SW Fan Continuity After TUF

[Master_Baerne]

As inspired by the recent Invincible Spoilers thread, I shall be endeavoring to create an alternate, more palatable timeline for Star Wars, starting after NJO. Any ideas or help people wish to contributer would be both appreciated and very useful.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I have an idea I'm developing for a replacement to the DH Legacy arc, seperated by more like 1000-2000 years ahead of ROTJ, and dealing with a Second Empire. Perhaps we should roll this back to before NJO, we the caveat that the basic NJO concept must be retained but reinterpreted/redone?

[Darth Hoth]

I read it was Salvatore alone who tacked on the biowank to make the Vong "distinctive" or some other crap. If we redo the Invasion, can we skip that rather lame stuff? The Aztec religion could still go... or not, depending on consensus.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Figures, Salvatore is not a good author, and his book was some of the most openly shitty science. "Its the Fourth State of Matter! Its below freezing! Reflecting the magic googly brain thing's magic 'energy' will cause evaporation and somehow abnormally cool the moon!" Like the entire climax of the first novel was thermodynamically impossible. I don't know what to say or think about it aside from the in-universe heroes must've had no idea what the techies on the shield ships were really doing.

I don't mind their technology being somewhat different and their culture radical. Personally I think extragalactic invasions are pretty ridiculous regardless due to logistic constraints. Or unless Anor had hatched a much deeper and more powerful crisis on a galactic level than that stupid Rhammamol or whatever crap.

[General Soontir Fel]

As I said on the Revelation review thread, I prefer to treat Dark Nest and LOTF as in-universe fiction.

As for real continuity, I'd suspect following two small rules would greatly improve things:

1. Not everything has to be a galactic-wide crisis. There's plenty of room for interesting story arcs dealing with localized issues during the reconstruction after the Yuuzhang Vong War (We see almost no impact from it in canon, besides the Mandalorians whining how the New Republic didn't help them.) If I was in charge of immediate post-NJO continuity, I'd tell writers that galactic crises aren't allowed until the older generation (Luke, Han, Leia, Mara, Lando, etc.) are dead.

2. When Boba Fett thinks every major conflict in the history of the galaxy except the Yuuzhan Vong War was Jedi vs. Sith, it's an exaggeration, but not by much. Writers keep rehashing the same things--Jedi and Sith, Alliance and Empire, Republic turning into an Empire... The second rule would be not allowing anything that can be summarized in one sentence the same way as an already existing story arc. By the way, Traviss' Mandalorian stuff, by itself, passes on that criterion, but it wouldn't be nearly so obnoxious if we had an arc solely about Mandalorians--the problem is how every other character thinks that Mandos are TEH AWESOME, and how wonderful they're portrayed to be compared to everyone else.

[Ender]

2. When Boba Fett thinks every major conflict in the history of the galaxy except the Yuuzhan Vong War was Jedi vs. Sith, it's an exaggeration, but not by much.

I can't think of an example he was wrong about, nor can I really think of anything wrong with it being that way. If your society lasts for that long you have to have almost no major wars, and everyone needs to be more or less content (with the later feeding the former)

In either case I had thought of something and started a bit while I was on last cruise - think Starship Troopers + Fiasco set for the events immediately after Endor covering how the Empire's military fell apart from the POV of a young spacer in the military. Starts with the conclusion of the Clone Wars, jumps to enlisting, covers training and first cruise, OCS, another cruise, ends with Endor. Next "book" goes on from there. Idea is to cover the Empire as a functioning entity, examine how people came to support it and believe in it, and how actual events unfolded exposing what was wrong with the Empire (as a political system, not as Palpy's life drainer)

[Illuminatus Primus]

This is easy. Unification Wars. Alaskan-Coruscant Conflict. Kantz (spl?) Disorders. Mandalorian War (sort of). Stark Hyperspace War. Much of the Civil Wars. Yuuzhan Vong War. Swarm War. I also agree that the Sith should not always been the bastard children of the Jedi and not every conflict need be secretly set up by them. Why can't they just exploit existing chaos and problems? Though as Ender notes, for the Republic and static society to have been for so long requires more or less an "end to history" as Hegel or Fukuyama would put it.

[Ender]

This is easy. Unification Wars.

Ended with the founding of the republic, unifying everything. At least that was my read of it. Either way, pre-republic.

Alaskan-Coruscant Conflict.

Not a pan galactic war.

Kantz (spl?) Disorders.

Part of the Old Sith War.

