SilverWingedSeraph wrote:That's how you're a fucking racist, you piece of shit. Huge sweeping generalisations about an entire race. Turns out that's fucking racist. You're just as bad as the fucking racist shitheads I have to listen to here in Australia, bitching about how "All Abos are lazy jobless drunks who feed off our tax money".
You're an idiot, you have no understanding of what it takes to make a society of equals. You probably think reverse racism is something that actually exists.
I'm sure as hell not going to bother responding to you further, not because I'm conceding to you, but because you disgust me and I don't feel you're worth addressing beyond this.
Not all of them are this way, but all of them, that choose to claim it, are given special rights. This is regardless of need. The rich nations still have poor members because these benefits aren't evenly spread and native issues often spill into communities where people pay taxes to support their special status. Is what happened to them in the past right or fair or good? No, hell no. Is what is going on right now the correct way to solve things? No, not at all.
Jub wrote:It isn't and nobody should be pair reparations for things generations past did. If you're going to pay for hardship pay for current hardship. If you want to fix the issues then deal with the cause and not just treating the symptoms.
You are right; it is not different.
In both cases, the cause of the injury was not some random bunch of people; it was governments
Exactly, and the Canadian government isn't and hasn't tried to fix this in a way that is both respectful and effective.
Phantasee wrote:When you say "treated the same as other citizens" you are denying the fact that they are not citizens of Canada the same as you and I. They are First Nations, and those Treaties gave them a set of rights we can't take away from them. If that bothers you, go build a time machine and bitch to the people that signed those treaties. When your ancestors moved here, and gained their Canadian citizenship, they got the rights that go with that, but also the responsibilities. If you don't want them, move somewhere else that you think gives you a better deal.
So you're never aloud to bitch about anything that happened in the past because the past is set and can't be changed? The fact is that treaties can be changed and treaties are also ignored as it suits governments. Why are these treaties so important that they alone are set in stone?
Stark wrote:If nobody should be 'forced' to 'pay' for the actions of 'past generations', doesn't that introduce a hard limit on total reparations for anything, given ability to pay and the lifespan (or earning power) of those held to be responsible?
Maybe a nation as a whole can be held responsible! GASP.
That it does. Given the way some wrongs are paid for and others aren't all crimes should be paid for or none should. Why are some crimes paid for any many more not?