Now, in the bluntest way I can say this. Natives should have the same rights and responsibilities as any other citizen. I'm not saying they don't have issues and that we shouldn't deal with those issues. I just think we should deal with them the same way we deal with non-natives that have the same sorts of issues. After all, people are people.
Phantasee wrote:Man let me tell you something, as the son of immigrants that came over in the 80s, you know what we think when we see First Nations and the conditions they live in and learn the shit they had to go through? We think, "fuck, I wish I could do more for them." Don't go thinking all immigrants share your views.
Every single person in this country shares responsibility for the condition of First Nations today, because we prospered on the lands they were conned into giving up. If you don't want to accept responsibility for that, feel free to leave this country.
I see the local natives in my area and half of them are richer than average and the other half are dirt poor. I see the government building communities for these people and these new communities being trashed. I see natives being handed jobs just because the company chose to build on native land. I see them paying no taxes and still having all the same services that I pay for. I see my native friends not wanting status cards because they're ashamed of getting hand outs.
I get that they got a raw deal, but they got hit hard by small pox and we got hit hard by the black death. Just because we thrived and they didn't shouldn't mean we have to support them forever.
amigocabal wrote:The First Nations were pre-existing nations in Canada, and the Parliament made treaties with them.
The Scots were no more a pre-existing nation in Canada than the Ashanti or the Hmong. That kinda makes a difference.
People are people, if some people that have suffered and are getting extra for it all people who has suffered should be paid. Except that would be stupid so nobody should get special status or handouts. People are people and should be treated as such. People with issues should be helped with resources made available to all, not to just some. If one pays taxes all, so long as they earn enough to do so, should pay taxes.
Jub wrote:Poor natives asking for money from people who don't even have ancestors that did anything to them. I'm such a bad guys for being born White that some of my money goes to paying for something nobody from my family did, all because, you know, all white people are the same evil group that hates minorities. Cry me a river.
If the British were to pay reparations to Ireland, some of that reparation money would come from Jamaican immigrants.
How the fuck is that different?
It isn't and nobody should be pair reparations for things generations past did. If you're going to pay for hardship pay for current hardship. If you want to fix the issues then deal with the cause and not just treating the symptoms.
SilverWingedSeraph wrote:Honest question, who's surprised that the guy who advocated invading Middle Eastern countries to "put down" radical Islamists has turned out to be a huge racist? Show of hands?
Racist? How am I racist for saying that all people should be treated equally because at some point the people in our family tree were treated like crap. I'm saying we should treat them like the citizens of the countries they live in and set about fixing their social issues the right way. The current system isn't just stupid and unfair, it also does a shitty job at fixing the issues.