Mandalorian War (sort of).

They were part of the Sith Forces that kept fighting after Kun and Qel-Droma were deposed. For me that is clearly JvS.

Stark Hyperspace War.

A week long siege of a mountain cave by pirates is not a war.

Much of the Civil Wars.

Direct outgrowth of Jedi vs Sith. Saying that the Civil War stuff and the Kanz Disorders are not part of the lager Jedi vs Sith war is like saying the current problems in Iraq are not part of the invasion.

Yuuzhan Vong War.

Stated exception

Swarm War.

Granted not Jedi vs Sith, but still Darkside forces creating the disruption. Also, did not involve the galaxy at large - most it bothered the Republic was a few terrorist attacks and a drug problem.

Only real war I can find that is not JvS is The Pius Dea Crusades.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Kantz (spl?) Disorders.

Part of the Old Sith War.

Proof? First I've heard of it.

They were part of the Sith Forces that kept fighting after Kun and Qel-Droma were deposed. For me that is clearly JvS.

The Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders were a large scale movement (at least a region-spanning threat). They were founded by some of the survivors of Qel-Droma's Mandalorian allies, but they are distinct. They built up a multi-species culture and coalition in their own right over decades, then launched a general war.

Much of the Civil Wars.

Direct outgrowth of Jedi vs Sith. Saying that the Civil War stuff and the Kanz Disorders are not part of the lager Jedi vs Sith war is like saying the current problems in Iraq are not part of the invasion.

Much of the existing conflicts are due at least as much to Palpatine's machinations as to existing conflicts and pressures. The Imperial holdouts and the Yevetha et al were much their own thing. If there's a general civil war in Iraq the activation energy so to speak was delievered by the U.S. invasion but really its the product of existing pressures and conflicts.

For the most part, granted though.

[Ender]

Kantz (spl?) Disorders.

Part of the Old Sith War.

Proof? First I've heard of it.

Kanz Disorders

During the Old Sith Wars,

The Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders were a large scale movement (at least a region-spanning threat). They were founded by some of the survivors of Qel-Droma's Mandalorian allies, but they are distinct. They built up a multi-species culture and coalition in their own right over decades, then launched a general war.

To me, this is a bit like claiming that Al-Queda is separate from the afganis we funded in the 80s. Led by the same guys, based from the same area, using most of the same tech. But different grunts and became a power years later.

Much of the existing conflicts are due at least as much to Palpatine's machinations as to existing conflicts and pressures. The Imperial holdouts and the Yevetha et al were much their own thing. If there's a general civil war in Iraq the activation energy so to speak was delievered by the U.S. invasion but really its the product of existing pressures and conflicts.

Same can be said of WW1 and WW2, yet we speak of each of them as one large war, rather then going into explicit details about the different serbian states and the german population and economy.

For the most part, granted though.

Indeed. I edited my earlier post about the story, thoughts?

[Illuminatus Primus]

I think the biggest issue is how to fix NJO, if you will do so. Its really hard to come up with a credible extragalactic invasion that aims to truly -conquer- the galaxy. The logistical and production problems are enormous. And once you've made a threat so big it is credible, then its bound to significantly change the technology and culture and society of the galaxy afterward, such that the gravity of the events will certainly overshadow the Civil Wars and Clone Wars, and that you will not be able to hit the "reset" button like Del Rey did after the war. They essentially allowed the galaxy to pretend it had not happened.

One needs to amp up the Vong or analogue considerably so they'll be a credible threat and/or scale back their original aims and goals so that its realistic. Obviously throw out biowank (I don't really mind if they had a much greater preference for bioengineered gimmicks, but their superconductive armor, and starship hulls, and drives etc shouldn't be so stupid). Think about the tech considerably before hand - maybe unusual application and special tricks (think the Galaxy Gun's extreme gimmicks) give them the upper hand but are ultimately vulnerable to countermeasures and adaption, so that you're not stuck with an unprecedented major sea change in technology and such after the war.

[Illuminatus Primus]

To me, this is a bit like claiming that Al-Queda is separate from the afganis we funded in the 80s. Led by the same guys, based from the same area, using most of the same tech. But different grunts and became a power years later.

Simultaneously I agree and disagree with this analogy. First of all its greatly simplistic to pretend the Afghan War produced AQ directly (and really it was more the client-recepients of the Saudi's fund-matching than us). Secondly, I actually like the analogy in that there is some origin connection but it is poorly defined and they are really their own thing (as it is with the Neo-Crusaders).

