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The first rule of daycare

Post by muse » 2018-10-30 04:51pm

We don't talk about daycare.

https://fox2now.com/2018/10/29/daycare- ... on-camera/
St. Louis daycare ‘fight club’ caught on camera
Posted 10:38 pm, October 29, 2018, by Chris Hayes, Updated at 05:18PM, October 29, 2018

ST. LOUIS - Teachers at Adventure Learning Center on Gravois organized a one-day fight club for preschoolers in December 2016. The lead teacher organized it after the heater broke in an attempt to entertain the kids.

State regulators increased inspections after the incident. Follow up visits found other types of violations.

A 10-year-old captured video of the fighting with his iPad. He was with older kids in the next room. He was worried about his little brother who was crying after three fights.

In the video, you can see one teacher who appears excited as she’s jumping up and down. You can see another teacher putting hulk fists on preschoolers.

Mother Nicole Merseal cannot watch without crying. She told us, “He doesn`t understand why his friends were fighting him -- why he was beaten up by his best friends. And it was on his 4th birthday.”

The iPad video shows a fight in which the kids fall to the ground while a teacher kicks into the air in excitement. The only person who tries breaking it up is another preschooler, but he cannot stop one child from pounding the other`s head into the floor. Merseal believes it only stopped because her older son texted her video. She called the director to stop it. She said her older son texted the video saying… “The daycare was making them fight, not helping them.”

Daycare cameras recorded at least 30 minutes, fight after fight - video Merseal says can be monitored by staff.

Though it happened nearly two years ago, Merseal doesn`t think enough was done. She said, “I want them to be held accountable and I don`t want this to happen to any other child.”

The police report says the director immediately fired both teachers and called the child abuse hotline. The St. Louis Circuit Attorney`s Office declined to prosecute.

I reached out to both teachers. They had no comment.

Though state regulators substantiated the complaint, Adventure Learning Center Gravois continued operating normally, but with increased inspections. Eight visits since, document 26 wide-ranging violations - though none exactly like the fight club incident.

In March 2018, 'a 4-year-old child' said a teacher 'cussed at him, flicked him, grabbed him and pushed him to the ground.'

Also, in March - an 'agency staff member observed a caregiver...grab a child approximately 3- years-old by the arm and drag/carry the child.' the report adds that the '(director) was standing in this classroom and did not respond...'

Merseal wonders about training. She pointed to how a teacher noticed her son crying that December day in 2016. She said, “In the video, he`s wiping his face over and over again. The daycare worker - you see her walk over to him and tell him, you know - you`re fine and you know - pat him on the back and then walk and start another fight with other kids.”

She says now she struggles making her son realize fighting at daycare is not widely accepted. Merseal said, “When we chose a new daycare for him and he started going he asked me in the car if they were going to make him fight.”

No one from Adventure Learning Center Gravois would comment.

The St Louis Circuit Attorney's Office provided the following statement about declining to prosecute the teachers, "There was insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any laws were violated. However, that does not diminish the incredibly poor judgment by these adults who had the responsibility to safely supervise these children."

You can check out your childcare facilities inspection history by visiting the MO DHSS search portal here.

You can not only check child care centers but also group homes. Just type the name of the facility and hit “search.”
I'm not sure how you go from broken heater to preschool fight club. Does not compute.
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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-10-30 05:05pm

This is the same metropolitan area where shooting an unarmed black kid six to eight times center mass was considered self defense.

What else did you expect?
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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by Enigma » 2018-10-30 05:54pm

How can there be insufficient evidence when they have the videos of the fights with the teachers cheering them on?
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Re: The first rule of daycare

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And my wife doesn't think our kids need to learn MMA. Hah! I told you so!
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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by Raw Shark » 2018-10-31 12:56pm

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And my wife doesn't think our kids need to learn MMA. Hah! I told you so!
Gotta teach 'em early.


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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by Sea Skimmer » 2018-11-02 11:23am

Adventure Learning Center lives up to its name I see.
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How can there be insufficient evidence when they have the videos of the fights with the teachers cheering them on?
What law was violated? Kids fighting is not normally considered criminal in the first place, and lawyers could contend this is as legal as a school wrestling team. They'd have to make some corrupting a minor charge stick and no doubt judged that as too much trouble.
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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by TheFeniX » 2018-11-02 01:14pm

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2018-11-02 11:23am
What law was violated? Kids fighting is not normally considered criminal in the first place, and lawyers could contend this is as legal as a school wrestling team. They'd have to make some corrupting a minor charge stick and no doubt judged that as too much trouble.
Kids fighting is definitely illegal, even if cops are usually willing to chalk it up to "boys will be boys." Public schools, at least around my area, had some kind of weird policies in place where assaulting another student was treated as an offense toward the school, rather than the assaulted. However, there's nothing to stop a law enforcement from arresting and charging young kids for fighting using various laws in place, even if the school wants to handle it in house.

I know recording is prohibited at our daycare. That could be the reason the video evidence isn't admissible.

