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I think its a great discussion so far, but anything involving Nazis tends to get long and meandering, if and when it doesn't spiral into nonsense.
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Being a newbie, I doubt my opinion carries more weight than the Higgs boson, but I have no objection to moving discussion over what to do about second-life Nazis to another thread.Uncluttered wrote:Motion to move the discussion on Nazis and criminal justice in Hell to a new thread.![]()
I think its a great discussion so far, but anything involving Nazis tends to get long and meandering, if and when it doesn't spiral into nonsense.
Opinions?
Sorry, I thought it was a shout-out to a very good TV show from the 1990's. That phrase was a almost word-by-word quote from an episode of NYPD Blue. Lt. Fancy, an African-American, was giving Detective Sipowicz, a fellow with somewhat unenlightened opinions on race, a little lesson on race relations by taking him to a rib joint for a meal.Stuart wrote:*Confused Blink*R011 wrote: Same rib joint Fancy took Sipowicz?
Ahhh, I see now. My significant other at the time was West Indian (3/4 black, 1/4 Chinese). Very similar; I think it's a semi-standard 'this is how we feel' lesson. I wonder if it was picked up from LAPD Blue or whether the series picked it up from life.R011 wrote: Sorry, I thought it was a shout-out to a very good TV show from the 1990's. That phrase was a almost word-by-word quote from an episode of NYPD Blue. Lt. Fancy, an African-American, was giving Detective Sipowicz, a fellow with somewhat unenlightened opinions on race, a little lesson on race relations by taking him to a rib joint for a meal.
I agree. It was one thing to use Abigor as a puppet ruler. He surrendered after the HEA kicked his ass so thoroughly that Satan ordered him to gather his family and die under the human guns. Instead, Abigor defected and cooperated with us. I think that leaving Michael in charge would be like letting Himmler rule an unpartitioned Germany because he whacked Hitler and sued for peace. Michael has been Yah-Yah's right hand man the whole time. He should be made to answer for having aided and abetted Yahweh's tyranny.Gil Hamilton wrote:I still hope Michael ends up being the tiny splash that follows Yahweh into the lake and Lemuel is the one that does it. I know, I know. The HEA may decide it requires Michael to continue existing as leader of Heaven just to ensure that there isn't a huge civil war up there and Abigor was made a leader despite the fact that he's ALSO guilty of millenia of warcrimes. That said, justice would see Michael at the end of length of hemp for his crimes.
I agree on this. We know that the transformation of Michael is deeper than the sheer fear that pushed Himmler to sue for a desperate peace, but as far as the HEA is concerned, Michael is the exact same thing. I would guess he must be subject to some atrocious war payment plan, and to make anmends of sorts with both baldricks and humans. Also, to assume the legal obligations of the previous administration, the first and foremost economic consequence of which is to respond to the reparations due to the United States, as ruled in the legal action interceded after the storms, if I remember correctly.Eddie Van Helsing wrote:I agree. It was one thing to use Abigor as a puppet ruler. He surrendered after the HEA kicked his ass so thoroughly that Satan ordered him to gather his family and die under the human guns. Instead, Abigor defected and cooperated with us. I think that leaving Michael in charge would be like letting Himmler rule an unpartitioned Germany because he whacked Hitler and sued for peace. Michael has been Yah-Yah's right hand man the whole time. He should be made to answer for having aided and abetted Yahweh's tyranny.Gil Hamilton wrote:I still hope Michael ends up being the tiny splash that follows Yahweh into the lake and Lemuel is the one that does it. I know, I know. The HEA may decide it requires Michael to continue existing as leader of Heaven just to ensure that there isn't a huge civil war up there and Abigor was made a leader despite the fact that he's ALSO guilty of millenia of warcrimes. That said, justice would see Michael at the end of length of hemp for his crimes.
I wouldn't say the UN is dead, but perhaps it has been relegated to its original purpose: to provide a forum where nations can resolve their difference through diplomacy instead of resorting to war. That original purpose hasn't been particularly relevant to the plot of Pantheocide thus far, but the story isn't over yet, and there's still The Lords of War. The HEA will have enough trouble managing the occupations of Heaven and Hell. I don't think it can take over the peacekeeping functions of the UN without compromising its original mission.darksoul wrote:Do we have official confirmation that the UN is dead in this scenario? It`s pretty much useless now...
Not sure if this is what Stuart was going for, but there are several species out there with a barbed phallus. Example: domestic cats have a series of spines on them. When the male is done and pulls out the scratching induces ovulation. Nature has some crazy forms. Don't even ask about the insects. Brain Bleach.Ascaloth wrote:Which raises the question; if the demons' "sausages" are supposed to be barbed (as Jade Kim found out the hard way), how are they supposed to....you know....
