The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Sky Captain » 2019-10-24 04:20pm

Would a large landing deck really be necessary for space carrier? Spacecraft don't have a stall speed. A returning strike craft could just match velocity with carrier and descend back in a launch tube. You may want some other means of recovery to get onboard damaged craft that have limited maneuverability, but a large airlock with some grappling arms leading to repair facilities should be enough. Battlestar landing decks always have felt to me like huge waste of space when zero G environment would allow much more volume efficient layout

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2019-10-24 04:31pm

What you say is perfectly true except for something that BSG demonstrated in it's opening miniseries - combat landings. Usually ships fly in, land on an elevator directly and get taken into the hanger. But when the ship needs to bug out, you need a large deck to get as many planes as possible landed in the shortest span of time.

And I did say that the Kobolians would have some influence on the designs. The main differences between the Yorktowns and Battlestars is that the planes land from the front and the landing decks don't run the whole length of the ship.
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Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by DKeith2011 » 2019-10-24 06:32pm

What is the projected carry capacity of the Yorktowns?

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2019-10-24 06:55pm

Given that they're the same length as Lionhearts but have both a higher volume and a much larger percentage dedicated to fighters, I'm thinking something in the region of 500-550, given that Tau'ri fighters are larger than Vipers and Cobras. A mix of F-302B Lightnings, F/A-308 Thunderbolts and B-309 Marauder bombers, plus a EW/AWACS version of the Marauders that I'll call, um, E-309 Sentinels.

To keep things distinct, I'm going to have the USN operate twelve-plane squadrons in contrast to the twenty-plane units in the Kobolian forces. So probably something like 240 Lightnings, 192 Thunderbolts, 72 Marauders and 24 of the Sentinels, for a total of 528 strike craft.

The trade-off for this increased fighter/bomber capacity is the Yorktown is less maneuverable, slower accelerating and much more lightly armed - probably just the same 500/80 mix of laser cannons and coilgun turrets that Dreadnought has and perhaps a single, forward twin heavy coilgun turret (the ~1.3 megaton a shot version, not the hypervelocity guns on Jupiter). Combine that with powerful shields and very powerful sensors, ECM and ECCM gear.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by DKeith2011 » 2019-10-24 08:12pm

So maybe we will be seeing Tau'ri escorts hulls soon then. Gotta protect that investment.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by jayel » 2019-10-24 09:03pm

Eternal_Freedom wrote:
2019-10-24 04:31pm
The main differences between the Yorktowns and Battlestars is that the planes land from the front and the landing decks don't run the whole length of the ship.

ok scenario, your carrier is running like hell to avoid destruction by what ever. your fighters need to out run the carrier they should be protecting to land rather than landing from a stern chase, yeah that makes a lot of sense

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by fnord » 2019-10-24 11:03pm

Since you don't have enough shout outs (</sarcasm>), how about Charlie Davenport as Yorktown's captain? (in The Hunt For Red October movie, at least, he drove Enterprise).
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2019-10-25 12:53pm

jayel wrote:
2019-10-24 09:03pm
Eternal_Freedom wrote:
2019-10-24 04:31pm
The main differences between the Yorktowns and Battlestars is that the planes land from the front and the landing decks don't run the whole length of the ship.

ok scenario, your carrier is running like hell to avoid destruction by what ever. your fighters need to out run the carrier they should be protecting to land rather than landing from a stern chase, yeah that makes a lot of sense
Hmm..good point. I'll need to rethink some of the design elements then.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by DKeith2011 » 2019-10-25 06:53pm

My suggestions for the Yortown model.

Keep the general shape of the Poseidon.

Drop the engine block and gravity spin section.

Mirror the forward superstructure (minus the bridge stack, unless you want the bridge stack at the back) in place of the engine block and gravity section. This would line up the stacked oval openings as the ends of full length tunnel decks.

Fighters can land from either end and the tunnels should be spacious enough for emergency combat recovery. Add some internal shields and blast doors as safety features of course. Tracks and elevators move recovered fighters from the tunnel(s) into the appropriate hanger section.

Engine vents should fit nicely into the open areas to either side of the aft tunnels.

Point defense weapons would cover the tunnels to prevent sucker-punches and kamikaze runs. Same goes for the lateral launch tubes.


Thoughts?

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2019-10-25 07:08pm

Certainly thought-provoking. I'll mull it over this weekend, hopefully I should have another actual chapter up soon as well.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by fnord » 2019-10-29 01:20am

DKeith2011 wrote:
2019-10-24 08:12pm
So maybe we will be seeing Tau'ri escorts hulls soon then. Gotta protect that investment.
Would said escorts simply be Tau'ri-built Legends? Design is battle-proven, systems integration has already been done, some lessons have already been learned, etc. Or would they be too much ship for the escort role if your mob ain't Kobolian?
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by DKeith2011 » 2019-10-29 02:01am

iirc, EF has said that that the Tau'ri will be building their own designs rather than adopting the Kobolians.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2019-10-29 01:21pm

Indeed. I am toying with the idea of the Brits converting their 304's into pure gun boats, mostly by swapping out the hangers for another four plasma beams, an extra pair of coilgun turrets and some more missile cells. I'm thinking there would be "escort carriers" built as well, that only carry Lightnings and maybe Thunderbolts but no bombers.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by DKeith2011 » 2019-10-29 01:26pm

Gonna need a speadsheet to keep track of all these designs...

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2019-10-29 01:29pm

I just have a long list, and a good memory :)
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by fnord » 2019-11-02 04:16am

E_F, how's the next chapter coming?
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by dxe131 » 2019-11-04 12:28pm

So, if this is Book II, where might I find Book I?

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by DKeith2011 » 2019-11-04 04:44pm

If the Brits go all gunboat will there be a Thunderchild in the fleet? Just finished a re-read of War of The Worlds.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2019-11-04 04:57pm

Actually I was thinking that if the Brits build a second battleship it'd be called Thunder Child. As for the next chapter, it's coming. Hopefully should have something this weekend.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by fnord » 2019-11-04 08:16pm

What about calling the new dreadnought HMS Implacable or Indefatigable? I guess HMS Embuggerance would be taking too much of the piss.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2019-11-05 11:41am

Implacable is a good option, but as much as I love Indefatigable it hits the same issue as using Invincible, namely that whole "blowing up from a single salvo at Jutland" thing. Besides, I can always drop in a mention of a public petition to use the name Thunder Child after a highly-successful BBC series was aired in-universe between Book II and Book III :)
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by dxe131 » 2019-11-05 12:51pm

DKeith2011 wrote:
2019-11-05 10:29am
@dxe131, The Thirteenth Tribe
Thanks.

Minor point of order - hangErs are for clothEs, and hAngArs are for AirplAnes (and other things that fly). :wink:

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by fnord » 2019-11-05 08:30pm

Eternal_Freedom wrote:
2019-11-05 11:41am
Implacable is a good option, but as much as I love Indefatigable it hits the same issue as using Invincible, namely that whole "blowing up from a single salvo at Jutland" thing. Besides, I can always drop in a mention of a public petition to use the name Thunder Child after a highly-successful BBC series was aired in-universe between Book II and Book III :)
Not Boaty McBoatface? :D

Somewhat more seriously, recycling the names of one of the Resolution-class SSBN? (Resolution, Repulse, Renown, Revenge)
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