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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by fnord » 2018-12-03 10:50am

Ah, that makes sense. Keyship is not a battlewagon per se (although it can handle itself when fur flies), but it force-multiplies other battlewagons. What's the (rough) crossover distance between where it's faster to use Kobolian FTL and where it's faster to bum a lift off the Keyship?

Likewise, the yard ships would qualify, for much the same reason - their contribution makes other battlewagons more effective (in this case, repairs and upgrades without having to bugger off back to Terra or displace UNSC yard capacity).

By Haloverse standards, would the Kobolian cruisers be considered capital ships in their own right?
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-12-03 11:19am

Max range on Kobolian jump drives remains 25000 light years. Any further and you need jump - gates. The improvements since book one are mainly in speed of calculating jumps and charging the drives.

The Keyship also has the advantage of being able to take entire Fleets over ten times that distance.

As for the Legend class cruisers....but Terra standards they're heavy escorts, by UNSC standards they'd be full capital ships - they're longer and slightly more massive than the Marathon or Halcyon classes.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by fnord » 2018-12-03 12:25pm

For example. if you suddenly had to beat feet from the rim of the Milky Way to the Furling Beacon, (approx 80k light year), would Kobolian kit work out quicker (after accounting for cycle times, extra calcs as you got further in, waffles, etc) than bumming a lift? Would that change if you had to beat feet from one side of the MW to the other (approx 160k light year)?

For short extragalactic trips (eg Terra to one of the Magellanic Clouds), looks like the Keyship would be hands-down faster - 250k light year in a single jump, and not needing a beacon to lock onto.
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-12-03 04:17pm

Basically, if it's single-ship and you can do it within one jump, Kobolian drives are faster. Anything requiring two or more jumps, Keyship is faster. Plus Keyship can move whole task forces at once, which the Kobolian FTL's can't do.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Natzo » 2018-12-04 11:56am

You know, after the luck the Colonials had (discounting the balance of the Terran Tech), one would think Jellicoe would be one of those Admirals that would always assume the worst outcome. Like assuming they didn't kill the flagship, or that the Elites would not crumble without it.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-12-04 12:26pm

Well in fairness I haven't had him say whether or not he thinks the Covenant commander is dead yet. But you're right, it would fit his personality better.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Sky Captain » 2018-12-05 01:40pm

Jelicoe could also asume Covenant have protocols in place just in case command ship is destroyed clearly defining who is next senior officer responsible for fleet if Watinree is killed.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by fnord » 2018-12-07 04:57am

Well, given Jellicoe's previously-shown optimistic outlook (*koff* sarcasm *koff*), he'd assume that as a matter of course - would fit with rest of overall military competence shown by the Covenant. Lord High Muckamuck #1 getting clobbered doesn't leave the Covenant fleet headless.

And north (bugger asking pardon for the fun) of 20% active Supercarrier casualties would start constraining how the Covenant can project force, even before the Sanghelli get to point of "hell with this". I'm guessing the ex-admirals involved were evenly split between potential-loyalist and potential-rebel?
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-12-15 12:43pm

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Reach Orbital Space
Shortly Afterwards (August 23rd, 2552 (UNSC Military Calendar))


The three Terran vessels flashed back into existence a safe distance from the potent orbital defences of Reach an indeterminable amount of time later. It was still an open question for the physicists of both Terra and Earth – there was a subjective time lag between jumping away from one location and appearing at the new one, a span of time that could stretch from the gap between frantic heartbeats for a close-range combat jump, to nearly five full seconds for the still-unsurpassed and uncontrolled jump of the Warspite from Aerilon to near Terra. But the various on-board chronometers showed no elapsed time at all between appearing and disappearing, even the most accurate atomic clocks stubbornly showed the jump was instantaneous. The UNSC shipboard AI’s that had, over the last month, racked up dozens of FTL jumps just added more fuel to the speculation – they too reported a sense that time passed during a jump even if their own hardware vigorously denied it.

All that was a question for the eggheads however, it most certainly was not something to concern the frontline spacers and officers, least of all their commanding Admirals. In Fleet Ops aboard the Jupiter, Admiral Jellicoe was musing over the results of their attempted decapitation strike. The more he thought about the issue the less convinced he was that it would have any effect beyond the material losses the enemy had suffered. The Covenant were proving far more proficient an enemy than the Cylons or the Wraith had ever been, they had one great advantage those vanquished foes sorely lacked: a clear command structure.

