Re: Concerned about flight, advice??
Posted: 2018-06-20 07:05am
Holyshit I'm onboard it's going to take off now rid is it I did hope I'll post again
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Well nice knowing you then; tell the sharks I said hello! Assuming you somehow survive the break up of course.FancyDarcy wrote: ↑2018-06-20 06:55am I think it's going to crash, it's going to break apart after taking off i saw in a dream where this happened oh please i hope it wont, I've so to still see in the world
I empathize with you, but you need to go to therapy for your fear of flying. A therapist may be able to help you figure out why you are afraid, and how to relieve these fears, instead of just having to suffer through them. Since even though you hate flying, you still find yourself flying every several months anyway... It would probably be good if you could get help for that.FancyDarcy wrote: ↑2018-06-20 06:02am Man I think I'm a bit worse this time, just the thought of taking off is making me feel nauseous and dizzy, I can't belive it's six hours long. I'm so scared I'm going to die soon, I really can't think properly. So called logic is not helping, I just can't stop panicking right now..
There is, actually, if you're willing to sign up for a cruisers' forum and find crews that be willing to accept you as a passenger or a full crew member, depending on skills. But routes may vary and it is not a "pay, get onboard, get off at destination port".Elheru Aran wrote: ↑2018-06-20 01:20pm I mean, boat travel is still an option. A difficult one since there's little to no international boat travel that isn't monopolized by travel companies and cruise ships charging exorbitant prices, but it's an option.
Airports are designed to be at least okay for most people. Your reaction is unusual. That doesn't make you a bad person, but you might want to try to figure out where it's coming from. Do you have phobias of entirely open spaces, or large buildings in general?FancyDarcy wrote: ↑2018-06-20 03:05pmHmmm, well that was actually a rather pleasant and uneventful flight. I think there's something wrong about that airport: even after returning from a flight I've felt vaguely unsettled inside. I think it's the giant, open spaces and the super tall ceilings, and how all the shops seem rather "glingy" and over materialistic. It really promotes a super oppressive and frightening atmosphere. I found it strange how I actually felt somewhat relieved once inside the airplane, and further after it had climbed to 30k feet.
This doesn't sound like a normal airplane feature.Apparently sitting on the wing makes a huge difference. I remember last time, I flew on the very back seats of a airbus a330, and it was horrid on liftoff, and the rest of the flight was bumpy and unstable. Also does anyone know about the "twisted" interior of the a330? I remember a distinct sloping of the interior which I didn't notice, or it didn't become apparent until after the takeoff, where I actually thought the aircraft was breaking apart for a while.
That's normal. The g-force from liftoff is NOT normally very strong in commercial aircraft; typical g-forces are 1.2 or maybe 1.5g, which is not enough to 'knock you to the floor or pin you into a seat' unless you are physically disabled or unusually frail.Sitting on the wing made it actually difficult to feel the g force from liftoff. Usually they're very strong, enough to knock you to the floor or pin you into a seat with no hope of moving, but I almost didn't notice the plane had taken off until I saw the street lights and buildings falling away.
While that could have been because they rose to fly over some bad weather and caught a tiny amount of the bad weather, it's also possible that it's your anxiety boosting your perception of very small sensations that most people just ignore.The accent too 39k feet was very calm, and for the majority of the flight, I could not physically feel any movement except vibrations. For some reason I became afraid when it later ascended to 41k feet, and it seemed slightly more raw and less smooth.
Large amounts of rapid blood flow tend to get people's attention very quickly. You should not assume other people will just ignore this kind of thing. If you know people who would ignore this kind of thing, they are very stupid and uncaring, and you should avoid such people in future.I tend to post silly rubbish when I'm very nervous, but I wondered on the flight how dangerous a bleed of the posterior nose section from the veins would be, since the air is so dry. That could almost be as bad as crashing, since no one would take me seriously until I was almost dead. I can just imagine blood pouring out uncontrollably, and people just telling me to "calm down, it's just a nosebleed from the dry air don't worry haha".
That is not how people work. It is super double plus not how trained professionals like the staff on an airplane work. Remember that if you almost die on an airplane, you can sue them for not providing medical care. If you do die, your family can sue. The airline does not want to lose millions of dollars in a lawsuit because they hired callous untrained fuckups who would ignore someone's life-threatening medical problem.I can imagine this would continue until I was showing very obvious signs of blood loss or shock, even then people would probably just think I'm putting it on.
Uh, yeah - airlines are careful about how much g-force the passengers get to experience and Simon is pretty much on the mark here.Simon_Jester wrote: ↑2018-06-20 07:28pmThat's normal. The g-force from liftoff is NOT normally very strong in commercial aircraft; typical g-forces are 1.2 or maybe 1.5g, which is not enough to 'knock you to the floor or pin you into a seat' unless you are physically disabled or unusually frail.FancyDarcy wrote: ↑2018-06-20 03:05pmSitting on the wing made it actually difficult to feel the g force from liftoff. Usually they're very strong, enough to knock you to the floor or pin you into a seat with no hope of moving, but I almost didn't notice the plane had taken off until I saw the street lights and buildings falling away.
