sort of a quiet interlude after the "Holy shit!" anarchy of Star by Star.

[Crown]

Originally posted by GrandAdmiralPrawn
Darth Maul Shadow Hunter was okay, considering you KNEW the good guys were doomed. The ending was kinda cool. And I was cool with Dark Journey. It was sort of a quiet interlude after the "Holy shit!" anarchy of Star by Star.

I would have to agree with you on the Dark Journey part, but I still think that it could have been a little more!

[Pendragon]

It seems that so far I've been spared from the worst bullcrap. I will take a moment to thank my personal librarian Eleas for this.

*moment passes*

So far of the ones I read only the Thrawn trilogy and the Wraith squadron rose above amusing. And thats amusing on the scale of the movie Commando.
As for the other X-wing books... god I hate that smug, selfrighteous, goody twoshoes, self analytical bastard Corran Horn. And the way the new people always are the ones to die...

Mike Stackpole! You hear me!? I DARE ya to kill someone off who's had more than three lines of introduction!

Where were we?

[Enforcer Talen]

what makes a good sw book?

[Master of Ossus]

what makes a good sw book?

There are a number of things that go into the construction of any book.
1. Characters. I put this at the top because I am a character writer.
2. Plot/story. This is very important because it helps you develop characters and create action and suspense.
3. Strength of language. This is a writer's overall style and fluency. No good writer has ever been lacking in this area, though their styles may have differed greatly.

Into these main categories, a host of smaller categories can be piled. Action, suspense, love interests, and mystery are a few of the examples. Many people would add a symbolic level to the three main categories, but I left that out because most SW books do not have significant symbolic meaning (there are a few exceptions, but they tend to be minor in the scope of the book. For instance, the Ryn are clearly metaphors for Jewish people, but that portion of the book was minor in comparrison to the rest of the story).

The best SW books have plausible plots (within the universe), believable and interesting characters, and engaging writing styles. If you look at Heir to the Empire and that trilogy, the characters are primarily Mara, Luke Leia, and Grand Admiral Thrawn. Pelleon, Lando, Han, and a couple others are supporting characters for those four. All of the characters were interesting, and the plot line was very good. The writing style was engaging, and the action sequences were above average.

Star by Star, one of my personal favorites, had excellent characters (the YV droids and Barabels were both VERY interesting, and the other Jedi and Yuuzhan Vong were very good.). Its plot was fairly good, once you accepted the power of those creatures. It had excellent action sequences (compare those to the ones in Blackhawk Down and you will see what I mean), and it created a sense of suspense. The strength of language was nothing short of superb, and it was bundled nicely into an extremely high-quality novel.

[Master of Ossus]

Darth Maul Shadow Hunter was okay, considering you KNEW the good guys were doomed. The ending was kinda cool. And I was cool with Dark Journey. It was sort of a quiet interlude after the "Holy shit!" anarchy of Star by Star.

I liked the book, but I didn't think that Darsha or Darth Maul were strong enough.

[Lord Ghykon]

Children of the Jedi for me.

I have not read The Crystal Star, Planet of Twilight or The New Rebellion...and judging from some of the comments in here I think I may very well pass on those.

I still have yet to read any NJO books. Which ones are the better ones?

[Master of Ossus]

Children of the Jedi for me.

I have not read The Crystal Star, Planet of Twilight or The New Rebellion...and judging from some of the comments in here I think I may very well pass on those.

I still have yet to read any NJO books. Which ones are the better ones?

Don't read Crystal Star or Planet of Twilight. The New Rebellion was SORT OF interesting, for me. Everyone's right, though. Something was missing from it. And the plot SUCKED.

The best NJO books (IMHO) are: Dark Tide I, Conquest I, Star by Star (DEFINITELY the best of the series), and Rebel Dream/Rebel Stand.

[Kuja]

DJ was fair...to be generous. BFC was lame, lame, lame. The New Rebellion was probably the dumbest of the SW books I've ever read. Good student goes bad, then for no reason sets his sights on the galaxy? Must've thought that up on the crapper.

Quote: Mike Stackpole! You hear me!? I DARE ya to kill someone off who's had more than three lines of introduction!

Ton Phanon of Wraith Squadron. Lasted about halfway through his second book.

Tal'dira of Rogue Squadron. Lasted about halfway through his fourth book.

Riv Shiel of Rogue Squadron. Lasted about a third of the way through his fourth book.

[willburns84]

Gotta say that an entire series / general thread is the worst.

Anything to do with the Vong or Young Vang or living vessel Vorlon Bug wearing wannabes are called. WTF is it with living vessels that manipulate gravity such to create micro black holes, and living creatures seemingly immune to lightsabers and ordinary line warriors the equal to that of a Jedi Master?

Sorry if this has duplicated a previous post, but I just [b][i]had[/i][/b] to get this out of my system.

[Kuja]

Good point, and well made.

BTW, why didn't your bold/italics work?

[willburns84]

Crap. Didn't notice that little bit with bold & italics. Here's a test post.

I read three or four of the NJO series, and I just - no. I'm sorry, I just can't get into something which boils down to Jedi versus the baddies. Oh, the military? They'd lose without the Jedi. Don't get me wrong, I love the Jedi, but they aren't the be all - end all to fighting.

I'm an army brat and know one thing. Although the special forces are superb at what they do, they typically don't win wars - and I'm talking about Total War. I'm talking about world war scale conflagrations. But that's off subject...

[Kuja]

No no no...feel free to point out everything the NR is doing wrong in the 'Chalk up success of YV invasion to NR Imcompetance?' thread.

And have fun doing it!

[Master of Ossus]

I agree that the Jedi should not be able to beat up on an entire race. I also agree that the Yuuzhan Vong's bioships are stupid.

I do NOT agree that the Yuuzhan Vong warriors are equal to Jedi. If they were, the Jedi would have been wiped out, already. Incidentally, anyone who didn't like SbS in spite of its minor flaws is REALLY weird. SbS is just a good book.

[willburns84]

I'll admit I have not read "Star by Star." I haven't had the urge, but since one of the vaunted and worshiped Skywalker/Solo clan buys the farm, I'm tempted to pick it up.

I was exaggerating about the YV warrior being the equal to a Jedi Master. My point was that the line warriors are vastly superior to the ordinary John and Jane Smiths of the Star Wars universe. Now, I realize that was done to make the Jedi the focus of the story, but then we go right back to my problem: The Jedi - the special forces, are going to win the war for the New Republic, with its nigh limitless resources to draw upon for the act of Total War. Yes, yes, the New Republic has been incredibly STUPID in dealing with the YV.
Me: "Hey, there's this race of beings that has invaded NR space and is going to kill everyone that gets in their way. They don't believe in negotiation. They do not believe in any peace that does not involve bathing in the blood of any who is not of their species. How are you going to deal with them?"
New Republic Politico: "Blame the Jedi for the problem."