Same can be said of WW1 and WW2, yet we speak of each of them as one large war, rather then going into explicit details about the different serbian states and the german population and economy.

The Great War was a single European conflict. The Second World War is really two wars where later alliances brought common allies to coalesce on both sides. And historians do draw important distinctions, appealing to the ignorance or simplification of common usage as an authority I think is a mistake.

Indeed. I edited my earlier post about the story, thoughts?

I like, for the same reason I like Publius' fic and discussions. They "deepen" the universe as oppose to broadening it. What do you think about a NJO replacement?

[Coalition]

One option would be a Force school that taught 'Light Side' and 'Dark Side' Force using. The students are trained in both, and the consequences of both are told as well.

Basically, the Light Side is the normal usage. It is slow, meaning you have to think what might happen, instead of just charging in. This produces negotiators, planners, thinkers, who can affect an entire region, so the war is decided before it ever happens.

The Dark Side is fast, but will damage your body. This is what you use when you only need to take care of one very dangerous person, or are going to die anyway. This produces the saying among pirates and other nasty types, "Always leave an exit for a Force Warrior. If you give them a chance to live, they will give you that chance. If you don't, they will kill you."

Another thing would be the Empire using its World Devastators to rebuild after the YV wars. They can rent them out to nearby systems, or for systems that join the Empire, the use is free. This causes Princess Leia to be going around, trying to help rebuild certain worlds, to keep them from joining the Empire.

(personal change of the YV war)
At the battle for Coruscant, the Imperial fleet arrived, behind the YV forces, and rolled up the fleet. The pilot for the Solo and Skywalker kids was a secret Imperial, whose job was to watch out for galactic threats, as Jedi seem to attract those. He got a copy of the jammer signal, and flew them to an Executor class ship, and they used the Executor's gravwell generators to jam the YV fleet. He had also been passing on tactical advice on how to fight the YV forces, so there is no 'learning curve' for the Imperial forces.

The YV forces would be tough because of slightly different technologies, not due to biowank. The different technologies (and superior numbers) allow them to triumph initially, but as they get pressed further, the New Republic and Imperial Remnant steadily crush their separated forces.

At the end, either the YV surrender, or there are enough defections from the Shamed Ones that the YV war machine stalls out from lack of support leading to a surrender.

The NR and IR both start tearing apart the YV tech, looking for new methods that were used for defenses, weapons, construction, etc.

[Ender]

I like, for the same reason I like Publius' fic and discussions. They "deepen" the universe as oppose to broadening it. What do you think about a NJO replacement?

I'd like to see some more details about the plan, right now it seems to be mainly "we need to start over", which I agree with, but there is more to a story then just writing it different. I've given some thought as to how one can make the YV not be so stupid in terms of how their stuff works, but a tech bible and scenario does not a novel make (e.g. Ringo's work)

[Illuminatus Primus]

One option would be a Force school that taught 'Light Side' and 'Dark Side' Force using. The students are trained in both, and the consequences of both are told as well.

Basically, the Light Side is the normal usage. It is slow, meaning you have to think what might happen, instead of just charging in. This produces negotiators, planners, thinkers, who can affect an entire region, so the war is decided before it ever happens.

The Dark Side is fast, but will damage your body. This is what you use when you only need to take care of one very dangerous person, or are going to die anyway. This produces the saying among pirates and other nasty types, "Always leave an exit for a Force Warrior. If you give them a chance to live, they will give you that chance. If you don't, they will kill you."

Another thing would be the Empire using its World Devastators to rebuild after the YV wars. They can rent them out to nearby systems, or for systems that join the Empire, the use is free. This causes Princess Leia to be going around, trying to help rebuild certain worlds, to keep them from joining the Empire.

(personal change of the YV war)
At the battle for Coruscant, the Imperial fleet arrived, behind the YV forces, and rolled up the fleet. The pilot for the Solo and Skywalker kids was a secret Imperial, whose job was to watch out for galactic threats, as Jedi seem to attract those. He got a copy of the jammer signal, and flew them to an Executor class ship, and they used the Executor's gravwell generators to jam the YV fleet. He had also been passing on tactical advice on how to fight the YV forces, so there is no 'learning curve' for the Imperial forces.

The YV forces would be tough because of slightly different technologies, not due to biowank. The different technologies (and superior numbers) allow them to triumph initially, but as they get pressed further, the New Republic and Imperial Remnant steadily crush their separated forces.

