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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Sky Captain » 2012-09-24 01:53pm

Since several of my friends have broken screens of their iphones from minor drops I have no plans to buy such expensive and fragile device. In my hands it would not last very long given that I recently managed to accidently crack screen of my Samsung B2100 thats supposed to be nearly indestructible.

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Borgholio » 2012-09-24 01:57pm

Phantasee wrote: I've been texting a dozen girls trying to get a date for tomorrow night.


Did iOS 6 help them say yes too?
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Stark » 2012-09-24 06:41pm

All the corners of my phone are burred and scratched from dropping and the screen is fine. What is 'probability'? :v

Like phant, bizarrely the iOS6 update makes my old GS perform much better than 5.

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Dalton » 2012-09-24 07:26pm

Stark wrote:All the corners of my phone are burred and scratched from dropping and the screen is fine. What is 'probability'? :v

Like phant, bizarrely the iOS6 update makes my old GS perform much better than 5.

Thirding that, if I haven't already. A noticeable increase of responsiveness overall.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby chitoryu12 » 2012-09-24 09:53pm

The script supervisor for the show I'm working on upgraded to the iOS 6, and all of his 3000+ photos (almost all backups of the continuity pictures of the set and costumes) suddenly disappeared. They reappeared shortly after, but it was still a bad scare.

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Stark » 2012-09-24 10:11pm

Apparently people are seeing wierd behaviour around photos and ringtones etc. My devices are all fine, but there way be teething problems.

I just don't care because I can finally hide all the browser UI on my phone. :V

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Phantasee » 2012-09-24 10:17pm

Sky Captain wrote:Since several of my friends have broken screens of their iphones from minor drops I have no plans to buy such expensive and fragile device. In my hands it would not last very long given that I recently managed to accidently crack screen of my Samsung B2100 thats supposed to be nearly indestructible.

The iPhone 5 has an aluminum back, and the front screen seems to be fit much better than the 4 and 4S glass fronts and backs.

I've dropped my 3GS a couple dozen times, and once managed to chip the edges of the glass on gravel, but no shattering. I think it was a better design, and I think Apple learned their lesson from the 4 in designing the 5.

There's a drop test video out there that shows a 5 beating an SIII, but I haven't seen it myself.

There's also the anecdotal evidence of my father to consider: he has demolished several phones, running them over, losing them under the lawn while laying sod, dropping them all the time. We got him a 4 in an Otterbox, and the phone has nary a mark on it. If its a serious problem for you, there are solutions.

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Phantasee wrote: I've been texting a dozen girls trying to get a date for tomorrow night.


Did iOS 6 help them say yes too?

I'm going to say yes.

Stark wrote:The screen is a pretty normal size; is it just the apple ears that make it long? Or is this just an assumed problem?


It's taller than the previous models. I had a chance to handle one today, and it seems acceptable to me. The entire screen is still within my thumb's range of motion (not that this was an issue), and it's not too tall to be weird. I think they did it just right: make the phone taller, not wider. That's the problem with cafeteria tray sized Androids. Too damn wide for one hand or my pocket.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Phantasee » 2012-09-24 10:23pm

One note, on battery life: previously, my 3GS died anywhere between 5% and 12% battery, particularly if I received a call, text, or the GPS chip turned on. Over the weekend I saw it die initially at 15% to 17%, though it made it as low as 7% today before I got to a charger. So I'm not certain if I lost about 10% of reported battery life, and I didn't note actual usage.

The 17% -> dead was in a poor reception environment; the stadium has terrible connectivity during football games, even with 3 bars. I think that might have been a factor. Later on we couldn't connect to Facebook or Twitter on a friend's 4S on the same network as me, despite 3-4 bars.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Phantasee » 2012-09-24 10:31pm

I already know those phones are too big, but I hadn't found the upper bound of acceptability for myself.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Sky Captain » 2012-09-25 06:15am

Phantasee wrote:The iPhone 5 has an aluminum back, and the front screen seems to be fit much better than the 4 and 4S glass fronts and backs.

I've dropped my 3GS a couple dozen times, and once managed to chip the edges of the glass on gravel, but no shattering. I think it was a better design, and I think Apple learned their lesson from the 4 in designing the 5.

