School safety drills

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-09-10 07:36pm

Yesterday my school held an attack drill. We were instructed to close the curtains (so they can't pick out targets) get on the floor (reduce target area) and lock the doors (so the tardy students are trapped out in the open, easy pickings for the killers). Has anyone else had to go through similar drills? What is your opinion?

GoneCrazy · Post by **GoneCrazy** » 2002-09-10 07:41pm

we haven't gone through that. seems really stupid. if i were gonna kill people i'd load a briefcase with c-4 go to all commons area before school or during lunch and go BOOM!! (it would work better in the middle school, before school all 800-900, depending on how many's absent, are in the commons) big BOOM!! and i've killed almost as many people as in the world trade center. IT'D BE AWESOME!! (unfortunately, i haven't got the faintest clue where to buy c-4 or how to make it)

Post by **Dalton** » 2002-09-10 07:44pm

Should be no surprise that I think you're fucking insane...

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-09-10 07:44pm

Yeah, we have a stupid ass "red alert" where we all huddle in the corner away from the doors and windows. So when the shooter gets into the room, it'll make it so instead of corpses away from each other, there will be corpses hunched over against each other in a giant pool of blood.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-10 08:58pm

I've watched some of thos drills after columbine

I though hmm as an attacker what would I do?

Ok, Hmm AK-47 say is my weapon. Bring plently of gernade each door, smash the window(Most schools have Window Doors) with the Gun Stock or a Hamer or somthing I brought along for that. Toss in Gernade and laugh Manacily, while reminding each and everyone room THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOCK YOURSELF IN A SMALL ROOM!

Considering the relative pacing I could get maybe 8-12 rooms per mintue, 20 if I was in a hurry while still watching for any rent-a-cops who have to open all those nice loud doors they never oil or replace

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-09-10 09:07pm

Well considering I am no longer in HS I really don't have to worry about shootings(as if i was worried in the first place

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My middle school did something like that once, i came late to school that day and was on my way to class in my jacket with my bookbag. A group of cops and the principal almost tackled me to the ground. I spent an hour explaining how I was late and had no idea about the test. Quite embarrasing.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-10 09:12pm

My school hasn't had a procudure like that, but there are always a few police on hand.

With fully loaded Glocks. And flashbangs.

All I can say, is, some nut tries to shoot up MY school, they get their ass handed to them in a very painful, lead-filled way.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-10 09:20pm

With fully loaded Glocks. And flashbangs.

All I can say, is, some nut tries to shoot up MY school, they get their ass handed to them in a very painful, lead-filled way.

Glocks and Flashbangs?

The Glocks... Typical dumb police, Those are no good aginst a smart Kevlared oppent

The Flash-bangs however, That IS quiet intellgent, What ever crat thought that one up give them a nice thanks the next time you see them because anyone wanting to harm your school is not coming in with a .22 Pistol

They will bring an AK

But those flash-bangs, Well its the diffrence between you getting iced, and living through it

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-09-10 09:21pm

SolidSnake wrote:Yeah, we have a stupid ass "red alert" where we all huddle in the corner away from the doors and windows. So when the shooter gets into the room, it'll make it so instead of corpses away from each other, there will be corpses hunched over against each other in a giant pool of blood.

The idea behind huddling is so that the students on the outside act as bullet/frag catchers for the students on the inside. It will reduce casualties, to a point, provided the attacker(s) isn't armed with weapons powerful enough to shoot through bodies.

These <cough> 'attack drills' appear to be primarily designed to deal with student shooting rampages rather than terrorist attacks. Locking all the doors isn't going to do all that much good if the likes of al Qaida show up with RPGs or a suicide truck bomb. As such it seems rather insensative--indeed, bordering on the bizzare--to hold one of these exercises so close to the Sept 11 anneversary, when the student base is already rather jittery.

Of course, the best defense against students honoring 'take your assault weapons to school' day is to prevent the creation of a corrosive social atmosphere that drives people to flip out. But that's too much like bleeding-heart liberalism for most parents and school administrations to accept....

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-09-10 09:29pm

I disagree on the AK. Assault rifles are expensive, slow, and require personal presence to work. I predict the next one will be a bomb attack. With bombs you can kill a lot of people at one time without having to worry about the police until it's too late.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-10 09:30pm

The Glocks... Typical dumb police, Those are no good aginst a smart Kevlared oppent

All of them are quite good shots. Headshots, perhaps?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-09-10 09:56pm

My school hasn't done anything like that, 5000 kids and too many of them would take advantage of it.