Yeah while you can get pushed to the seat or knocked out of your feet if standing, when on a plane that's lifting of that's inertia that's doing it not g-forces (since you start at essentially standing still and acclerate to speed in a rather short time), but that's harmless and can happen even in a car that's making rapid movements (hell even to small degree if you're running fast and make a quick turn) if not quite as strongly.Broomstick wrote: ↑2018-06-20 08:16pmUh, yeah - airlines are careful about how much g-force the passengers get to experience and Simon is pretty much on the mark here.Simon_Jester wrote: ↑2018-06-20 07:28pmThat's normal. The g-force from liftoff is NOT normally very strong in commercial aircraft; typical g-forces are 1.2 or maybe 1.5g, which is not enough to 'knock you to the floor or pin you into a seat' unless you are physically disabled or unusually frail.FancyDarcy wrote: ↑2018-06-20 03:05pmSitting on the wing made it actually difficult to feel the g force from liftoff. Usually they're very strong, enough to knock you to the floor or pin you into a seat with no hope of moving, but I almost didn't notice the plane had taken off until I saw the street lights and buildings falling away.
I've been at +3 g's myself (officially measured by a g-meter) and while it's certainly uncomfortable I had no trouble moving. Indeed, it was sort of essential as I was flying the airplane at the time.
I do normally advocate drugs. I won't get on a plane without some serious benzos. Xanax is my favorite, but I'll take what I can get. I pop 1/4 of a Xanny Bar an hour before the flight, then chew another 1/4 in the security line, and I'm A-OK by takeoff as long as I have a book or other distraction.Broomstick wrote: ↑2018-06-20 04:18pmI don't normally advocate drugs, but seriously, this is NOT a normal level of concern. Next time, go to a doctor and ask for tranquilizers or something. Wait - explain the problem first, THEN ask for the medications.
To be fair, weighing three times what you ought to would certainly be enough to "knock you off your feet or pin you to your seat."Broomstick wrote: ↑2018-06-20 08:16pmUh, yeah - airlines are careful about how much g-force the passengers get to experience and Simon is pretty much on the mark here.
I've been at +3 g's myself (officially measured by a g-meter) and while it's certainly uncomfortable I had no trouble moving. Indeed, it was sort of essential as I was flying the airplane at the time.
Well, sure, but he said movement was impossible, not that dancing in the aisles was impossible. Under 2-3 g's I am capable of moving my arms and legs, shifting in my seat, I'm not "pinned" although I'd much prefer sitting down to even attempting to stand up. I'm pretty sure I have the physical strength to stand up under such circumstances, given that the weight isn't concentrated but rather distributed over your entire body (it is weird to suddenly be aware of how much your eyelids weigh) but it would not be my preference. For damn sure my heart would be pounding like a jackhammer - just sitting down under such circumstances you can feel your heart working harder.Simon_Jester wrote: ↑2018-06-21 08:34amTo be fair, weighing three times what you ought to would certainly be enough to "knock you off your feet or pin you to your seat."Broomstick wrote: ↑2018-06-20 08:16pmUh, yeah - airlines are careful about how much g-force the passengers get to experience and Simon is pretty much on the mark here.
I've been at +3 g's myself (officially measured by a g-meter) and while it's certainly uncomfortable I had no trouble moving. Indeed, it was sort of essential as I was flying the airplane at the time.
So for a typical adult female (weight, oh let's say 150 pounds), this is equivalent to wearing a 300-pound suit of heavy armor or padding or big packs full of rocks or something. Normal movement, the kind where you get out of your chair and move around in the aircraft, would be pretty impractical, though maybe possible if it was a life-or-death matter. Assuming that you, Broomstick, are of roughly average height and build, it would be a bit like you trying to move around while giving an NFL linebacker a piggyback ride.
It could also have Bad Consequences for the elderly, the frail, and others on board - if the OP was really on an airliner beating up the passengers to that extent he wouldn't be the only one in distress.Moreover, 3g forces are something commercial pilots never voluntarily expose their passengers to, because what kind of moron would willingly do that? It's uncomfortable, and an airline that makes its passengers uncomfortable when it doesn't have to is an airline that goes out of business.
Yep. It's deliberately kept as low and non-disruptive as possible.So as we're saying, commercial pilots tend to exert the minimum amount of g-force consistent with getting the plane off the ground at all, and with navigating the skies. This is a pretty low amount.
Oh, yes, it's clearly an amplification of small effects as a result of severe anxiety.The fact that FancyDarcy is perceiving these low amounts as 'knock you on your ass' forces suggests, again, that his anxiety is leading him to experience exaggerated sensations (small risks appear certain to occur, small forces appear large and insurmountable, small distractions appear overwhelming, and subtle or imaginary things like a tilt in the floor appear great and certain).