As the disorientation of the jump faded, Jellicoe immediately ordered a holo-conference with the other UNSC and Alliance commanders involved in defending Reach. This was not the same as UNSC HighCom, this was instead a group of pure frontline officers. Holograms flared to life, showing Lord Hood as overall commander, Admiral Cole from the Everest, Admiral Stanforth from Leviathan, Fleet Admiral Harper from Valiant, Admiral Whitcomb from the Trafalgar, Captain Suranov from his command station, Captain Keyes from the Pillar of Autumn, Admiral Pendragon from Phoenix. Admiral Kirov from Eridanus and Commodore Baird from Dreadnought. It was a complete who’s who of senior commanders.

Lord Hood spoke up first. ”Well John, how did the NOVA bomb fare?” Others, especially Whitcomb who had overseen the NOVA project looked quite keen to hear the answer.

John cleared his throat. “The enhancements to the bomb worked as planned, it was one hell of a big boom. Sadly, the Covenant are more cunning than we thought, only about 12 percent of their fleet was caught in the blast and destroyed or mission-killed, the rest are still intact or will be soon. One of their Supercarriers was killed in the blast and we killed two more in the immediate aftermath, but that still leaves seven of the frakkers left to hit us.”

Hood frowned, the news was not what they’d been hoping for. ”Did you manage to kill the enemy command ship?

Jellicoe’s frown matched the UNSC Admiral’s. “We think so. Janus gave us an 85% probability but the more I think about it the less of an effect I think it will have. For one, we don’t know the ship we killed was definitely the flagship and two, the Covenant have a full command hierarchy just like we do. I have serious doubts that simply killing their commanding officer will cause any effect on them beyond the material loss of the ship they were standing on.”

The assembled holograms exchanged significant looks. It was widely known in the Alliance that Jellicoe was almost the ultimate pessimist when it came to combat (only the dour Mikhail Kirov had him beat in that field) so this doubt was completely in character. What made it impossible to argue against was that Jellicoe usually had damn good reasons for that pessimism and it more often than not had saved lives, so no one was prepared to argue against it.

Harper spoke up next. “Well we know they’re coming, we know the direction, the numbers and we have about forty-five minutes until they drop back into realspace. Are we ready to deploy the mines?”

Captain Keyes answered that, his battle group had the fastest ships thanks to their uprated engines so they had been tasked with laying the minefields. ”We’ve got three-quarters deployed and armed, the rest will be done before the Covenant arrive. We’ve gone for a random dispersal in a single shell; all mines can be set for either proximity or remote detonation as needed.”

Jellicoe jumped in. “Set them for remote detonation, last thing we want is the bastards sending in a wave of frigates or corvettes as sacrificial goats to clear proximity mines.” Keyes nodded agreeably at that. John had another thought though. “Something else has occurred to me. What if the Covenant launch a diversionary ground attack on the fusion plants? We wouldn’t lose the ODP’s if that happened but we would lose the Fortress shield.”

Whitcomb grimaced. ”That occurred to us as well John. We’ve got Marine units in Corps-strength deployed in a defensive perimeter, another two brigades worth as a ready reserve as well as every available Spartan ready to deploy from Gamma Station to the surface as needed. We’d certainly appreciate your own Marine divisions as well, they’ve got a lot of effective hardware that would come in handy.”

John nodded. “You’ve got them Danforth.” He looked away from the conference call to his fleet coms officer. “Commander Harrison, Priority-One message to Generals Warwick and Salazar, First and Second Marine Divisions are to deploy immediately to the fusion plant defence perimeter on the surface of Reach and stay there until relieved. At once if you please Commander!” His tone permitted no argument and the younger officer turned and sent the message as fast as he could.

He turned back to his fellow commanders. “Ok, how are we working the space battle?”

