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Thought this was pretty interesting. . . .Granted many of us likely at least know some of this
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/20 ... ually.html
When Dr. Anthony Marcus, chair of the anthropology department at New York’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, kicked off a massive study of underage sex work in America in 2008, finding interview subjects was easy. Marcus and his team of researchers met minors working as prostitutes in New York City, then gave each of them three coupons they could redeem for $10 if they brought back more teens for interviews. Soon, their network grew large enough that they had reached their goal of interviewing 300 minors working in the city, the largest data set of its kind. But as soon as they moved the operation to Atlantic City, N.J.—a much smaller venue, but one that they’d heard had an “epidemic” of commercial sexual exploitation of children—the coupon system fizzled out. Underage sex workers in Atlantic City were almost impossible to find.

Unable to find their subjects, the researchers reached out to members of the city’s anti-trafficking task force—including local social workers, law enforcement officials, and religious leaders—for leads. At night, they sat on cinder blocks on the boardwalk with cartons of cigarettes, handing out coupons and sharing smokes with street hustlers and drug dealers. One researcher moved into Atlantic City’s boarding houses to get closer to the market. But when they could only locate a handful of minors to interview, members of the anti-trafficking task force advised Marcus and his team that the underage sex market was “hidden” in the city. “Researchers like you will never gain their trust,” one member told them. “They all hide under the boardwalk, and none of the girls will be brave enough to talk to you. If they do, their pimps will cut their faces, and it will be your fault.” An FBI agent admonished the researchers that they were “too academic to do this study” and needed to talk in “police television slang” in order to win their trust.

Eventually, some members of the task force admitted that they had little personal interaction with underage sex workers themselves. “It soon became clear that as researchers staying up all night on Pacific Avenue we knew it better than they did, since they all lived in the suburbs and rarely saw Pacific Avenue after 5 p.m.,” Marcus and his co-author, John Jay anthropology professor Ric Curtis, wrote in an article on the experience last year. Finally, they raised the age limit of interviewees to 24 and conducted additional interviews with local pimps, drug dealers, customers, and business people to get a more comprehensive understanding of Atlantic City’s market. What they found was that the narrative of commercial sexual exploitation of children (or CSEC) they had been sold by local activists—one where knife-wielding pimps lure girls into prostitution then brutalize them into compliance—existed in only rare cases and didn’t describe most people’s experiences.

In the resulting study, “Conflict and Agency Among Sex Workers and Pimps,” released in this May’s ANNALS of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Marcus and Curtis (along with researchers Amber Horning, Jo Sanson, and Efram Thompson) interviewed a total of 372 sex workers (262 of whom were minors and 70 who had previously worked as minors) to present a more complicated idea of how the market for underage sex work functions, one that some well-meaning activists—and legislation like the Trafficking Victims’ Protection Act, which seeks to prosecute pimps to save underage sex workers—may not fully understand. Previous research in the area, much of which relied on interviews with a handful of underage sex workers who turn up in rescue institutions, rehabilitation programs, or in jail, “paints a skewed picture of the complex environment of prostitution,” they wrote. Really, “stereotypical pimps are far less common and important to street sex markets than would be expected.” In their sample, only 14 percent of female underage sex workers in New York City (and 6 percent of the males) had a pimp. Some testified that they had recruited their friends and boyfriends to help them with their business. And “all sex workers in both Atlantic City and New York City described experiencing increasing, rather than decreasing, agency and control over their work over time.” Many of the girls and boys they interviewed “had left pimps because they were violent, mentally abusive, lazy, poor business associates, unable to protect them, extracting too much money, or no longer fun to be around,” sometimes within days or weeks of meeting. One 17-year-old sex worker in New York says her boyfriend tricked her into sex work at the age of 12. But he’s not the one keeping her on the street—she left him and began working independently less than a year later. Another 17-year-old sex worker in Atlantic City says that she was initiated into sex work by a pimp, but dropped him after her first gig. “I’d rather work for myself,” she told them. “It’s more money.”

