The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-04-04 11:12pm

fnord wrote:
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Will America be the exception among the Tau'ri by having its air force, rather than its navy, operate starships?

HMS Dreadnought rocks out again!
More than likely naval and air force aviators will operate America's, France's and Great Britain's starships, while Russia will probably draw its crews from their air force exclusively.
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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-05 12:14pm

America, France, Russia and China will draw on Air Force personnel. Britain, however, will utilise the Royal Navy. Because it's a battleship damnit!

As for artwork, I can't draw or model to save my life, but if someone wants to ask for a general description and feels like drawing them, go right ahead.
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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-04-05 01:34pm

Why don't you ask Zor? His art's pretty good.
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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-04-05 01:41pm

Eternal_Freedom wrote:
2018-04-05 12:14pm
America, France, Russia and China will draw on Air Force personnel. Britain, however, will utilise the Royal Navy. Because it's a battleship damnit!
Figure the FAA would operate the battlewagon, but wouldn't the RAF at least operate the 302s? Or, will the Fleet Air Arm fly those as well?
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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-05 01:42pm

Good shout Up Cinnabar.

Nope, the Fleet Air Arm will fly the 302's that will be stationed on the (eventual) 3 British 304's. The Dreadnought will carry no fighters. And the RAF get to keep the ground-based 302 squadrons.
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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-04-05 01:45pm

Oh, okay, she's going to be an all big-gun/missile platform. Gotcha.

And, any time.
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-05 01:49pm

This is why I said the three "heavy" designs reflect historical trends. So the Yanks are building supercarriers with only PD armament, the Brits are build a big-gun dreadnought, designed for all-out ship to ship brawls. The Russians are building heavy missile cruisers, aimed at speed, nimbleness and long-range punch.
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-04-05 02:04pm

And, then we shall see which design decisions are vindicated in combat against the Covies.
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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-05 02:36pm

Eventually.
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“I’ve always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.” - Confederate General George Pickett, on being asked why his charge at Ghettysburg failed

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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by fnord » 2018-04-06 07:26am

How long until we see the starship HMS Barham ? :mrgreen:
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-06 04:49pm

Never. The Tau'ri know of the First Battle of Terra, and what that Battlestar did. They will not use the name out of respect. Plus their own former HMS Barham died a painful and tragic death, so not exactly an inspiring choice of name for the crews:

"Welcome aboard the new HMS Barham! The last ship to bear this time was destroyed in battle barely a month after being commissioned! And the one before that got gut-punched by a submarine and then exploded!" Yeah...
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Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by LadyTevar » 2018-04-06 06:28pm

May I suggest when you do start posting the new story, start a new thread?
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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-06 06:30pm

Oh definitely. I'm still using this one for discussion though since I want to start the new thread with an actual story post. Eventually I'll see about cross-posting this one to FF.net, and/or add it to Completed/Cleaned Up Stories.
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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by fnord » 2018-04-06 11:32pm

Whoops, serves me right for being that thick. :oops:

E_F, do you want me to do a final nitpick pass on your current version before you post it in toto?

One thing that does jump out for me, off top of head, is the Asgard reaction to the false vacuum event , then later on, mentioning they all go switchoff (with their human allies keeping watch).
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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by Sky Captain » 2018-04-07 01:05am

What kind of small craft American supercarriers will have? 302's are of little use against heavy ships, especially shielded ones. They will need something like Terran bombers in large numbers to be effective.

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Post by DKeith2011 » 2018-04-07 01:15am

I'm gonna guess that the Tau'ri will have that covered. There are probably any number of purpose built small craft on the drawing boards.

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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-04-07 01:23pm

FA-302s, maybe, or even FA- or possibly PG(PT/M)308 gunships similar to the Kobolians' own Scythes, plus 302s for general fleet defense.
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Post by DKeith2011 » 2018-04-07 03:11pm

I might know someone that can do some quick are of the Tau'ri ships if you want to kick out some brief descriptions.

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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-07 03:31pm

DKeith, that would be appreciated, please PM me and I'll write something up.

Sky Captain: The Yank Supercarriers will indeed carry a full range of small craft, in the same way as...I was about to say as modern Yank carriers do, but at present they're only fying F/A-18's in various versions, so that's a bad comparison. Think late Cold War air wings, you'd have fleet-defence fighters, attack fighters, anti-sub fighters, AWACS birds, the lot.

Basically, if you recall that conversation we had about specialist hulls months ago? This is basically what you get. Each of these three designs is the same size as a Terran cruisers. One is all-strikecraft, one is all-big-gun, one is missile-heavy.
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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-12 01:50pm

Good news!

I've started writing the sequel. Keep your eyes peeled for "The 13th Tribe Book Two: A Symphony of War," coming soon!
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“I’ve always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.” - Confederate General George Pickett, on being asked why his charge at Ghettysburg failed

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Post by DKeith2011 » 2018-04-12 02:35pm

WOOHOO!!!

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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-12 04:26pm

Since I'm calling the sequel Book II: A Symphony of War, I suppose I should come up with a name for Book I. Perhaps "The Great Exodus?"
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“I’ve always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.” - Confederate General George Pickett, on being asked why his charge at Ghettysburg failed

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Post by DKeith2011 » 2018-04-12 06:52pm

I like the sound of that.

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Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-13 12:08pm

The Great Exodus it is then!
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“I’ve always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.” - Confederate General George Pickett, on being asked why his charge at Ghettysburg failed

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Re: The Thirteenth Tribe (nBSG/SG Crossover)

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-04-14 10:26am

The sequel is begun:

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"I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams" - Hamlet

“I’ve always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.” - Confederate General George Pickett, on being asked why his charge at Ghettysburg failed

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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