Personally I like to sit so I face the door and am relativily close to it. So if someone bursts in firing, I'll probly won't be the first shot(if the hick has any sense he'll fire at the closest person first) so as he's shooting I can try to force him into close quarters where is rifle isn't as effective and hope he doesn't have a knife or handgun.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-10 10:06pm

The school I once worked at had a similarly stupid plan. Instead of coming to me to work on their plan, they had a "Planning Comission" come out and work on it. It consisted of the Principal, Super Intendent, and one teacher who knew nothing about tactics. It included such obvious errors as moving away from windows so that anyone looking in will easily be able to see students and faculty members, instead of concealing them beneath the windows where they would be harder to spot. It also included such blunders as not moving students who are ALREADY OUTSIDE and near a creek with several bridges nearby AND in uniform so they will be easy to identify, and they didn't move them across the creek! They left them on the school side of the creek so they would be "easier to track down, and would not run off."

When the Principal started talking, some of the history department members and I attempted to get them to change the plan in an effort to make the students safer, instead of placing them in more danger. We were unable to affect change because the planning commission had worked on it, and was more important than any teachers, even AFTER we had convinced the Principal and the Super Intendent that the plan was badly flawed. By the time the planning commission reconvened, they decided not to do anything because during the two months we spent talking to them about it the students had already undergone one drill and to change the plan would cause "confusion during an actual emergency, during which discipline may be necessary to protect the safety" of the students!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-10 11:02pm

All of them are quite good shots. Headshots, perhaps?

Kevlar Helmets/Faceplates, They are not perfect protect but a glock IS a Pea-shoters after all so a decent Cop Riot Shield, easily aviable at some gun-shows would stop 10-20 bullets easily

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-09-11 01:11am

Police are trained to go for body shots. Kevlar is helpful.

GoneCrazy · Post by **GoneCrazy** » 2002-09-11 05:26pm

Raxmei wrote:I disagree on the AK. Assault rifles are expensive, slow, and require personal presence to work. I predict the next one will be a bomb attack. With bombs you can kill a lot of people at one time without having to worry about the police until it's too late.

a good idea. does anyone know how to build remote controlled bombs? are they possible? and does anyone know how big of an explosion one of them'd make?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-11 05:44pm

I know how to make pipebombs, courtesy of a camp counsler. But..

...why do you want to know? It's rather scary.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-09-11 05:51pm

GoneCrazy wrote: a good idea. does anyone know how to build remote controlled bombs? are they possible? and does anyone know how big of an explosion one of them'd make?

It is possible but I suggest you take up a more relaxing hobby.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-11 05:53pm

GoneCrazy wrote:
Raxmei wrote:I disagree on the AK. Assault rifles are expensive, slow, and require personal presence to work. I predict the next one will be a bomb attack. With bombs you can kill a lot of people at one time without having to worry about the police until it's too late.

a good idea. does anyone know how to build remote controlled bombs? are they possible? and does anyone know how big of an explosion one of them'd make?

You can strip the parts needed for a remote control bomb out of a remote control car, though range would suck and might not work though a building wall. The parts needed for longer-range radio control are not that hard to get though.

But really, if it’s a school a timer will work just fine as you can predict down to the minute when some areas will be packed with people.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-11 05:55pm

Radio Controled bombs verry in diffuclty from everything from the dead easy(C-4 tied to a remote activator used in TV sets to change the channel except it triggers the bomb instead, Strickly LOS Laser)

To GPS bombs which explod when they reach a certian location or are quired in a parituclar way

Depends on how syphisictated you want it

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-11 06:01pm

I'm not sure which is more disturbing...the fact that people actually know how to make remote controlled bombs, or that they freely distribute the knowledge.

Eh. This is the 21st century. We can all be mass-murderers now.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-11 06:07pm

GoneCrazy wrote:
Raxmei wrote:I disagree on the AK. Assault rifles are expensive, slow, and require personal presence to work. I predict the next one will be a bomb attack. With bombs you can kill a lot of people at one time without having to worry about the police until it's too late.

a good idea. does anyone know how to build remote controlled bombs? are they possible? and does anyone know how big of an explosion one of them'd make?

You can strip the parts needed for a remote control bomb out of a remote control car, though range would suck and might not work though a building wall. The parts needed for longer-range radio control are not that hard to get though.

But really, if it’s a school a timer will work just fine as you can predict down to the minute when some areas will be packed with people.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-09-11 07:02pm

GoneCrazy wrote:we haven't gone through that. seems really stupid. if i were gonna kill people i'd load a briefcase with c-4 go to all commons area before school or during lunch and go BOOM!! (it would work better in the middle school, before school all 800-900, depending on how many's absent, are in the commons) big BOOM!! and i've killed almost as many people as in the world trade center. IT'D BE AWESOME!! (unfortunately, i haven't got the faintest clue where to buy c-4 or how to make it) :evil:

I sense much hostility in you, young one. I'd suggest finding slightly less destructive outlets for your anger. Get laid, damnit . . . or maybe trying to get laid has made you this way.

But seriously, I hope you're kidding when you say "IT'D BE AWESOME."

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-11 07:03pm

Hey, we'll ALL seriel killers now.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-09-11 07:09pm

Well, remember kids, these attack drills are for your own good! After all, the American school system is the first place Bin Laden wants to attack!

I tihnk it's quite disturmbing you all know how to make and detonate a .