Walking Dead Season 3 Discussion (Spoilers)

[Lonestar]

I wonder how great a threat Woodburry is?

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They have a tank

[lance]

I wonder how great a threat Woodburry is?

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They have a tank

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lHow much gas would it take to get the tank to the prison?

[Meest]

I wonder how great a threat Woodburry is? They lost a a number of fighters in the last attack, and Michones escape wiped out a team. They have a lot of citizens, but those people have been having bbq's and cookouts not continual battle. Mearle is gone and he seemed to run most of their outside operations. They have heavy weapons, I think that's about it.

Would say it depends on how many towers cover the yard, any truck will go through that fence and Woodbury has army LUVs. Without multiple towers that one tower is a sitting duck, and once through the yard doesn't look like any good high up spots to perch unless there's some roof access. They're also outmanned still, they have one handful of shooters, where Woodbury looks to have a couple cars worth of dedicated fighters not counting how many they can recruit and use as fodder. Hoping Rick and company try to put up a bit more defense, couple cars covering the gate isn't enough.

Also surprised they really haven't gone forward with plans to use the jail, no planting of crops and no more clearing of cell blocks, or no mention of it at least. Maybe they will stretch out the jail siege or have couple of probing attacks and trojan horse style like the comics.

[spaceviking]

But a prison assault is going to be loud. If woodburry does not take the prison fast then more and more zombies are going to be showing up. Ricks group does not need to win, they just need to hold one area of the prison. Mearle did not think that Woodburry could take the prison, and that was with nobody shooting at them and Mearle leading them.

[Scrib]

Honestly, it seems to me that Merle was lazy and had different priorities. Go in methodically, lose a few people --> unacceptable because we have Woodbury already. That problem does not factor into the decisions of people like Rick who have nothing to lose. The Governor should have ripped off the bandage and gotten everyone to the prison but he wanted to create his little utopia so he got what he deserved.

[Flagg]

Axel, noooo! You follow me?

[Alyeska]

Andrea is still tempted by the dream of the safety of Woodburry. Good to see Daryl talking some sense into Merle. And Merle earned some points. But its clear he will still be a liability.

And there goes the last inmate. They already kicked out the other survivors. Great. This group is going to shrink and die.

[spaceviking]

How the fuck did that guy get in the guard tower?

[Flagg]

The real question is where the fuck did the person driving the zombiemobile go?

[spaceviking]

Also why didn't they fire at it. It was going to be full of something attacking them.

The governor is an idiot though, they should have brought more people and pushed through. How easy would it be for Daryl and Meale to go at night shoot a few people off the wall and retreat. Or better yet, break a section of the wall and start a fire.

[Meest]

Also why didn't they fire at it. It was going to be full of something attacking them.

The governor is an idiot though, they should have brought more people and pushed through. How easy would it be for Daryl and Meale to go at night shoot a few people off the wall and retreat. Or better yet, break a section of the wall and start a fire.

They had to show him being a champ again by just turning his head to avoid gunfire. Really sad that the action scenes are still lacking. They attack Woodbury like pros with great aim and super smoke cover, they get "surprise" attacked in daylight and go full on stupid. They aren't seasoned soldiers but they are seasoned survivors expected a bit more, just hope it's not them trying to show the girls can't survive without the men. The guy in the tower and in the woods stood up the whole time during the fight it was just silly, yet the driver of a somewhat armoured car gets plucked, just seems too plot driven on when people are good shots. Was expecting them to do more than just fortify an overpass deep in the jail.

So many minor annoying things, what happened to their car to blockade the outer gates (one of their only real outer defenses other than not manning towers), with Rick wondering and Glenn shouting orders they still felt it was ok to slack on watch duty when they know danger is supposed to be coming? Herschel allows Rick to go back out on walkabout even though he admits he knows he's not full on nuts and knows it's all visions, didn't think to remind him of two kids he might want to protect from a vengeful town to try and snap him out of it? Maggie and Glenn drama seemed a bit forced, why was she mad and pushed Glenn away when they finally try to work out the issues. She would rather Glenn just chill out and do nothing emotionally or physically to get over his end of the trauma, remember he was tortured too. Also didn't like that they almost imply that the yard is too dangerous now with two dozen walkers that Michonne can clear up in a few minutes and reseal. The trojan truck driver gets away in the open, Michonne like the rest just froze up.

Action rant aside, was almost a filler episode feel unless it was meant to coincide to what the governor was doing, just a recon or testing of the defenses even though it was full on cocky considering what he saw at the night raid. Hope it was a lull before the storm episode to contrast more chaos later.

[ArmorPierce]

Was that sheriff's bag that the governor had the sheriff bag that Rick had from season 1 or did he take the bag with him when he left the city and got back to camp?

[Flagg]

Yeah that was the same bag Rick had. I think Daryl had it when he was captured.

[Admiral Drason]

Andrea had the bag since the end of season 2. The governor took it from her when she and Michonne were brought to Woodbury.

[Ralin]

Does anyone else think that Merle's characterization is kind of at odds with his racism? I mean, I know people can compartmentalize and believe stupid crap while being smart in other areas, but Merle comes off as a bright guy, both in terms of practical skills and socially. Seems strange that he'd actually believe that sort of thing rather then just using it as a way to piss others off. Which granted maybe he was, but you'd think he'd have dropped it by now if that was all it was.

Maggie and Glenn drama seemed a bit forced, why was she mad and pushed Glenn away when they finally try to work out the issues. She would rather Glenn just chill out and do nothing emotionally or physically to get over his end of the trauma, remember he was tortured too

Just my speculation, not being a woman and all? I think the idea is that Glenn was hyper-focused on whether she was violated sexually, with the implication that the actual trauma and humiliation that she did go through was somehow not so bad by comparison. Which is the last thing you should even hint at under the circumstances.

