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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 01:31am
by DKeith2011
Dreadnaught update, I'll pass replies along to the artists asap.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/5HA153iXX6smTBdh9
My thoughts;
Proportions look about right.
What is visible of the engine array looks good.
Not sure about the bridge stack.
The weapons trench definitely needs to be opened up full length through those midship boxes.
I think a Battlestar style chin recess for the big guns would look better than the blunt nose.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 01:02pm
by Eternal_Freedom
DKeith2011 wrote: ↑2019-10-22 01:31am
Dreadnaught update, I'll pass replies along to the artists asap.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/5HA153iXX6smTBdh9
My thoughts;
Proportions look about right.
What is visible of the engine array looks good.
Not sure about the bridge stack.
The weapons trench definitely needs to be opened up full length through those midship boxes.
I think a Battlestar style chin recess for the big guns would look better than the blunt nose.
Looking good! Proportions look good, as does the trench size, but yeah, the trench should be full-length all the way along The bow should be narrower as well, to allow the forward groups of turrets on the flanks to fire forwards. If he pulled the bow in so it's no wider than that slightly raised section it should work nicely. And yeah, a Battlestar-type chin recess for the main battery would work better. The engine array is looking great, as for the bridge stack, I'd say it needs to be a little taller and a bit further forward
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 01:37pm
by DKeith2011
On the bow do you mean the out or inner raised areas?
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 01:57pm
by Eternal_Freedom
The innermost, most raised area.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 02:02pm
by DKeith2011
How about the chin recess going back to the forward edge of the little sunken area over the trench?
Make the bridge stack about half again taller and move it forward to the center of that rectangular area?
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 02:12pm
by Eternal_Freedom
Yes to both
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 02:23pm
by DKeith2011
Ok. I'll get all that turned in for changes now.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 02:26pm
by Eternal_Freedom
Excellent
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 02:40pm
by DKeith2011
Hows the detailing of the other Tau'ri ships coming?
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 02:52pm
by Eternal_Freedom
Slightly stalled. I can more-or-less see the outline of the American Yorktowns but I can't quite decide on some details. As for the Russian Auroras I just don't know.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 02:57pm
by DKeith2011
Maybe this will help with the Americans -
http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/Spaceshi ... S-210.html
As for the Russians....
Let me think.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 02:59pm
by Eternal_Freedom
That's a model we considered before, I like the overall look but I'd like to make it less like a Battlestar with separate hanger-pods
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 05:42pm
by DKeith2011
I keep looping back to the mental image of the Russian ship being not too different from a massively enlarged boomer sub.
Take the Red October and feed it some steroids and we're good to go.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 05:46pm
by Eternal_Freedom
While the idea of a giant
Red October flying through space with Marko Ramius at the helm is hilarious...it's a bit far even for me
For the Russian ship, I was actually thinking of something a lot more skeletal - the 304's have large, heavy hull panels, as does the
Dreadnought and (most likely) the
Yorktowns. But the Russian ships are true battlecruisers, relying on speed, shields and heavy missile batteries, so having hull armour seems unnecessary.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-22 06:45pm
by DKeith2011
Are we talking
Macross Missile Massacre here or what?
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-23 01:14am
by fnord
Eternal_Freedom wrote: ↑2019-10-22 05:46pm
While the idea of a giant
Red October flying through space with Marko Ramius at the helm is hilarious...it's a bit far even for me
Seems like it would fit perfectly, but the Shchorpia Shchoolmashter (Colonial remixsh) mosht likely went down shwinging with hish battleshtar.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-23 12:12pm
by Eternal_Freedom
Pretty much yeah. I'm thinking that the Russian ship will have heavy PD armament, perhaps one twin plasma beam or twin heavy coilgun turret like
Dreadnought carries, and the rest will be missile batteries, in a variety of sizes - from swarms of AA missiles to anti-ship missiles to the really big heavyweights like the Colonial groundstrike missiles (the ones with eight 50 gigaton warheads, shields and ECM gear).
Essentially, I envisage it as a real-world
Kirov class missile cruiser...IN SPACE.
Also, fnord: honestly I haven't really considered what my Mikhail Kirov looks like, but since his stated accent is effectively Russian, I will simply envisage him as Marko Ramius and leave it at that
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-23 12:30pm
by fnord
Would be giggleworthy (to me, at least) if Kirov mentions Ramius en passant, perhaps as a teacher or mentor - you might be running a little short on shout outs.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-23 04:23pm
by DKeith2011
Random question for the crowd, has anyone here read
Axis of Time books by John Birmingham?
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-23 06:03pm
by DKeith2011
This might not be a bad start for the
Russian boat
American supercarrier inspiration?
Gratuitous guns!!!
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-23 07:10pm
by Eternal_Freedom
The torpedo destroyer and super/battlecarrier models are interesting, though I was more envisaging the Yorktowns as being like, well, those Fifth Element ships but with longitudinal landing decks on the centerline, probably four or six, entered from the bow and lateral hanger/launch bays underneath - so two/three port and two/three starboard landing decks, with a layer of hanger, maintenance and launch bays outboard of each - but unlike Battlestars, this is all within one big armoured hull. No elegance, no streamlining, just flight decks, point defence mounts and maybe one or two heavy turrets. The command/bridge tower would be kept though.
Basically, I want it to look like a carrier but not follow either real-life carrier design exactly or Battlestar design - so lateral launch bays but no separate pods, longitudinal landing decks but approach from forward, like a Venator Star Destroyer. While the Kobolians have helped with the design, these are still RN/USN/Russian - designed ships.
The Russian battlecruisers I envisage as being quite skeletal but also quite modular - they'd have a substantial engine section, a forward command section with some energy/coilgun turrets, but the middle would be modular missile batteries - perhaps 6 or so on each axis (port, starboard, dorsal, ventral) - the idea being that whole batteries can be "swapped out" either for reloading back at Elysium Base (or from Nidavellir or Safe Harbour) or for different mission profiles. So a "General purpose" loadout for running solo would be, say, 3 AA batteries per axis and 3 anti-ship, but if they were running with anti-air support, you might take all anti-ship. Or if you were fighting a fighter-heavy enemy (like the Wraith) and had, say, Dreadnought along to handle enemy capships, you might swap out for 5 AA batteries and only one anti-ship battery per axis, or some variation thereof.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-23 08:33pm
by DKeith2011
Lets see...
Chunky engine section - Check
Forward command section - Check
Thin, modular connecting structure between them - Check
That sounds an awful lot like
Babylon 5 Omega Destroyers and Nova Dreadnaughts
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-23 08:50pm
by DKeith2011
The
Poseidon class fits the bill for the Yorktown pretty well too, just drop the spin section.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-24 12:32pm
by Eternal_Freedom
You're right, both those designs are pretty close to what I envisage, though set at the (standard for Tau'ri capships) 1600-metre length range.
Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War
Posted: 2019-10-24 01:27pm
by DKeith2011
Cool. They can be used as a starting point for the next pics then.