Pimps, too, failed to fit the stereotypical mold. “We were told pimps were not approachable because they were too dangerous and didn’t want to talk,” Marcus told me. “But all they wanted to do was talk, talk, talk—that’s what they do for a living.” Many pimps referred the researchers to their sex workers if they approached them in the right way, no cuts on the face required. (In addition to interviewing pimps in Atlantic City, the researchers spoke with 85 male pimps working in New York.) One pimp told them that going after underage girls constituted “pimp suicide,” not because it makes pimps vulnerable to harsh anti-trafficking laws, but because “teenage prostitutes don’t earn enough money,” Marcus says. In Atlantic City, they found, “those who first entered when over 18 years of age reported being approached by a pimp at nearly twice the rate of those whose entry occurred when they were minors.” And while some pimps boasted about exerting control over “their” sex workers, the women working with them told a different story. One sex worker named Diamond says that she had led her pimp to believe that he had initiated her into sex work, though she had been working for some time. She did it in order to hold up her pimp’s “narrative of hypermasculine enticement and feminine vulnerability,” as the researchers put it. Says Marcus: “It’s like when you listen to couples debating about who made the move on who.”

The image of the pimp who uses violence to keep unwilling sex workers on the street is real: One 14-year-old girl in New York told researchers that a pimp raped her after she attempted to leave; another told the story of her mother’s ex-boyfriend, who started pimping her out at age 11, and now tracks her down whenever she tries to run away. And even in the more common situations, when the pimp was either nonexistent or not such a menace, the sex workers weren’t exactly in optimal situations. “We did not encounter one [sex trafficking victim] who came to engage in sex work out of what one might call a fully realized choice: in every case their agency was constrained,” the researchers found. But “in very few of these cases was a ‘trafficker’ responsible for that constraint.” Rather, “it was a complex set of life crises or near-crisis points that compelled them into the sex trade.” Most of the underage sex workers they spoke with said their “biggest dangers” came from “customers, homelessness and drug addiction, rather than pimp-traffickers.” Eighty-seven percent of underage sex workers in New York they spoke to said they wanted to quit; most didn’t work with pimps.

Marcus and his colleagues conclude that the laws, like the Trafficking Victims’ Protection Act, that focus on nabbing the pimps and have led to “decriminalization of minors involved in sex work” are “wholly positive.” But “the logical premise of victimhood upon which this decriminalization rests is too narrowly construed to adequately respond to the realities these minors confront.” In other words, prosecuting pimps will only help a slim minority of underage girls and boys who turn to sex work.

Lucy Berliner, director of the University of Washington’s Harborview Center for Sexual Assault and Traumatic Stress, told me that she thinks Marcus’ work is “a valuable contribution” to the issue because it shows that “there’s a huge amount of variability under the umbrella of one named problem. Kids who are controlled by these brutal pimps are not the most common,” she said. But to her, the numbers game doesn’t obviate the need for the criminal justice system to go after the pimps who do participate in underage sex work: “Prosecute the heck out of them,” she said. “These are people who literally sell children’s bodies for money. That, in my mind, is a very heinous crime.” Valiant Richey, who has prosecuted pimps in King County, Wash., concurs. “The bottom line is: It doesn’t matter whether the pimp has forced somebody into it,” he told me. The reason, Richey says, is because “any time you have a situation where a juvenile is engaged in prostitution and an adult is helping her do it and profiting from it, you are talking about a situation that is inherently exploitive.” Prosecuting a pimp may not have “a measurable impact” on the wider sex trade, Richey says, but “it’s obviously extremely helpful in aiding the victim of that pimp. That cannot be overstated.”

Still, Berliner says, the pimp-focused approach will fail to reach the vast majority of underage sex workers who want to leave but have no adult forcing them to stay. “We haven’t really nailed down what works to get these kids back in the mainstream,” she says. “Many of them are quite disaffected. They’ve been thrown away by their families. The street has become a life they can negotiate relatively well. They’re not banging on our doors.”
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Looking at this, the conclusion is obvious.

We're not going to eliminate prostitution by cracking down on pimps, because it will proceed pretty much unchanged if the pimps all get chucked in jail. We might eliminate it by cracking down on the customers, but that runs into a lot of problems.

Basically, if we want to get these kids off the street (and prostitutes in general), we can't do it just by punishing anyone in the process. We're going to have to actually present this subset of the poor with a practical alternative that allows them to pursue education and a career and have some reasonable degree of comfort in their lives.

Otherwise, some people will trade dignity for survival, or dignity for comfort.
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Hear, hear. People have been trying to rid of prostitution through negative means for centuries, with absolutely no success; a working social safety net is the way to go.

Of course, that would be the 'soft on crime' approach, and so will never happen.*

*In the US, with current majority views, and barring any sudden shifts in public opinion or policy.
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I think dealing with many of these situations directly would cost less economically than what we end up doing - imprisoning and such.
Funny thing is that when you argue that, those you argue against will often argue that it is communist. You cannot win often.
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Esquire wrote:Hear, hear. People have been trying to rid of prostitution through negative means for centuries, with absolutely no success; a working social safety net is the way to go.