At the end, either the YV surrender, or there are enough defections from the Shamed Ones that the YV war machine stalls out from lack of support leading to a surrender.

The NR and IR both start tearing apart the YV tech, looking for new methods that were used for defenses, weapons, construction, etc.

This is pretty much all wank. I don't really know where to start.

Ender, what thoughts have you had? No point in not at least discussing different angles to take. And don't feel the need to constrain yourself to the YV as they were presented, of course.

Also, the Kanz Disorders seem to be totally coincidental to the Old Sith Wars, and not part of them.

[Ender]

Just as wars are always about more then just battles, war stories are about more then just the war. I think you need to start from that premise and build from there. Honestly, if they had taken the idea of "The Jedi finding their way and defining what it now means to be a Jedi and build an Order that will not fal the people or fall" and been solid with it and the characters I think the series would have been a lot more solid. The writer swapping made the whole thing schizophrenic and contradictory, not to mention a lack of info about the old Order made it hard to do that. The series wasn't all bad - there were some really solid books in there, and comparatively, it wasn't even that bad as far as sci-fi series go.

We have already decided what will happen. So next I think we would need to define themes - how are we looking at it, what story will unfold in this backdrop. Then we define characters and tech and figure out how they will interact with the overall theme. Ultimately we need a solid ending.

Think of it like a physics experiment. The event is the course itself. The theme is the hypothesis. Tech and characters are variables you are testing within the hypothesis on the course. Finally you see results.

[Battlehymn Republic]

Will there be Imperial Knights?

[Illuminatus Primus]

In my Legacy concept? Oh yes. Basically rather than copy the worst tropes and silliest OT things, why not go back to script concepts. I think DH Legacy is too close to the Skywalker-Palpatinic Era, so I'd like a seperation that is historical in tone and more Tales of the Jedi-esque. Consider some of the early SW scripts, with the Sith serving as the power behind the throne and praetorians to the Emperor (who is a figurehead) and the old Emperor having be guarded by the Jedi.

So basically you have a new Empire, I'd say owing about 50% to vague precedent from the Palpatinic Empire, but legitimately dynastic. Having stood for about a hundred years or so. The Jedi have been severed from the state (they're now wandering, partially-organized but a lot of them just knights errant and Robin Hood types in the Rim). They were not persecuted by the Empire except as normal citizens for vigilantism etc. The Imperial Knights are a quasi-Jedi replacement, statist Jedi who are responsible for corseting the armed forces and internally policing the state and Force cults galaxy wide. There's a coup by a claimant within the Imperial family, who runs Imperial Intelligence and secretly has allied with the Sith as his praetorians. They overthrow the legitimate Emperor and purge the Imperial Knights, which become Sith lackeys. The pretender is sidelined or replaced by a puppet while the Sith praetorians behind the curtain become the true power behind the throne.

I'm still working on a plausible NJO concept replacement.

[Imperial Overlord]

I'm still working on a plausible NJO concept replacement.

We might be able to help if you know what you want as your outcomes. Obviously not a glorious and prosperous New Republic that binds the galaxy together with peace and good government.

[Vehrec]

Step 1 of making the post-Vong period better: Wars is hell. Rebuilding after war? Still hell. Main source of conflict should be reconstruction priorities, who gets rebuilt first. Much arguing ensues.

Step 2. Write off Coruscant for at least 100 years. Actually have someone say that it will take at least this long for people to move back in numbers large enough to even justify a planet-wide city. Move the Galactic Capital to some other Urbanized world, preferably one with a lot of economic clout post-war from Heavy Industry needed for reconstruction.

Step 3. Vong are forced to flee the Galaxy en-masse as a result of Bothan purges. Much of galaxy doesn't give a shit, and bio-medical corporations take lots of Vong gear and reverse-engineer it.

Step 4. Increase editorial control of books, making sure to keep a unified vision of the universe. There is room for many things in the galaxy, but stupidity and small-mindedness in the authors is not to be tolerated.

Step 5. Profit!

[Ender]

Also, it occurs to me that you need to focus on your tone. Do you want space wizards stopping the evil overlord with the help of the warrior knight and a lovable rogue, do you want to look at the absurd parts and go tongue in cheek, or do you want to emphasize the science part of it? Different tales have covered it from different tones with different success. Allston was fond of the absurd bits, and did it well, while other people do the absurd bits and it is moronic (e.g. little fan winks and nods and being self referential). KJA did the fantasy part and a lot of people love him for it (hey, his books are still some of the best selling ones. We hate them but he did something right). Denning did the science bit ok, and has it hit and miss, but K-Mac did it heavily and most people hate him for it (whereas I love the BFC). Stover did "epic" and most people love it while others found it insipid, Stackpole did small and focused and many liked it.

