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Post by JCady » 2008-03-04 03:31pm

Academia Nut wrote:The demons were asking why their commanders kept blowing up before. Now they're going to be asking why their bridges are blowing up and their commanders have holes in their heads that they shouldn't have.
I think it means that the demons can easily see rockets ("fire lances") and missiles ("seeker lances"), but not unpowered bombs. They call tank cannons fire lances too, but they're probably seeing the muzzle blast and not the actual shell.

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Post by Stuart Mackey » 2008-03-04 03:39pm

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Is the A-4 line still around (with all the countries that have some variant in service), or is it gone, too?
A4 is a good choice, if the tooling exists and their are still people around who can run them: The RNZAF/Safe Air will be flat out getting its 17 back into airworthy condition.
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Post by Stuart » 2008-03-04 03:42pm

JCady wrote: I think it means that the demons can easily see rockets ("fire lances") and missiles ("seeker lances"), but not unpowered bombs. They call tank cannons fire lances too, but they're probably seeing the muzzle blast and not the actual shell.
That's more or less right; the baldricks can't see bombs coming down so they can't explain what's happening except "its human magic". They can see rockets and missiles though, plus tracer gunfire. The shots from tanks also leave a red track that can be followed by eye; to the inexperiences they look like rockets or missiles.
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Post by Darth Smiley » 2008-03-04 04:20pm

What happens to a human that is 'alive' (ie never been killed) but in hell? Do they just show up somewhere else in hell?
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Post by Crayz9000 » 2008-03-04 04:27pm

You mean if they get killed? I don't think anyone except Stuart knows, though it would be strange if they showed up in the demons' afterlife-plane of existance, wherever/whatever that is...
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Post by Sidewinder » 2008-03-04 04:46pm

That was some brutal house-to-house fighting. I wonder if any of the Baldrick infantrymen are considering surrender?

By the way, would a M1 Garand or BAR, modified to fire .338 Lapua rounds, work as an antidemon weapon? I'm asking this because the photo of a .458 Winchester Magnum on Wikipedia shows it having a round-nosed bullet, suggesting it's not a good choice for long-range shooting.
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Post by JN1 » 2008-03-04 04:59pm

That was a pretty impressive depiction of FIBUA/MOUT. I'm almost beginning to feel sorry for the legions of Hell, they really seem to have bitten off more than they can chew.
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Sidewinder wrote: By the way, would a M1 Garand or BAR, modified to fire .338 Lapua rounds, work as an antidemon weapon? I'm asking this because the photo of a .458 Winchester Magnum on Wikipedia shows it having a round-nosed bullet, suggesting it's not a good choice for long-range shooting.
At close range .338 magnum would be no real advantage over .30-06. As Stuart pointed out, you need to shoot a big hole in Baldrick to make it bleed out, the .338 round doesn’t get that job done. At longer ranges, I’d forgot about using any such weapon. I’d say the ideal thing to do is give every solider a .458cal AR-15 type weapon which would still be relatively light, while reorganization the basic nine man rifle squad into a pair of machine gun teams as fast as new weapons can be produced. Some squads might become additional mortar squads as well. Pretty much we’d go from three rifle companies and a weapons company in a battalion to four weapons companies, each of which might still have one normal rifle platoon.
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Post by The Duchess of Zeon » 2008-03-04 05:33pm

Sidewinder wrote:That was some brutal house-to-house fighting. I wonder if any of the Baldrick infantrymen are considering surrender?

By the way, would a M1 Garand or BAR, modified to fire .338 Lapua rounds, work as an antidemon weapon? I'm asking this because the photo of a .458 Winchester Magnum on Wikipedia shows it having a round-nosed bullet, suggesting it's not a good choice for long-range shooting.
That's just one loading. There's a large variety available, including those which can maintain prodiguous force at long range. Though really the goal is just to cut big holes through the demons--range is less critical. But a .458 magnum is still more than sufficient at range. And you're simply ignoring pages of discussion, in which the Winchester Magnum .458 was chosen not as the best round period, but as the best round you can fit into a Garand with minimal modification: Overall length is the same as that of the .30-06, you see.
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Post by MKSheppard » 2008-03-04 07:20pm

R011 wrote: the end product would most likely create more problems than it would solve.
Why? Even in the GULAG, during WWII, the Zeks kept putting out high quality work for the Red Army. I"d expect the same here from our prison labor.
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Post by MKSheppard » 2008-03-04 07:26pm

I don't get the Vickers .303 watercooled love. It's clearly inferior to the ultimate weapon:

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Water-cooled .50 caliber Brownings.
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Post by R011 » 2008-03-04 09:07pm

MKSheppard wrote: Why? Even in the GULAG, during WWII, the Zeks kept putting out high quality work for the Red Army. I"d expect the same here from our prison labor.
I'm much more worried about the after-market support once the aircraft have been delivered to someone's air force, as I've noted in previous posts.

I'd rather build a new plant with a product without such issues employing people who were working in a non-war related industry and leave the prisoners to their existing trade as it is already applicable to the war effort.
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Post by MKSheppard » 2008-03-04 10:17pm

May I humbly suggest that among the packages that Broomy recieved were these:

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The new US Army "Hell" ACU pattern? :D
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Post by R011 » 2008-03-04 10:20pm

MKSheppard wrote:I don't get the Vickers .303 watercooled love. It's clearly inferior to the ultimate weapon:

Water-cooled .50 caliber Brownings.
Twin water cooled fifties are indeed way cool (and quad even better), but I kinda like the rotary barrel GAU-19/A. I mean what's not to love about a thousand half inch bullets per minute?