There's a drop test video out there that shows a 5 beating an SIII, but I haven't seen it myself.

There's also the anecdotal evidence of my father to consider: he has demolished several phones, running them over, losing them under the lawn while laying sod, dropping them all the time. We got him a 4 in an Otterbox, and the phone has nary a mark on it. If its a serious problem for you, there are solutions.


Water is another enemy. Even just this summer alone my phone accidently got into water, mud and sand multiple times. Luckily my B2100 can take it. I can't even count how many times I have dropped it hard. On one occasion it fell from a scaffolding at construction site from a third floor level and crashed on concrete floor hovever no major damage only few minor scratces. This summer I broke the screen, it happened at metal music festival when I tripped in moshpit, fell backwards with my phone in back pocket and three other guys also tripped and landed on me. Ground was asphalt end there were some gravel on it. Apearently a few hundred kg of pressure was enough to crack the screen hovever I got it cheaply replaced. A smartphone in such an accident likely would be wrecked beyond repair.
When there will be a smartphone awailable that offers similar or better abuse resistance then I probably will consider an upgrade.

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Dalton » 2012-09-25 12:52pm

Just picked up my 5 and already irritated, but only because the AT&T rep did the setup for me instead of letting me do it myself. Had to reset the phone to get my iCloud restore going.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby phongn » 2012-09-25 01:34pm

Executor32 wrote:CDMA data during a call still isn't possible on any Verizon phone that I know of. LTE data, on the other hand, works just fine during calls, though you obviously have to have LTE coverage at your location. I have direct experience with it on my Galaxy Nexus, but as far as I know every 4G LTE Android phone on Verizon can do it, too. It may be because they all use separate radio chipsets for CDMA and LTE, but I'm not sure.

You need three antennas to do it right now on a CDMA+LTE network, and the iPhone 5 only has two. See AnandTech.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Executor32 » 2012-09-25 04:04pm

Dalton wrote:Just picked up my 5 and already irritated, but only because the AT&T rep did the setup for me instead of letting me do it myself. Had to reset the phone to get my iCloud restore going.

That's why when I got my GNex, I made it abundantly clear that I would do all the setup myself. The Verizon rep was shocked when I just up and factory reset my old phone while waiting for her to unbox the GNex, she'd assumed I'd want her to manually transfer my contacts to it from my Droid 2 using their computer. She had no fucking clue that Google contacts are stored in the cloud and synced with any Android device I sign in on, reinforcing my opinion that most Verizon reps only learn whatever marketing blips they've been told by Verizon about any particular phone/OS, and don't bother to learn a damn thing more.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Stark » 2012-09-25 05:30pm

Sky Captain wrote:Water is another enemy. Even just this summer alone my phone accidently got into water, mud and sand multiple times. Luckily my B2100 can take it. I can't even count how many times I have dropped it hard. On one occasion it fell from a scaffolding at construction site from a third floor level and crashed on concrete floor hovever no major damage only few minor scratces. This summer I broke the screen, it happened at metal music festival when I tripped in moshpit, fell backwards with my phone in back pocket and three other guys also tripped and landed on me. Ground was asphalt end there were some gravel on it. Apearently a few hundred kg of pressure was enough to crack the screen hovever I got it cheaply replaced. A smartphone in such an accident likely would be wrecked beyond repair.
When there will be a smartphone awailable that offers similar or better abuse resistance then I probably will consider an upgrade.


Water and blunt trauma are entirely different threats to appliances, and they're not comparable. A well-sealed phone (with no headphone jack because it's some paleolithic thing) can still be totally destroyed by a short drop, which is what everyone is talking about.

But say 'smartphone' more. I'll wait before describing all the amusing trauma my phone has survived, despite not being made of bronze like yours. :lol:

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Phantasee » 2012-09-25 07:05pm

My dad had a similar phone as that Samsung Sky Captain is talking about, though a flip phone. They're pretty heavy duty, but lacking in features. Some people need that more than mobile data, which is fine.

It took my dad two tries to kill that phone. Both times he ran it over with a truck and trailer (accidentally). First time only killed the outside display, second time killed the whole thing. I don't know if the Otterbox he has on his 4S can handle even one pass.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Stark » 2012-09-25 07:45pm

I've taken iphones apart that work spread out over a table and seen plenty of drug addicts with the case folded or screen missing huge bits. It just depends what's damaged, and stonephones just have less that can go wrong.