Hood fielded that question. ”We’ll deploy the Reach Garrison, Michael’s Battle Group Zulu and our carrier force within the Fortress shield, that’ll be the anvil. Richard’s First Strike Fleet, Battle Group Keyes, Preston’s ships and your Alliance force will hide around the gas giant Sanctuary, once the Covenant fleet commits, you’ll jump into position to catch them between three fires – Richard’s fleet on one side, Preston, Keyes and your ships on the other and the ODP’s and remaining ships in front of them. “

Harper nodded as the plan came together. “Agreed. As tempting as it is to turn turtle within that marvellous shield of yours, I think we need to leverage the tactical mobility these FTL drives give us as much as we can. Jump, fire, reload, fire, jump again, rinse and repeat as long as we can. We’re going to lose a lot of ships and a lot of lives but it’s that or turn tail and run, and I’m sure as hell not doing that.”

Keyes threw down a proverbial gauntlet next. ”The rest of the fleet relies on the MACs in fixed mounts, my ships have the new ion cannon design that has proven highly effective against Covenant shielding thus far. We also have the best engines and manoeuvrability. After the first MAC salvo, I’ll take my ships in on a thunder run through whichever part of their formation looks most promising, do as much damage as we can then jump out for another MAC salvo.” It was a bold, almost ludicrously brave plan that would put the Captain and his ships in nearly unparalleled danger but this was a fight that would demand such courage and more.

Hood simply nodded, knowing full well the brilliant Captain’s odds of survival had just fallen well below fifty-fifty. ”Godspeed, Captain. One other thing, I want everyone’s fighters deployed as additional cover from the ODP’s and other orbital stations. They’ll answer to Trafalgar’s Air Boss, Commodore Hawkins.”

Jellicoe nodded. “I’ll happily give you the Cobras, Vipers, Raptors and Scythes, but I’d like to keep the Scimitar bombers in reserve for jump-shoot-jump strikes on targets of opportunity. Between Nemesis, Jupiter, Phoenix and Eridanus I’ve got twelve squadrons, two hundred forty bombers with full war-loads that will put a hell of a dent in Covenant battle groups. Tactical mobility, just like Richard said.” He looked over at the tactical display again, Justin time to see the two Warstar’s blossom with smaller contacts as the big Leopard dropships began ferrying the two Marine divisions to the surface. “I see the Marines are as punctual as ever. I’ll have to put them in for a commendation if we survive this mess.”

Harper smiled. ”If we do make it to tomorrow they’ll be the mother of all parties.”

Hood nodded in agreement at the gallows humour. ”Quite right Admiral, I’ll have to open up that Scotch I’ve been saving for a special occasion. Right, we now have just under forty minutes to game time, deploy your fighters as needed and take your stations. I will have a final broadcast ready for when the enemy arrive, you need not prepare for it.” With that, the conference ended and Jellicoe was left with only his own Fleet Ops Centre and battle staff for company.

In that single moment, the crushing loneliness of command hit him full force. In Hood, Harper, Stanforth, Whitcomb and especially Cole, Jellicoe had found peers, comrades, those who understand the terrible privilege that was commanding a fleet in battle. Now, he was left with only subordinates, exceptional ones to be sure, but no peers, equals or friends, no one else to turn to; the command of the massed forces of the Alliance fell to him and him alone. His peers had their own fleets to command, his superiors were not even in this universe – and part of him pointed out that while Lethbridge-Stewart and Bill Adama outranked him, he had more fleet command experience then both of them combined. He shook off those surprisingly painful thoughts and focused on the orders he needed to give.

“Send to all ships: prepare to jump to holding position in close orbit of Sanctuary. All fighters and gunships are to be ready to deploy before we leave Reach orbit and will take orders from the UNSC Fleet Air Boss on the Trafalgar. All Scimitar bombers are to move up to Alert-Five status and loaded with full nuclear payload. All ships will step up to Condition One.”

The orders went out, the various manoeuvre elements jumped to their holding positions, guns were loaded, missiles armed, damage-control teams pre-positioned to respond to incoming fire, the sickbays and hospitals cleared for imminent wounded. Throughout the Epsilon Eridani system hundreds of ships, thousands of fighters and hundreds of thousands of spacers, pilots and Marines readied themselves for what promised to be an apocalyptic battle.

Minutes passed until soon the Covenant were only a few moments away. A new voice broke into the various radio and wireless channels as Fleet Admiral Lord Hood gave his final commands:

“To every spacer, pilot, officer and Marine preparing to defend Reach, listen well. In a few minutes the Covenant will arrive, seeking to destroy our ships and burn our world as they have done so many times. We know this enemy, we know their ships and we know their methods. We know they will show no mercy and offer no quarter.

