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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby U.P. Cinnabar » 2016-05-31 10:47am

What makes you think the Goa'uld, particularly Annubis or Baal, wouldn't side with the space Krauts?!

Or those Ori dickheads, for that matter?
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby Borgholio » 2016-05-31 10:59am

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:What makes you think the Goa'uld, particularly Annubis or Baal, wouldn't side with the space Krauts?!

Or those Ori dickheads, for that matter?


The Goa'uld are too proud to consider themselves mere equals to the Nazis. They would want to dominate them as masters. The Nazis likewise would consider the Goa'uld to be subhuman parasites (which in fact they are), and would want them exterminated. If (and that's a big if) they work together to fight a common foe, they would be subverting each other at every opportunity.

The Ori would be much the same. They would want the Nazis to worship them and the "Superior Aryian Race" would not want to bow to anyone or anything.
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2016-05-31 11:00am

Well the Nazis don't like aliens and wouldn't worship the Goa'uld as Gods, or let them be in charge, so yeah, it'd get messy.
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby Borgholio » 2016-05-31 11:57am

Which story was it again where they came across the Goa'uld and Worf slew Cronos?
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby Steve » 2016-05-31 04:27pm

Borgholio wrote:Which story was it again where they came across the Goa'uld and Worf slew Cronos?


The TGG Multiverse story "One Small Step" had Worf killing Zeus, not Cronos.

And dammit, my replies from last night kept getting eaten, my phone couldn't stay logged into SDN for some reason. I was going to say I didn't mean to imply that only Thanas would consider the outcome a nightmare, and that as I recall, I went to him to make sure I got Lamper's rank correct (since the RL rank of "Käpitan-zur-See" would obviously not go for a space fleet).


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Was this a mis-post? I'm not sure I get where this statement has context in this thread?

And EF, glad to know you've enjoyed what we have so far and are looking forward to next season's stories. :)
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby Steve » 2016-05-31 04:32pm

Borgholio wrote:I'm loving this story so far, especially the action scenes. Anything that involves smashing Nazis is just pure fun. :) Question for you Steve...did you ever explain just how much space the Nazis actually control?



Sorry, missed this one.

Glad you're loving it. I do try with the action scenes. And yeah, smashing Nazis is fun.

As for your question, I never outright stated it. I do imagine that they control a fairly large portion of space at the moment. Their ideology would support constant expansion; ever more lebensraum for the Aryan Race to grow and fight the other species of the galaxy.

Of course... that may be something of a weakness as much of a strength, since there's always the risk of over-expansion stretching you thin.
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby U.P. Cinnabar » 2016-05-31 06:04pm

Steve wrote:
U.P. Cinnabar wrote:71 years. Never have insomnia and do math at the same time.



Was this a mis-post? I'm not sure I get where this statement has context in this thread?


A ghetto edit to my first reply to you.
"When you send a man out with a gun, you create a policymaker. When his ass is on the line, he will do whatever he needs to do.

And, if the implications of that bother you, the time to do something about it is before you send him out."
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby Burak Gazan » 2016-05-31 08:31pm

If you really have the urge to be unkind, have them run into some one who makes their fascism and racism a giggle fest. If The Doctor is around, well, usually his 'ole pals aren't far off.... Daleks :twisted:
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Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2016-05-31 08:42pm

They already met the Daleks. It did not end well. Control's only advice on defeating them was "Find the Doctor."
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby Burak Gazan » 2016-05-31 08:45pm

And, apparently, they will. The NAZI's are stupid enough and arrogant enough to try and take them on. Even one Dalek would be all you need. Good guys RUN, NAZIs get turned into screaming, smouldering chowder. Works for me
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Postby Borgholio » 2016-06-01 08:26am

I think the Daleks are too much even for the Nazis. My vote is still for Nazis vs Goa'uld, although there are other bad guys out there that would be a nice match. Nazis vs Draka? Nazis vs Zerg?
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Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2016-06-01 08:51am

Nazis vs Replicators?

Also, i initially read that last suggestion as Nazis vs Zoidberg for some reason :D
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby Borgholio » 2016-06-01 08:57am

Eternal_Freedom wrote:
Also, i initially read that last suggestion as Nazis vs Zoidberg for some reason :D


Now now...we don't want the poor Nazis to suffer TOO much.
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Postby Steve » 2016-06-01 07:33pm

Heh, now that the season's over, I'll comment on one of the changes from my original plans (besides adding two episodes - "Past Mistakes" and "The Survival of Hope" - to the season).