For the record: a "wrestling" team or damn near any sport (especially for kids under... I think 12) parental permission are waivers of liability are a thing. You can't even do pee wee without signing more than a few documents, at least when I was a sprat. So, any talk of "it was a legitimate fight club" is going to be hard pressed as a defense when I doubt any parent signed a waiver saying "let other students beat my kid's ass."

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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by Tribble » 2018-11-02 03:23pm

TheFeniX wrote:
2018-11-02 01:14pm
Sea Skimmer wrote:
2018-11-02 11:23am
What law was violated? Kids fighting is not normally considered criminal in the first place, and lawyers could contend this is as legal as a school wrestling team. They'd have to make some corrupting a minor charge stick and no doubt judged that as too much trouble.
Kids fighting is definitely illegal, even if cops are usually willing to chalk it up to "boys will be boys." Public schools, at least around my area, had some kind of weird policies in place where assaulting another student was treated as an offense toward the school, rather than the assaulted. However, there's nothing to stop a law enforcement from arresting and charging young kids for fighting using various laws in place, even if the school wants to handle it in house.

I know recording is prohibited at our daycare. That could be the reason the video evidence isn't admissible.

For the record: a "wrestling" team or damn near any sport (especially for kids under... I think 12) parental permission are waivers of liability are a thing. You can't even do pee wee without signing more than a few documents, at least when I was a sprat. So, any talk of "it was a legitimate fight club" is going to be hard pressed as a defense when I doubt any parent signed a waiver saying "let other students beat my kid's ass."
That's interesting. In Canada children under the age of 12 cannot be charged criminally, though they may be detained for mental heath grounds (eg if they are especially violent).
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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by Sea Skimmer » 2018-11-02 07:29pm

TheFeniX wrote:
2018-11-02 01:14pm
Kids fighting is definitely illegal, even if cops are usually willing to chalk it up to "boys will be boys."
Actually no it isn't. The age of criminal responsibility varies in the US but it is nowhere lower then age 7 and 10-14 is more typical, often with additional caveats that the court must presume the child did not know a given action was wrong unless proven otherwise.
Public schools, at least around my area, had some kind of weird policies in place where assaulting another student was treated as an offense toward the school, rather than the assaulted. However, there's nothing to stop a law enforcement from arresting and charging young kids for fighting using various laws in place, even if the school wants to handle it in house.
These are preschoolers. They cannot commit crimes.

For the record: a "wrestling" team or damn near any sport (especially for kids under... I think 12) parental permission are waivers of liability are a thing.
Yeah and private institutions just about always require some kind of all encompassing waiver to be signed before a child can attend at all, and I'm sure this place did that. Public schools can't do that because they are required to take students. But this doesn't affect if activity is criminal or not anyway, it just affects civil liability. Meanwhile since these events actually took place in late 2016 it's probably already close or at the statue of limitations for whatever minor charges could ever be dredged up about something apparently nobody complained about at the time.
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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-11-02 09:20pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
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These are preschoolers. They cannot commit crimes.
Oh, I'm sure there are some Republican judges and prosecutors willing to try a preschooler as an adult, especially if said preschooler is non-white.
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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-11-03 06:35am

There was a judge in Georgia many, many years ago, who sentenced a kid to prison for stealing an ice cream bar.

(that sentence was subsequently overturned)

But, mainly, It's the adults in this who should be tried for, at the very least, contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by TheFeniX » 2018-11-05 01:06pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
2018-11-02 07:29pm
Actually no it isn't. The age of criminal responsibility varies in the US but it is nowhere lower then age 7 and 10-14 is more typical, often with additional caveats that the court must presume the child did not know a given action was wrong unless proven otherwise.
I apologize. I came at this from a high school perspective and didn't even get to the fact that toddlers cannot be charged with a crime.
Yeah and private institutions just about always require some kind of all encompassing waiver to be signed before a child can attend at all, and I'm sure this place did that. Public schools can't do that because they are required to take students. But this doesn't affect if activity is criminal or not anyway, it just affects civil liability. Meanwhile since these events actually took place in late 2016 it's probably already close or at the statue of limitations for whatever minor charges could ever be dredged up about something apparently nobody complained about at the time.
Actually due to this, I've asked my wife to get a copy of the waiver (that I didn't sign, mind you) for our daycare.

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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by aerius » 2018-11-17 12:59am

TheFeniX wrote:
2018-11-05 01:06pm
Actually due to this, I've asked my wife to get a copy of the waiver (that I didn't sign, mind you) for our daycare.
So what's the word and how good are their lawyers? Are they liable if your kid gets the shit beat out of him in a daycare sanctioned fight club?
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Re: The first rule of daycare

Post by TheFeniX » 2018-11-17 01:15am

aerius wrote:
2018-11-17 12:59am
So what's the word and how good are their lawyers? Are they liable if your kid gets the shit beat out of him in a daycare sanctioned fight club?
I'm married, my wife never does what I ask. She has said (2 times), "I'll ask them about it next time."

I mean... whatever... I just ignore it and keep gaming.

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