Of course, that would be the 'soft on crime' approach, and so will never happen.*

*In the US, with current majority views, and barring any sudden shifts in public opinion or policy.
Prostitution still happens in countries with a good social net. Either of people without access to the net (trafficked girls), people with monetary needs beyond the net's ability (addicts) or people who simply don't have a problem with it.

I'm in the latter group. Just legalise already!
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A good social safety net includes things like effective addiction care, and human trafficking is already illegal. Legalization would probably also work, but I'd rather use social programs because those will have broad benefits for everybody, rather than just making sex easier to find.
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There was an article just today on CBC news describing the phenomenon of middle-class girls between 22 and 30, having loads of student debt and poor prospects for employment, are turning to overt sex work or more wink-wink 'sugar daddy' arrangements to pay the bills - and are finding themselves making shitloads more money doing so for per hour worked than they would at retail or service jobs.

The real problem with the research in the OP is the fact that they wasted so much time sitting on street curbs - even the weakest of google-fu will tell you that the whopping majority of prostitutes in the US operate off of the internet - the handful of interviews out there with such girls show that they view 'streetwalkers' as generally amateurish and poor-quality ninnies who take vastly unnecessary risks and are themselves a big risk to clients. Think of it as the difference between hiring a day labourer soliciting from the sidewalk in front of Home Depot versus finding a contractor in the Yellow Pages.

It's a complicated issue.
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The real problem with the research in the OP is the fact that they wasted so much time sitting on street curbs - even the weakest of google-fu will tell you that the whopping majority of prostitutes in the US operate off of the internet
Indeed. Just look at the personals section of Craigslist (I was just curious...no, really). You'll see a shitload of barely-subtle advertisements for blowjobs and other sexual favors in exchange for roses (money).
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Esquire wrote:A good social safety net includes things like effective addiction care, and human trafficking is already illegal. Legalization would probably also work, but I'd rather use social programs because those will have broad benefits for everybody, rather than just making sex easier to find.
Thing is, if it were legalized it could be regulated. With legalization women wouldn't be nearly as scared to come forward to the police because of an abusive client or a pimp. Who wants to come forward for help when they might wind up getting arrested for it?
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Lagmonster wrote:The real problem with the research in the OP is the fact that they wasted so much time sitting on street curbs - even the weakest of google-fu will tell you that the whopping majority of prostitutes in the US operate off of the internet - the handful of interviews out there with such girls show that they view 'streetwalkers' as generally amateurish and poor-quality ninnies who take vastly unnecessary risks and are themselves a big risk to clients. Think of it as the difference between hiring a day labourer soliciting from the sidewalk in front of Home Depot versus finding a contractor in the Yellow Pages.
That's due to researchers lagging social trends. 25 years ago you didn't have Cragislist and internet hookers were a new thing and streetwalkers far more common. They used a research tool decades out of date.
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Esquire wrote:A good social safety net includes things like effective addiction care, and human trafficking is already illegal. Legalization would probably also work, but I'd rather use social programs because those will have broad benefits for everybody, rather than just making sex easier to find.
Thing is, if it were legalized it could be regulated. With legalization women wouldn't be nearly as scared to come forward to the police because of an abusive client or a pimp. Who wants to come forward for help when they might wind up getting arrested for it?
Here's my full train of thought:

Prostitution is both illegal and comes with a lot of attached social stigma, and so isn't many people's first choice of work. A (non-enslaved) prostitute is one because, for whatever reason, nothing better is available; that could be because they're a disadvantaged immigrant/minority/addict/etc with no other marketable skills or because they took out a bunch of student loans and would rather not work two minimum-wage retail jobs.

In either case, there's very little protection from society for the kinds of abuse you mention, since obviously the cops will start asking questions if you come to them when a client abuses you. Punishing prostitution does not get rid of it, regardless of which end of the arrangement you punish, so to solve this problem we have to address the root causes of prostitution. Legalization and government oversight is probably a better solution to the abusive situations prostitution sometimes creates or falls into, but by making it unnecessary we could both prevent those and also accomplish significant good in other sectors, such as actually treating drug addiction or coming up with a way to educate the next generation that doesn't create a de facto permanent underclass.