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Darth Nostril » 2012-09-25 08:55pm

Not seeing much of an improvement with iOS6 on my 4s but then I wasn't really expecting that much of one.
Although Phant is right for once, the iOS6 maps app is crap.
Maybe getting a 5 in the near future, planning on moving soon which will entail getting a new job, and seeing as the 4s is work issue I won't be keeping it.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby chitoryu12 » 2012-09-25 09:15pm

Exactly what's wrong with Maps? I have a Maps app that came with my iPhone 4, which I mostly use for checking satellite imagery as opposed to following directions. Never had a problem with it, though.

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby phongn » 2012-09-25 09:18pm

chitoryu12 wrote:Exactly what's wrong with Maps? I have a Maps app that came with my iPhone 4, which I mostly use for checking satellite imagery as opposed to following directions. Never had a problem with it, though.

iOS 6 Maps uses Apple's own custom data while iOS 5 and earlier use Google's. In many places the mapping and point-of-interest data is inferior or entirely lacking. Transit routing is gone, too.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby aerius » 2012-09-25 09:40pm

Let's just say they fucked up the maps a bit and leave it at that.
It's at the point where there are now several sites dedicated to showing the best, or should I say the worst of the iOS 6 mapping goofs.
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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Mr Bean » 2012-09-25 11:24pm

To further note as was pointed out by one tech writer ... *Edit and I found it, it was business insider
July story
Business Insider wrote:This Fall, Apple will remove the default Google Maps app from its iPhone and iPad operating system, iOS, and replace it with its own in-house designed app.

Apple is going to make its own maps using data from third-parties like TomTom.

After speaking with a pair of Googlers about this, we wonder if Apple may have bitten off more than it can chew.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/to-do-wh ... z27XgRpsoI

One big reason: Google has 1,100 full time employees and 6,000 contractors working on its mapping products. Those 7,000 people do all sorts of granular work.

One source reminds us Google has "street view drivers, people flying planes, people drawing maps, people correcting listings, and people building new products."

Excluding its retail army, Apple only has 13,000 employees in total.

Is it really ready to increase that number by 53%?

There is another story out there about the fact that Apple has heard the feedback and is looking to hire... twenty new guys to match Google Maps.
So 100 employes of which per Ars Techinca only 40 of which are full time map guys (Most are general OS guys) and they are looking to hire twenty more VS a literal thousand plus people with tons of contractors out there gathering data every day.

Meaning we can expect a quality product form Apple based on man hours if one of their employees can do the work of a tenth the time as a Google Employee in.... five years.

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Stark » 2012-09-25 11:28pm

There's no direct relationship between employee numbers and quality. Making Maps actually fucking work doesn't require 5000 guys and if they get 95% quality with a smart team, who cares?

Aside from bein broken and not working, Maps is a big improvement in my area over the never-updated google version we've been stuck with.

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Re: Lets talk about the Iphone 5

Postby Irbis » 2012-09-26 08:03am

Stark wrote:Water and blunt trauma are entirely different threats to appliances, and they're not comparable. A well-sealed phone (with no headphone jack because it's some paleolithic thing) can still be totally destroyed by a short drop, which is what everyone is talking about.

Yeah, who cares about music, audiobooks, or just listening to anything interesting you might have recorded, Apple Way is Best Way.

Though, I can't help but remember the very same tune from Apple fanboys before, such as one USB port, dropping FireWire, and a lot of other stuff that were selling points until now always suddenly become palaeolithic to fanboys as soon as Big Appl dropped them :lol:

Stark wrote:There's no direct relationship between employee numbers and quality. Making Maps actually fucking work doesn't require 5000 guys and if they get 95% quality with a smart team, who cares?

It's like saying tri-wheel bike offers the same quality as car. Oh, well, if you only need to cover 50 metre distance, maybe it does. But, Google needs 1000 employees to cover whole world (slowly). Apple at best with 50 can cover big US cities to same quality, equivalent of 50 meter distance, but hey, it's not like they have a lot of buyers outside of metropolises anyway.


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