Tone matters.

[Darth Raptor]

One needs to amp up the Vong or analogue considerably so they'll be a credible threat and/or scale back their original aims and goals so that its realistic. Obviously throw out biowank (I don't really mind if they had a much greater preference for bioengineered gimmicks, but their superconductive armor, and starship hulls, and drives etc shouldn't be so stupid). Think about the tech considerably before hand - maybe unusual application and special tricks (think the Galaxy Gun's extreme gimmicks) give them the upper hand but are ultimately vulnerable to countermeasures and adaption, so that you're not stuck with an unprecedented major sea change in technology and such after the war.

While it has some serious flaws, I enjoyed the NJO for the most part and feel that both the Vong and the extragalactic invasion ideas are salvageable. In his Technical Commentaries, Curtis Saxton hypothesized that the Yuuzhan Vong galaxy (Cremlevia?) was naturally poor in metallic elements. The current thinking is the Abominor-Silentium War would have further depleted these already scarce resources and this, combined with the atrocities of the war itself, led directly to Yuuzhan Vong's dogmatic technophobia. I think this is fine, but it doesn't necessitate the reactionless drives or biowank weapons and defenses. Physics care little for religious dogma or cultural sensibilities, and if they're going to get off their planet (let alone conquer one galaxy and invade another) they're going to have to suck it up and use some 'abominable' technology here and there. Here's my idea, which keeps as much of the Vong as a concept intact without them being so... well, retarded.

Yuuzhan'tar (the first one) was a sapient Gaia-type planet with potent Force abilities. It repelled the mechanoid invaders both with these abilities and by turning its unique flora and fauna against them. It then taught its people how to make weapons and properly combat the 'abominations'. IIRC, this is pretty much how it went in Wars canon. However, I would have them use metals, machinery and/or Force magitech whenever using biotics would be too stupid for words (e.g., the examples above). However, the sum of Yuuzhan Vong technical knowledge (contained in the Eight Corteses) is dogmatic, not scientific; the original research being done by the god-world and handed down to the Vong from on high. Anything outside a god-approved Cortex is blasphemy, heresy, abominable etc., etc., ad nauseum. Yuuzhan'tar can be good, evil or neutral. Either one would have good story potential, I think. But its destruction in the Cremlevian War should not make the Vong or their critters 'absent' in the Force. They can be stripped of their Force abilities, be weird in the Force or have ysalamir-like negating abilities. But having them be undetectable is retarded, since the highest canon depicts things like rocks and spacecraft having a presence in the Force. There's no logical reason the destruction of Yuuzhan'tar should change that. And you can make them a credible threat to the Jedi without resorting to such silliness.

Secondly, the invasion: From a political and logistical standpoint, conquering an alien galaxy with conventional Wars FTL (fast as it is) doesn't make sense. The Vong fleet spent millennia getting to the GFFA. Unless you want to give them ludicrousdrive or some kind of Stargate (the latter would be better than the former, I think). The Vong fleet should be a migration of refugees who fled their native galaxy for what are sure to be religious reasons. A little less conquest and a little more colonization. They should have massive numbers, be willing to (at least temporarily) align themselves with native collaborators or both. Other than that, they can still be Space Aztecs with a biotech fetish.

[Raj Ahten]

Here's some ideas for replacement EU. First, we need nw characters. I don't give a shit what luke is doing. Those characters should be cameo's or powerfull behind the scenes movers. We could still have the New Republic fall apart, and I think a fantastic story could be about how the hardcore Rebel revolutionaries take that. They fight the Empire for over twenty years to see all their efforts turn to shit. Even if we have the Vong etc, writing a story where the competent rebels actually do something, with out authorization even, could be very good. Instead we get crap about Mandalorians. How about we write a story about someone who was part of the CIS, then joined the rebels, and has been a badass for oer 50 years. That would be far more interesting than a bunch of wanked out bounty hunters.

[Illuminatus Primus]

While it has some serious flaws, I enjoyed the NJO for the most part and feel that both the Vong and the extragalactic invasion ideas are salvageable.

I partially agree.

In his Technical Commentaries, Curtis Saxton hypothesized that the Yuuzhan Vong galaxy (Cremlevia?) was naturally poor in metallic elements. The current thinking is the Abominor-Silentium War would have further depleted these already scarce resources and this, combined with the atrocities of the war itself, led directly to Yuuzhan Vong's dogmatic technophobia.

