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Bill Maher is a douchebag. In other news, water is wet.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-11-22 02:10am

https://ew.com/movies/2018/11/12/bill-m ... -reaction/
Bill Maher clarified — yet also doubled down — on his controversial comments about the late Marvel legend Stan Lee.

The HBO Real Time host told Larry King in an interview posted Wednesday that he didn’t intend any offense to Lee’s memory, but that comic book fandom culture’s explosive reaction to his diss “proves my point.”

“Talk about making my point for me,” Maher said. “Yeah, I don’t know very much about Stan Lee and it certainly wasn’t a swipe at Stan Lee…I am agnostic on Stan Lee. I don’t read comic books. I didn’t even read them when I was a child. What I was saying is: A culture that thinks that comic books and comic book movies are profound meditations on the human condition is a dumb f—ing culture. And for people to, like, get mad at that just proves my point.”


The talk show host claimed he didn’t even realize people were mad because he doesn’t “follow social media like that, every stupid thing people lose their s— about.”

Originally, Maher wrote on his Real Time blog, “The guy who created Spider-Man and the Hulk has died, and America is in mourning. Deep, deep mourning for a man who inspired millions to, I don’t know, watch a movie, I guess,” he wrote in the post, which he titled “Adulting. “Someone on Reddit posted, ‘I’m so incredibly grateful I lived in a world that included Stan Lee.’ Personally, I’m grateful I lived in a world that included oxygen and trees, but to each his own.

“Now, I have nothing against comic books — I read them now and then when I was a kid and I was all out of Hardy Boys,” he explained. “But the assumption everyone had back then, both the adults and the kids, was that comics were for kids, and when you grew up you moved on to big-boy books without the pictures.”

Maher went on to write how, in the past 20 years, “adults decided they didn’t have to give up kid stuff” and “pretended comic books were actually sophisticated literature,” while “some dumb people got to be professors by writing theses with titles like Otherness and Heterodoxy in the Silver Surfer.

“And now,” he continued, “when adults are forced to do grown-up things like buy auto insurance, they call it ‘adulting’ and act like it’s some giant struggle.”

Maher concluded his blog post by claiming our culture hasn’t “necessarily gotten stupider,” we’re just “using our smarts on stupid stuff.” He added, “I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to suggest that Donald Trump could only get elected in a country that thinks comic books are important.”


Lee’s team previously slammed the comments in an open letter as “frankly disgusting” and replied, “countless people can attest to how Stan inspired them to read, taught them that the world is not made up of absolutes, that heroes can have flaws and even villains can show humanity within their souls … Our shock at your comments makes us want to say ‘ ’Nuff said, Bill,’ but instead we will rely on another of Stan’s lessons to remind you that you have a powerful platform, so please remember: ‘With great power there must also come — great responsibility!'”
So, a beloved cultural icon passes away, and a washed-up second-rate comedian decides to demean him with tired old cliches about comic books being just for kids, and go so far as to suggest that Lee is responsible for the election of Donald Trump, in order to presumably show everyone how edgy and sophisticated he is. :wanker:
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Post by mr friendly guy » 2018-11-22 05:11am

To be fair, he seems to be implying that comic book readers are stupid or had misplaced priorities rather than Stan Lee caused people to elect Trump. Personally I don't think comics were mainstream that much until may be the 2000s, and had a large help from the Iron Man film. I don't think that potential Trump voters were much different than what they are before comics became mainstream, although there is some misogyny in geekdom.
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Post by Broomstick » 2018-11-22 05:34am

Sounds like yet another case of someone disrespecting what someone else likes for entertainment and/or relaxation and claiming that what they like is more sophisticated or something. Liking comic books or comic book movies is no more dumb than liking to watch professional sports - games are for kids! Grow up! - or any number of other activities people engage in.

And yes, Bill Maher is a dick.
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Post by ray245 » 2018-11-22 09:53am

Is it hard to teach people not to be snobby about their personal preference? Like try teaching it to kids in schools? Because the world can be a better place if people don't try and demean people for their taste in entertainment.
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-11-22 10:50am

What did you people honestly expect from a psuedoliberal anti-vaxxer fuckwit?
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Post by Civil War Man » 2018-11-22 04:55pm

Maher went on to write how, in the past 20 years, “adults decided they didn’t have to give up kid stuff” and “pretended comic books were actually sophisticated literature,” while “some dumb people got to be professors by writing theses with titles like Otherness and Heterodoxy in the Silver Surfer.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-11-22 06:50pm

mr friendly guy wrote:
2018-11-22 05:11am
To be fair, he seems to be implying that comic book readers are stupid or had misplaced priorities rather than Stan Lee caused people to elect Trump. Personally I don't think comics were mainstream that much until may be the 2000s, and had a large help from the Iron Man film. I don't think that potential Trump voters were much different than what they are before comics became mainstream, although there is some misogyny in geekdom.
There's misogyny in the culture in general, but perhaps concentrated more in some aspects of geek culture, particularly superhero comics.

However, I wonder how much that's because of attitudes like Maher's. There is a general perception that comic books are for adolescent boys... so the companies cater primarily to (horny insecure) adolescent boys. Pretty much nobody writes and markets superhero comics for women, at least not on a large scale.
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-11-22 09:19pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:attitudes like Maher's
In particular, as expressed by Werthram and SOTI, which helped sell more comics than it helped suppress.

I wonder if Maher also thinks if Superman's a fascist and Wonder Woman's a lesbian.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-11-22 10:54pm

Maybe. Mind you, I don't actually think there'd be anything wrong with a lesbian Wonder Woman (personally I see her as bisexual).
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-11-23 05:28am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-11-22 10:54pm
Maybe. Mind you, I don't actually think there'd be anything wrong with a lesbian Wonder Woman (personally I see her as bisexual).
Nor would I, but Werthram's observation(and Maher's other comments about lesbians) incorporated the most negative stereotypes.
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