Originally, Worf and Data were not the ones who would have joined them in 1-14. Instead the end of 1-14 would have had a scene in Nechayev's office in Starfleet HQ where she states that despite the Council's decision to stay out of the war directly, she wanted to make sure they had extra assistance in tracking down and securing the Darglan Facility. So she assigns them an agent, one of her best, who is no longer officially in Starfleet.

And yeah, you're already guessing that agent, and you're right: Mackenzie Calhoun, a.k.a. M'k'n'zy of Calhoun, a.k.a. Mac the Bastard. Or as I like to call him, Mackenzie Fucking Calhoun. This of course would have predated the New Frontier stuff by 2 years, so he's not a Captain yet, just a former Starfleet Officer doing black ops intel work for Nechayev.

Now, you might ask... why did I not go through with this? After all, Calhoun is a popular Memetic Badass of the Trek EU these days.

The answer is threefold.

One: I admit that later New Frontier books are not to my liking, and the last one - "Blind Man's Bluff" - finally had me wash my hands of the series, as I felt Peter David was becoming too enamored with killing people off just for the "shock value" (witness the killings of the Trident crew in the prior book and the slaughter of Xenex in that particular volume), and I felt his "D'myurj" enemies were more annoying than interesting, and the Brethern were such a blatant nod to Sontarans that it felt more like parody or rip-off than homage. As a result, my interest in having Mac show up waned.

Two: By the time I was getting up to writing 1-14, Worf and then Data seemed better choices. This is pre-Way of the Warrior and post-Generations, after all, so they were available. They worked better in having interactions with the crew (especially the Delgado sisters). And in the case of Worf, it was amusing to me as an in-joke because in the original stories, he was one of the characters I poached for the hero crew, so having him join this crew even temporarily was a nod to that old (crappy) storyline.

Three: Two words. Commander Shepard. While having Mac and Shepard kick ass together sounds really cool and that was very much my original idea, I later thought it might have been a bit redundant to have both Memetic Badasses, even if their skill sets are slightly different. Worf and Data complemented her addition better because they clearly had more diverse roles for the idea of helping the Aurora crew train and prepare for the operation.
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby U.P. Cinnabar » 2016-06-02 12:49am

I was frankly expecting Kirk or Picard to join up for a bit. Since Kirk is still alive in the Trek EU. I'd forgotten about Calhoun, and frankly, he's a bit forgettable, to be honest.
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Postby Steve » 2016-06-02 09:08am

The Shatner novels with Kirk still alive in the post-TNG period are semi-EU, I believe, and I'm not counting them. In the original version of this written in the late 90s, I did actually have them get Kirk... but it was done in a wanky way and I'm not doing that again.
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Postby U.P. Cinnabar » 2016-06-02 11:33am

Thank fuck for that, because the Shatner/Reeves-Stevenses Kirk novels were just...bad.

Disappointing too, as the Reeves-Stevenses were the authors behind the only ST novel I ever cared for, Federation.
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Postby Steve » 2016-06-02 06:21pm

Federation was a great novel, to the point that First Contact was a let down compared to their portrayal of Cochrane's first warp flight.

The only Shatner book I really enjoyed was the first. "Ashes of Eden".
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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby U.P. Cinnabar » 2016-06-03 06:37am

Steve wrote:Federation was a great novel, to the point that First Contact was a let down compared to their portrayal of Cochrane's first warp flight.

The only Shatner book I really enjoyed was the first. "Ashes of Eden".


I'll go to my grave saying Federation should have been made into a movie, instead of Generations, but....

I have the sketchy outline for an AU where the Optimum still controls Earth, and created the Federation, somewhere around here. Best, if I don't find it, I think.
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And, if the implications of that bother you, the time to do something about it is before you send him out."
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"Oh, but you did! You turn on any of my crew, you turn on me! But, since that's a concept you can't seem to wrap your head around, then, you've got no place here. You did it to me, Jayne, and that's a fact."

—Malcolm Reynolds, captain of the Firefly-class hauler Serenity,in a nutshell

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Re: "Seeking the Past" - "Undiscovered Frontier" Season 1

Postby astrospace2020 » 2016-06-24 03:06pm

great story so far


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