Never mind the insects. Check out spotted hyenas. Imagine giving birth through a penis.kulervo wrote:Not sure if this is what Stuart was going for, but there are several species out there with a barbed phallus. Example: domestic cats have a series of spines on them. When the male is done and pulls out the scratching induces ovulation. Nature has some crazy forms. Don't even ask about the insects. Brain Bleach.
Perhaps I'm too cynical (or perhaps you're not cynical enough) but I have a feeling if that had happened, it very well might have happened that way. Maybe not a completely unoccupied, unpartitioned germany, but leaving him as the technical leader but with his decisions subject to allied approval, I can see that.Eddie Van Helsing wrote:I think that leaving Michael in charge would be like letting Himmler rule an unpartitioned Germany because he whacked Hitler and sued for peace. Michael has been Yah-Yah's right hand man the whole time. He should be made to answer for having aided and abetted Yahweh's tyranny.
No, I think you're right. If the Allies didn't know about the Holocaust, and Himmler had sued for peace after killing Hitler and taking over the Third Reich, it's entirely plausible that they might have left the Nazis in power under Himmler and accepted Germany's surrender. It would allow the US to focus on Japan, after all.wickeddyno wrote:Perhaps I'm too cynical (or perhaps you're not cynical enough) but I have a feeling if that had happened, it very well might have happened that way. Maybe not a completely unoccupied, unpartitioned germany, but leaving him as the technical leader but with his decisions subject to allied approval, I can see that.
Actually, I hope he didn't put that much thought into demon sexuality. In fact, I apologize for mentioning the hyenas in the first place.Ruadhan2300 wrote:It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Stuart actually designed the Baldricks to emulate hyenas sexuality
So, we're going to have at least 7 threads for LoW? Daaang.Mayabird wrote:By the way, for the threads on the third book, I will be locking each thread at fifty pages and starting a new one. I'll post reminders again when it happens.
Believe me, insects are worse. Toxic semen: check. An evolutionary race to better rape females: check. Chastity belts: check. Weird penises to take away other's male's semen: check. Making a hole trough the exoskeleton to fertilize the female: check.Eddie Van Helsing wrote: Never mind the insects. Check out spotted hyenas. Imagine giving birth through a penis.
Yeah. Actually, the human penis is specially fascinating (no pun intended). Not only is it comparative bigger than most penises. The head is specially designed to take other's male semen out from the vagina.Mayabird wrote:There are a number of spiny penises in the animal kingdom, including a number of monkey species, IIRC. There was a diagram in one of my college textbooks on animal behavior of various really freaky penises in different species. It's thought that they're an evolutionary response to promiscuity - make the first round of sex painful and damaging to the female so she's not inclined to do it again, thus ensuring that the first male is the father of the offspring. This is all from memory though because I don't have that book on hand so I may be a bit off.
you are right, actually stauffenberg is far more precise an analogy.Deebles wrote:I'm against all the "let's put Michael on trial and install someone more palatable" business. Whatever view you take of his exceedingly dubious morality... he's a human-o-phile. He likes modern western culture, and what he wants is to import parts of it while keeping things peaceful and stable. He's someone, in short, that we can do business with.
Whoever replaces him, should he get ousted, may very well not be. Also, the consequent power-struggle may well generate one truly impossible quagmire.
Also the comparison to Himmler is a tad unfair... Stauffenberg would be a slightly better analogy, excepting that Michael was successful. On the whole, there's no direct analogy whom I can think of, but there has been a long history of accepting vaguely unpalatable new administrations who've taken power people we really didn't like.
Finally, I'm also against demanding reparations. We don't want to stir up billions of religious fanatics more than they have been already, nor do we need a second war against an embittered and technologically upgraded heaven.
not so sure about the Russians, though. After Stalingrad, there was no stopping them. Hell, they stopped because the Americans were ahead and there was a river between them. Otherwise they would have painted the Eiffel tower red.Eddie Van Helsing wrote:No, I think you're right. If the Allies didn't know about the Holocaust, and Himmler had sued for peace after killing Hitler and taking over the Third Reich, it's entirely plausible that they might have left the Nazis in power under Himmler and accepted Germany's surrender. It would allow the US to focus on Japan, after all.wickeddyno wrote:Perhaps I'm too cynical (or perhaps you're not cynical enough) but I have a feeling if that had happened, it very well might have happened that way. Maybe not a completely unoccupied, unpartitioned germany, but leaving him as the technical leader but with his decisions subject to allied approval, I can see that.
On the other hand, those are the "famous ones" that were supposed to be excluded from the question...That also depends on who's doing the prosecuting. I imagine that Israelis would have no trouble resentencing every single one of the Nazis executed by the Nuremberg court if they found them.
And then become a perpetual Petraeus lecture point on how the Heaven insurgency got started, even before the shitcanning.if I were a soldier in Heaven and one of those guys as much as try to throw a rock at me, I would perform an anatomical experiment on him: Cut all members with machine gun fire and expect them to grow back.