Dr. Saxton maintained a strict SoD when he operated his website, and don't mistake a mention of something or a justification to be an endorsement of realism. Depleting a galaxy's resources? I think you are greatly misinformed by scale here. The biowank is just bad. And there are probably insurmountable problems with an extragalactic invasion of the scale implied by the canonical depiction of the YV invasion, both in logistical concerns on the realism side (the numbers required for a comprehensive and realistically plausibly successful galactic invasion are mind-boggling), and excessive transformation and scale on the story side (you don't want to make something so big the individual characters feel meaningless or that it changes things to where they are no longer SW).

I think this is fine, but it doesn't necessitate the reactionless drives or biowank weapons and defenses. Physics care little for religious dogma or cultural sensibilities, and if they're going to get off their planet (let alone conquer one galaxy and invade another) they're going to have to suck it up and use some 'abominable' technology here and there. Here's my idea, which keeps as much of the Vong as a concept intact without them being so... well, retarded.

Basically agreed.

Yuuzhan'tar (the first one) was a sapient Gaia-type planet with potent Force abilities. It repelled the mechanoid invaders both with these abilities and by turning its unique flora and fauna against them. It then taught its people how to make weapons and properly combat the 'abominations'. IIRC, this is pretty much how it went in Wars canon. However, I would have them use metals, machinery and/or Force magitech whenever using biotics would be too stupid for words (e.g., the examples above). However, the sum of Yuuzhan Vong technical knowledge (contained in the Eight Corteses) is dogmatic, not scientific; the original research being done by the god-world and handed down to the Vong from on high. Anything outside a god-approved Cortex is blasphemy, heresy, abominable etc., etc., ad nauseum. Yuuzhan'tar can be good, evil or neutral. Either one would have good story potential, I think. But its destruction in the Cremlevian War should not make the Vong or their critters 'absent' in the Force. They can be stripped of their Force abilities, be weird in the Force or have ysalamir-like negating abilities. But having them be undetectable is retarded, since the highest canon depicts things like rocks and spacecraft having a presence in the Force. There's no logical reason the destruction of Yuuzhan'tar should change that. And you can make them a credible threat to the Jedi without resorting to such silliness.

I suppose. I would try and ignore or downtone the unnecessary backstory to a certain extent. I just don't find it plausible or realistic or - most importantly - compelling.

Secondly, the invasion: From a political and logistical standpoint, conquering an alien galaxy with conventional Wars FTL (fast as it is) doesn't make sense. The Vong fleet spent millennia getting to the GFFA. Unless you want to give them ludicrousdrive or some kind of Stargate (the latter would be better than the former, I think). The Vong fleet should be a migration of refugees who fled their native galaxy for what are sure to be religious reasons. A little less conquest and a little more colonization. They should have massive numbers, be willing to (at least temporarily) align themselves with native collaborators or both. Other than that, they can still be Space Aztecs with a biotech fetish.

I agree. I could imagine Nom Anor and other agents provocateurs strumming up inter-Republican strife, neo-Imperialism, and other expansionist races (Yevetha, Killiks, Ssi-ruuvi, Nagai, Tofs, etc.) and basically trying to make a run for territories and colonization and along the way make a feud with the Jedi. Basically the Core or important areas of the galaxy may feel besieged but not threatened by invasion (though in the beginning they wouldn't know what to think) - think Britain before the Battle of Britain when they're losing in France. Basically there'll be pressure by asshole Core Worlders (Fey'lya et al) to sue for peace and sell out the Rim and such to the Vong and their lesser Volkerwanderung allies (I'm thinking maybe an analog where the YV = Huns, and the lesser races = Germanic and Slavic allies and subjects) while a lot of internal pressures will look to increase their power and get on top while the chips are down and Coruscant is distracted (Core World Imperials, etc.).

[Sean Mulligan]

Step 2. Write off Coruscant for at least 100 years. Actually have someone say that it will take at least this long for people to move back in numbers large enough to even justify a planet-wide city. Move the Galactic Capital to some other Urbanized world, preferably one with a lot of economic clout post-war from Heavy Industry needed for reconstruction.

The reason that Coruscant was rebuilt so quickly was that as part of the peace treaty the Yuuzhan Vong shapers helped to undo the damage to Coruscant. While Coruscant was being rebuilt the GA was located on Denon which was another planet which was one big city. .