I posted a nice video of it a day or so ago mounted on a Hummer.
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Post by Mayabird » 2008-03-04 10:40pm

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Kodiak wrote: If people get killed in Hell, would they know they're dead?
People die in hell, they die for good (as far as we know). They're just much harder to kill because they heal so much faster, and they don't need to eat or sleep.
But what if its someone who walks from earth to hell, and so hasn't yet died once. Does being in hell automatically confer 'hellish' qualities to a living being?
What I want to know is, what would happen if someone who had died and was in hell went through a portal back to Earth. Do they keep the super-healing and everything? Do they go poof?
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Post by JCady » 2008-03-04 11:11pm

R011 wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:I don't get the Vickers .303 watercooled love. It's clearly inferior to the ultimate weapon:

Water-cooled .50 caliber Brownings.
Twin water cooled fifties are indeed way cool (and quad even better), but I kinda like the rotary barrel GAU-19/A. I mean what's not to love about a thousand half inch bullets per minute?

I posted a nice video of it a day or so ago mounted on a Hummer.
The British did a side-by-side comparison of the .50-cal Browning and the .50-cal Vickers and found the Vickers superior, primarily in reliability.

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R011 wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:I don't get the Vickers .303 watercooled love. It's clearly inferior to the ultimate weapon:

Water-cooled .50 caliber Brownings.
Twin water cooled fifties are indeed way cool (and quad even better), but I kinda like the rotary barrel GAU-19/A. I mean what's not to love about a thousand half inch bullets per minute?

I posted a nice video of it a day or so ago mounted on a Hummer.
The fact that you have to feed it 1000 half inch bullets every minute.
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Post by Chris OFarrell » 2008-03-04 11:24pm

So is the entire Demon army now in full retreat, trying to fall back and regroup near the hellmouth with whats left? Cause they are fucked in that case.

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Post by Cecelia5578 » 2008-03-04 11:30pm

MKSheppard wrote:May I humbly suggest that among the packages that Broomy recieved were these:



The new US Army "Hell" ACU pattern? :D
DCUs might actually be good in a pinch-or the Marine desert pattern.

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Post by The Duchess of Zeon » 2008-03-05 02:25am

Oh, Stuart, what about the Spark Varks? I understand there's 36 of them which are still intact, and that kind of electronic warfare capability might be enormously useful if we can modify the equipment to jam Demonic communications.
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Post by The Duchess of Zeon » 2008-03-05 02:31am

Mayabird wrote:
What I want to know is, what would happen if someone who had died and was in hell went through a portal back to Earth. Do they keep the super-healing and everything? Do they go poof?
Let's apply Occam's razor here: Hellish-bodies are biological constructs of the hellish plain of existence. So are demonic bodies. If one can go back and forth, the other can.

Yes, of course they can leave Hell. Anything else would defy all sanity.

But it is also extremely likely that if you die in Hell, even if you haven't died before, you are dead for good. After all, Demons require the carefully tapped energies of millions of other sentients for tens of thousands of years to ascend--that more or less implies automatically that if you die in Hell, you're gone for good, no matter if it's your second or your first death.
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Post by pdf27 » 2008-03-05 02:37am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:But it is also extremely likely that if you die in Hell, even if you haven't died before, you are dead for good. After all, Demons require the carefully tapped energies of millions of other sentients for tens of thousands of years to ascend--that more or less implies automatically that if you die in Hell, you're gone for good, no matter if it's your second or your first death.
At least, that's what they think. Remember they're at a bronze age level of technology, and until the last chapter humans couldn't ascend to hell except by dying - and now have a way to do it electronically. It's conceivable that humans will find a way of going up to the next level too if they pump enough power into it...

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pdf27 wrote:At least, that's what they think. Remember they're at a bronze age level of technology, and until the last chapter humans couldn't ascend to hell except by dying - and now have a way to do it electronically. It's conceivable that humans will find a way of going up to the next level too if they pump enough power into it...
The only catch with that is they need to have a "receiver" on the other side to first establish the link. Once the link is established, the portal can be opened.

So unless the higher beings on the next level are in the habit of messing with the Baldricks' heads, or we devise a better (i.e. one-way) system of opening portals that don't require someone to be on the other side already, then I don't see how that's going to happen.

Also, this brought up thouts about the Dalais. They do live ridiculously long lives, and have strange notions regarding reincarnation. Do you suppose it's possible for perhaps one or two of them to have been previous escapees from Hell?
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Post by Brain_Caster » 2008-03-05 03:55am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: But it is also extremely likely that if you die in Hell, even if you haven't died before, you are dead for good.
How so? As of right now we don't even now what keeps people running in hell after they died on Earth. If they can form a body from nothing after their old one get's destroyed once, who says they can't do it again? For all we know, whenever you die in hell you might simply reform somewhere else in hell.

And if that isn't the case and any hell-deaths are permanent, wouldn't that mean that you can get out of "eternal" torture simply by killing yourself? If so, I'd expect a whole lot of people to have taken that option.

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