Remember, the first thing he asked was "Did he...?" Not "Are you okay?"

[Scrib]

Does anyone else think that Merle's characterization is kind of at odds with his racism? I mean, I know people can compartmentalize and believe stupid crap while being smart in other areas, but Merle comes off as a bright guy, both in terms of practical skills and socially. Seems strange that he'd actually believe that sort of thing rather then just using it as a way to piss others off. Which granted maybe he was, but you'd think he'd have dropped it by now if that was all it was.

Merle is not a bright guy. He's cunning, in the way a rattlesnake or any other predator is. Nothing about that prevents you from being racist. Nothing he learned had to have been learned in a situation that would weed out racism.

Maggie and Glenn drama seemed a bit forced, why was she mad and pushed Glenn away when they finally try to work out the issues. She would rather Glenn just chill out and do nothing emotionally or physically to get over his end of the trauma, remember he was tortured too

Just my speculation, not being a woman and all? I think the idea is that Glenn was hyper-focused on whether she was violated sexually, with the implication that the actual trauma and humiliation that she did go through was somehow not so bad by comparison. Which is the last thing you should even hint at under the circumstances.

Remember, the first thing he asked was "Did he...?" Not "Are you okay?"

Yeah, it was his complete focus on the rape that was the issue.He almost turned it into a macho thing, his girl got raped, he had to go and avenge her. He didn't seem to have much comfort to give either, he fixated on that one thing.

[Alkaloid]

Yeah, it was his complete focus on the rape that was the issue.He almost turned it into a macho thing, his girl got raped, he had to go and avenge her. He didn't seem to have much comfort to give either, he fixated on that one thing.

It makes the governor much more insidious as well, because he set up the whole situation so there was no other conclusion Glenn can draw, and is assuming Maggie is in denial or lying to him, which pisses her off, all it does is add more tension to an already pretty fractured group. Guy is good at mind games.

As for the assault, the way it played out makes sense if you assume the Governor is just probing to find out what he is dealing with. It happened at the worst possible time for the defenders, even assuming they were all mentally stable. One of their main combatants is isolated outside the fence, the other is on the other side of the building, and the third is inside feeding a baby. Everyone else is either a child or essentially a non combatant except Michonne(spelling?) and maybe Herschel, he is exposed miles from any cover and she is on the gate, which is fair enough but its a really bad position because its isolated from the rest of the prison and relatively exposed. It takes Maggie a minute tops to sort out the baby, get outside and arm Beth, and she is the only one to tag one of their attackers, so I don't think its a women can't defend themselves without men thing, not that that didn't seem to be a major point of season 2 for some reason.

Frankly I think it's a setup so the Woodberry guys leave them for a few days to hope the walkers sort them out, and when they fall back to the cell complex roll in massively overconfident and get their arses handed to them so it plays out into the Gov trying to leverage Andrea as a hostage. The prison simply can't play out like is apparently does in the comics because there simply aren't enough cast members at this point to have an appreciable number of casualties even if the other group come back to help out, and I don't really see the show becoming about Rick wondering around the countryside with a group of people turning over every few months because frankly that's not a story. I'd even go so far as to say the comics aren't a good guide as to what happens from here because the cast is too limited to support it.

[Admiral Valdemar]

So, no one commenting about the return of a certain benefactor?

[aieeegrunt]

Jesus Christ Rick fucking sucks and needs to step (or be put) down.

[Wing Commander MAD]

Jesus Christ Rick fucking sucks and needs to step (or be put) down.

Don't suppose you'd care to elaborate?

[spaceviking]

Ya, kinda seems like this episode was a change from Rick's zombie walkabout behavior.

[Alkaloid]

Yeah, that was the least obnoxious Rick.has been in a long time.

I like how even though he's dead the show still plays off the difference between Rick and Shane as well.

And Andrea.I seem to be the only one that likes her but her efforts to try and be somewhat reasonable in a room full of lunatics make herseem like the last decent person on the planet sometimes.

[Ralin]

I like how even though he's dead the show still plays off the difference between Rick and Shane as well.

Could you elaborate on that?

And Andrea.I seem to be the only one that likes her but her efforts to try and be somewhat reasonable in a room full of lunatics make herseem like the last decent person on the planet sometimes.

"How dare you betray me by deciding you'd rather stay behind in a secure, comfortable community with nice people who have done us no wrong and offered us medical care, a place to sleep and supplies instead of coming back into the zombie-infested wilderness with me?!"

[Alkaloid]

Could you elaborate on that?

Shane would have handed over Michonne (Seriously, spelling? I have no idea) on the spot. The real difference between Rick and Shane as leaders is that Rick always tried to do the best for everyone in the group, even if that sometimes meant taking a greater risk to save some of the group, whereas to Shane the individuals in the group were expendable providing the group survived. Except Shane, of course he wouldn't be expendable, as he was the leader. Maybe Laurie, although if push came to shove I think he'd ditch her as well. Point is Shane never really considered the group to be anything important, to him it was people to do what he said, let him put his dick in them and stand between him and zombies. Rick saw them as people with individual value, who could do things for him but who were also integral to the group actually being a group, and that being in the group was important to leading it.

The result was that approximately 30 seconds after meeting these people Rick had taken over as leader from 'hard decisions' Shane, because Rick actually made hard decisions, where as Shane always took the easy way out. And even 9 months later, harder, meaner and more than half mad from grief, Rick is still going to make the same hard decisions because he is still a better leader and a better man than Shane was. Helped along by the fact that he had a pretty good read on the Governor and doesn't trust him one bit.

[tim31]

So, no one commenting about the return of a certain benefactor?

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