Plus, while I honestly don't care whether prostitution is legal or not, lots of people do. I suspect it'd be easier to fix and expand the existing social safety net than to get America to agree that prostitution should be allowed.
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Esquire wrote:
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Esquire wrote:A good social safety net includes things like effective addiction care, and human trafficking is already illegal. Legalization would probably also work, but I'd rather use social programs because those will have broad benefits for everybody, rather than just making sex easier to find.
Thing is, if it were legalized it could be regulated. With legalization women wouldn't be nearly as scared to come forward to the police because of an abusive client or a pimp. Who wants to come forward for help when they might wind up getting arrested for it?
Here's my full train of thought:

Prostitution is both illegal and comes with a lot of attached social stigma, and so isn't many people's first choice of work. A (non-enslaved) prostitute is one because, for whatever reason, nothing better is available; that could be because they're a disadvantaged immigrant/minority/addict/etc with no other marketable skills or because they took out a bunch of student loans and would rather not work two minimum-wage retail jobs.

In either case, there's very little protection from society for the kinds of abuse you mention, since obviously the cops will start asking questions if you come to them when a client abuses you. Punishing prostitution does not get rid of it, regardless of which end of the arrangement you punish, so to solve this problem we have to address the root causes of prostitution. Legalization and government oversight is probably a better solution to the abusive situations prostitution sometimes creates or falls into, but by making it unnecessary we could both prevent those and also accomplish significant good in other sectors, such as actually treating drug addiction or coming up with a way to educate the next generation that doesn't create a de facto permanent underclass.

Plus, while I honestly don't care whether prostitution is legal or not, lots of people do. I suspect it'd be easier to fix and expand the existing social safety net than to get America to agree that prostitution should be allowed.
Whether or not there's social stigma attached to it, no matter how much you try to make it "unnecessary" there's always going to be a market for it, and someone will try to capitalize on that. It's not called the world's oldest profession for nothing.
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Readily conceded. My only thought was that if we had a decent social safety net, most of the abuses and problems with prostitution would be covered by existing laws - anti-human trafficking, assault & battery, etc. If everyone is guaranteed a basically sufficient existence, nobody will be forced into prostitution to survive.
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Which is a good goal, but why keep it criminalized? How does it actually serve the public's interest to arrest women working in the industry? (Especially when most of the johns get off the hook with a slap on the wrist at best.)
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That... is a really good point, particularly if I'm right in suspecting that the only prostitutes left in that world will be really horribly victimised sex slaves or similar.
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Either that, or women who want to be prostitutes - not the low-level streetwalker types but the upscale courtesan and "escort" type.

I'd expect there would be some remaining low-level types, too, as you're not going to eliminate the customer-side demand for sex at the customer's convenience/desire, and someone will undoubtedly fill that need.

Regardless, you'd greatly reduce the criminal element.
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Esquire wrote:That... is a really good point, particularly if I'm right in suspecting that the only prostitutes left in that world will be really horribly victimised sex slaves or similar.
Do you know what a pro escort charges by the hour? These girls are making a day what they'd make in a month at any other job. Some make more in a week than I in a Month! I personally know (I know what you think - no, not in that way...) an escort girl who lives (well) by going on 1 or 2 "dates" per week. If they are reasonable, most can put enough money aside during their twenties to retire comfortable on it, especially when they retire with a good marriage, which happens quite often.

Even in brothels (Here in Austria, street walking has been banned, but prostitution is legal. Easier to enforce health and other regulations when the girls work at a known adress), according tho the bulletin boards I drive by, and radio commerials (no kidding!) thy usually charge about 60$+ per (commenced) half hour - and I know from reportages that they also get provision on drinks consumed. Ther eis huge money in there - most girls interviewed said that they are in for the "shitload" of money - they can still retire to stocking shelves once they aren't well-recieved on the market, anymore.
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(Here in Austria, street walking has been banned, but prostitution is legal. Easier to enforce health and other regulations when the girls work at a known adress)
Same thing in Las Vegas. Brothels are legal and quite preferred by Law Enforcement. Trouble is that there are just so damn many tourists, the number of street walkers is high simply due to supply and demand. Not much can be done in that situation without putting brothels on every street corner (currently they're outside city limits).
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Brothels are legal within city limits, but with certain restrictions (exempted areas for visible clubs, mostly around schools and some other public buildings).

We do not have any streetwalking left apart from some areas it's permitted (2 in Vienna), they crack down hard on that, so it ceased almost completely. Most girls work in "clubs" or simply at home. As long as you are licensed and operate from a fixed adress, it's all legal. A theory says that in Vienna, you could span a Wifi net over the whole town if you'd connect each of those "commercial bedrooms", about every other house has at least one.
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Sounds like a system worth copying. I hadn't really been considering the high-end side of things - cultural bias, I guess - but you raise very good points.
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