Well neither shall we! Throughout this war we have stood our ground and fought to the last to defend the civilians and the innocent. Recently we have found new friends and allies that brought us the tools to make that stand without it being suicidal. We have fought them before, we have beaten them before and we will do it again! This, right here, right now, is the moment this war turns.

Hundreds of years ago, two poets wrote some words that resonate to this day. A man from Wales wrote an entreaty to his father, a simple yet poignant plea: do not go gentle into that good night. We will heed those words. We will not go quietly. We will not go gently. The Covenant may triumph here, but they will have to kill each and every one of us first. Stand your posts, trust your fellows, and if needs be sell your lives dearly. Whether we live or die, the names of us and our ships will echo in eternity and future generations will know of our stand and say of us “they were warriors.”

A brief interruption came as slipspace portals opened and the Covenant fleet began reverting to realspace. Hood continued after a momentary pause, seemingly unfazed at the vast numbers arrayed against him.

“The barbarians are at the gates ladies and gentlemen. Time to welcome them in the proper fashion. All ships, all stations, sound General Quarters and prepare to engage the enemy. The sharp-eared among you will note I mentioned two poets. The second wrote a piece called The March of Cambreadth that gives me the words for my final command to you all.”

At that, Hood took a deep breath before giving that last command, knowing that those he had served with before would be expecting this: “Let not a one damn cur pass by!”

And over the comm channels came the voices of every ship Captain and their crews, every deployed pilot, the gunners on the ODP’s, the crews on the civilian structures, the Marines on the ground, anyone with a radio joined this one, stirring moment; a hundred thousand voices and more united in one cause as they gave the response the old poem and the even older martial tradition demanded:

”How many of them can we make die!”

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The battle begins!
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-12-15 01:32pm

Yes!

This pushed all my buttons. Well done!
"Beware the Beast, Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone amongst God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him, drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of Death.."
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-12-15 05:29pm

I should add that this is recommended listening for Lord Hood's speech, the March of Cambreadth itself, although this particular video calls it the March of the Tanith which is how I found it a few years ago.

Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-12-15 06:29pm

Eternal_Freedom wrote:
2018-12-15 05:29pm
I should add that this is recommended listening for Lord Hood's speech, the March of Cambreadth itself, although this particular video calls it the March of the Tanith which is how I found it a few years ago.

Have it on my HDD and both devices. I first heard of the song while reading Kris Longknife:Defiant, by Mike Sheppherd, aka Mike Moscoe.

(it's the best novel of the Longknife series, before Moscoe started nerfing Kris)
"Beware the Beast, Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone amongst God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him, drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of Death.."
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-12-15 06:30pm

Also, it's almost obligatory to perform this at RenFairs.
"Beware the Beast, Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone amongst God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him, drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of Death.."
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-12-15 07:09pm

To answer your comment in the Venting thread, that final, rousing speech and those last two lines have been percolating in my head since I decided to include the assault on Reach in the plot for Book Two. I also cribbed lines or sentiments from about a half-dozen different inspiring speeches elsewhere (including, amazingly enough, one given by a Dalek in Mechmaster's "Second Empire" comic).

Writing this chapter and the previous two was a real pain, not least in trying to fit it in around real-life. I can see how the battle will play out, both in space and on the ground. I can see the different elements, the personal stories, the continued Sabaton shoutouts (which will be in-universe ones, which I'm quite proud of and completely unsubtle), the losses and the triumphs...it was just getting both sides up to the starting gate proved harder than I had planned.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-12-15 10:35pm

For the way and the might of the Cole, in the name of his glory..
"Beware the Beast, Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone amongst God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him, drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of Death.."
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Eternal_Freedom » 2018-12-16 06:04am

If there was a way to "like" posts on this forum that line would have a bug thumbs up from me :D
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."

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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by fnord » 2018-12-16 12:38pm

Jacob's Wild Ride, echoing Frankie's?
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Re: The 13th Tribe Book II: A Symphony of War

Post by Sky Captain » 2018-12-16 12:55pm

Yeah, Bring it on!


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