The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-07 01:52pm

Funnily enough I've seen both Hecate and Nike used as heavy Battlestar names before.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-07 02:18pm

Where? One of the BSGO You Tube vids, or one of the other GINO fan vids?
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-07 02:28pm

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:
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Where? One of the BSGO You Tube vids, or one of the other GINO fan vids?
Nope, the Lady Hecate fanfic. A bloody great epic but quite good nevertheless. Centres on Admiral Seralanna Chase and the Battlestar Hecate, a Nike class ship.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-07 02:34pm

Ah, okay.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Sky Captain » 2018-05-07 04:37pm

fnord wrote:
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I didn't think E_F was cribbing that much from Traveller, to be honest.

Actually, I can think of one lesson learned from Nemesis - better shock isolation for command spaces. Frinstance when the chart table decided it didn't like the look of Davies and had a bang at him.
Maybe they should fit seat belts. If inertial compensators can't compensate for collisions then seat belts would be good idea.

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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-08 11:07am

Except, that wouldn't do the top commanders any good, because they're standing.

E_F: Am almost 200 pages into Lady Hecate, which is basically Kris Longknife translated to the GINO verse. Not bad at all, though it makes me wonder how she'd stack up against Nemesis.

Appreciate the heads up.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-08 11:57am

Hecate as written would die and die very quickly. She's only about one-half to two-thirds the length, carries fewer weapons (projectile weapons to boot), has no shields and nothing to stop the superlaser from blowing her in half (or up completely) from 20000 km away.

Funnily enough, I envision Eridanus as looking something like either Hecate or the Prometheus from the fanfic of that name.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-08 12:14pm

Ghetto edit: The Titan would also be a good fit for the size/look of Eridanus.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-08 12:42pm

So Nemesis wildly outranges her as well.

And, Eridanus is thick and wide, but not long, relative to the other large Colonial battlestars. Okay.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-08 12:47pm

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:
2018-05-08 12:42pm
So Nemesis wildly outranges her as well.

And, Eridanus is thick and wide, but not long, relative to the other large Colonial battlestars. Okay.
Nah I think I stated the Eridanus was 2,200 metres compared to 1,790 or so for the Mercury's. Not sure about width, I'm not stating that any of those three are "definitive" versions of the Constellation-class ships, just something to give the idea. The Connies are Mercurys on steroids - add about 1/4 the length, wide, deeper, longer pods, more turrets (a lot more turrets) and so on.
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“I’ve always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.” - Confederate General George Pickett, on being asked why his charge at Ghettysburg failed

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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-08 12:50pm

So you did. Canis D's Titan just looked shorter and fatter. Kinda like my older brother.

Gee, could the author make it any more obvious who Zoe Avalon really is?
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-08 12:56pm

Actually Canis D's Titan is in fact longer, there is a size comparison chart that clocks the Titan in the 2400m mark.
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-08 10:50pm

So, there is. Appearances can be deceiving,
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Sky Captain » 2018-05-09 04:01pm

If you think about it superlaser is a huge force multiplier. Say you have 10 heavy Battlestars and enemy forces you are ambushing have 10 comparable capital ships. You jump into position fire and enemy heavy forces are gone. Only escorts if any have to be dealt with. Without superlasers such engagement would turn into a prolonged battle causing you to loose several ships and remaining ships heavily damaged.

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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-09 04:34pm

This is spot on. This is why in every engagement either superlaser-equipped ship has participated in getting off the first shot has resulted in a major advantage, hell even the wargame I mentioned in chapter one between Phoenix and Temeraire resulted in Fireman's only loss because White Knight one-shotted the other Battlestar.

This engagement was somewhat odd because they hit the shipyard not a capital ship, but as Ba'al points out, with that gone he's effectively lost anyway, no more Basestars and no way to replace losses, all in one shot.

EDIT: Of course, Terran doctrine is to avoid "equal" fights as much as possible. Do everything you can to avoid engaging the enemy on equal terms in gun range. Be that minefields (Atlantis), superlasers (many battles), Scimitar strikes, destroyer strikes, ambushes, concentration of overwhelming force and so on.

This doctrine will naturally have to change once in the Haloverse as they will be substantially outnumbered and can't bring the entire Combined Fleet along.
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Post by LadyTevar » 2018-05-10 04:46pm

Why not just name them after the Gods? You already have Prometheus.
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-10 05:13pm

That's a good thought, but the Tau'ri still have their Prometheus, and all eight Colonial Legend class cruisers are named after the Lords.

Suppose I could have the Jupiter or the Thanatos or the Chronos. Maybe the Triumphant, Unity or Kobol.

Actually, Unity sounds pretty good. Since I've got Nemesis I'm thinking concepts/ideals rather than Gods or Lords. Unity seems quite fitting, what with the fact that the Warstars are built using Kobolian and Asgard technology with help and idea from the Tau'ri.
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-10 10:35pm

Why not angels, as Nemesis is one?
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-11 01:46pm

Because Terran/Colonial mythology doens't seem to contain "angels" as common in Abrahamic religions, so justifying the name in-universe would be hard.

Unless someone comes up with a better name, Unity it is.
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-11 07:41pm

Skoal.
"Beware the Beast, Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone amongst God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him, drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of Death.."
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Post by fnord » 2018-05-11 08:30pm

Marathon ?
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-11 10:44pm

Boudiccaa ?
"Beware the Beast, Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone amongst God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him, drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of Death.."
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-12 03:39pm

Nope, nope and nope. Those names work because of Earth history and Terra is not Earth.
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“I’ve always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.” - Confederate General George Pickett, on being asked why his charge at Ghettysburg failed

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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-12 06:12pm

Unity it is then. Cool.
"Beware the Beast, Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone amongst God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him, drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of Death.."
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-05-12 06:23pm

Yeah, naming ships in a human-but-not-Earth culture is surprisingly difficult.
"I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams" - Hamlet

“I’ve always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.” - Confederate General George Pickett, on being asked why his charge at Ghettysburg failed

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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