The End of the Nostalgia Critic...and he's BACK

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bilateralrope wrote:Did he make any statement in response to people complaining about him covering a movie they couldn't legally have watched yet ?
I don't think so. Maybe? I watched only two more episodes after the first (and by watched I mean skimmed for the rare good parts). The third ep started doing this weird meta show within a show commenting on the real production thing where the characters of Demo Reel bring up the real life complaints as complaints about their show within a show, and I might have missed them mention that. The more important issue they attempted to address was the fact they were mocking movies rather than bettering them (the rest of the episode was a sendoff to "Lost In Translation" and it worked okay... because they did it at an anime convention rather than the studio :lol: ). But if they continued that trend in the next couple videos, I didn't see it. And he may have issued statements through Facebook, and I have no desire to become a facebook zombie so I didn't see any of that either. But as for their forum, probably not. Doug never enters the forum, but Rob Walker is a site admin. It impressed the hell out of everyone when he weighed in early on, because of how rare it is for him to post. I doubt it happened twice (but those threads were giant repetitive clusterfucks, so I stopped wasting precious brainpower reading them). Mostly it seems that Linkara was put in charge of moderating the DR forum, and man did it need it.
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I just watched it all the way through, and liked it.
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I honestly could not watch Demo Reel or his return video. They were so fucking bad.

Here's the thing:Production on TGWTG shows are shit. But when it's just a man in a chair slamming a movie it can work, mostly because half of the video is the movie being reviewed with a voice over. All the time I was watching Demo Reel and the new video I couldn't get over how cheap it was. It just irked me. And everything was so fucking looooooong. Jesus Christ dude, you're not fucking Christopher Nolan. You don't need to come up with some complex,roundabout way of saying you fucked up. You fucked up, come back, don't make a fucking storyline about it. No one gives a shit. We come to watch movie reviews, not watch you indulge your ego.
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I feel kinda sorry for Doug Walker. It's obvious Demo Reel was his "passion project", and it was getting better, albeit slowly, but it looks like it failed too hard right off the bat to ever pick up steam again.
Here's the thing:Production on TGWTG shows are shit. But when it's just a man in a chair slamming a movie it can work, mostly because half of the video is the movie being reviewed with a voice over. All the time I was watching Demo Reel and the new video I couldn't get over how cheap it was. It just irked me. And everything was so fucking looooooong. Jesus Christ dude, you're not fucking Christopher Nolan. You don't need to come up with some complex,roundabout way of saying you fucked up. You fucked up, come back, don't make a fucking storyline about it. No one gives a shit. We come to watch movie reviews, not watch you indulge your ego.
OK wow. Overreaction much?

Here's the thing: you are watching web series done mostly by amateurs on the internet with only slightly higher production values than most. Complaining about "cheapness" is kinda like complaining that a hersheys king-size bar doesn't taste as good as godiva, therefore you should only get the regular size hersheys.

I actually really liked his return video. If Demo Reel had consistently been that good, I may have enjoyed it. He clearly wanted to try his hand at drama/comedy, and he was already foot-deep in the ongoing storylines he's been writing, so given the budget afforded, this turned out as good as it could possibly have been, plus allows for more character development for the critic himself.

I have no idea why you explicitly chose to compare him to Nolan, as if only pros should ever attempt to come up with something complex, or have an ego. If you want to talk about ego, Chris Nolan's is probably through the roof, as films like Inception and DKR are both very self-indulgent works. And saying no one gives a shit boarders a bit on the "stop having fun guys!" side of annoying. Fuck it, it clearly makes him happy, makes the more intelligent parts of his fanbase happy, and is actually rather competent for a guy whose primary talent is yelling at a camera for 20 minutes.

He's always at his best when he fuses satirical comedy with lighthearted drama and occasional character development, I see no reason for him to stop.
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I compared him to Nolan because he was the first director with 2+ hour movies that came to mind.

I stand by what I said, every show on that site can be good when they stick to a format that doesn't make their limitations obvious, or more accurately, a problem. When they move out of it the issues become pretty apparent. The new stuff was long,boring and without any hook to grab me and keep me watching.

Also, I smirked at your "it makes the more intelligent members of his fanbase happy". Just lol. You accuse me of making dumb internet arguments (which is a fair point, though I was exaggerating for my own sake) then flip to the other side with "It's for the smart people"
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Also, I smirked at your "it makes the more intelligent members of his fanbase happy". Just lol. You accuse me of making dumb internet arguments (which is a fair point, though I was exaggerating for my own sake) then flip to the other side with "It's for the smart people"
Dude, I said more "intelligent of his fanbase" for a reason. I'm comparing them to the intelligence levels of the rest of their fanbase, not to anyone else. The ones that can form cohesive paragraphs and didn't shit themselves when an obviously failed attempt at a show got cancelled; the ones who weren't bitching and moaning when NC first ended then bitched more when it came back. No one can please everyone, and while you should never shut out your own fanbase completely, you do have to discern which of them are worth listening to, and the ones worth listening to clearly enjoyed it.

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According to the start of this video by Rachel Tietz (who played the actress on Demo Reel) it looks like both her and the writer fellow will be a part of the new Nostalgia Critic episodes. Good on Doug for keeping them around. I figured he would but it's nice to know.

It's also an interesting note because if he's going to have regular "co-stars" or whatever role they're playing, it's not just going to be a return to the "angry reviewer in front of a camera" style; he's changing up the format, at least somewhat. So I'm interested to see how this plays out.

On another note, I loved the anniversary movies and enjoyed the concept of the Critic as the sort of "leader" of all these Internet Reviewers. And while they've said they're (probably?) not doing the 'Big Specials' anymore I'd still love to see some form of Internet Reviewer Adventure Movies, even if they're on a smaller scale than "everyone who has the time and/or we could afford to fly in to Chicago".
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Frankly, I initially hated Demo Reel, but it was growing on me, as I thought it was getting better. Though, I'll be glad to have Nostalgia Critic back.
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NC - The Odd Life of Timothy Green

So, it's his first episode back. And...I actually really liked it. He has an intro now, which is different. I like how he uses that nifty "The Review Must Go On" remix as the tune, it fits with the general context of Nostalgia Critic 2.0 and is pretty catchy. I'm not sure the scenes flashing by work too well with the pacing of the song, though; some scenes are really fitting with the tone of the music and others aren't. Ah well.

On the to the review itself, it was pretty good. He's not as SCREAMING RAEG as he seemed to be at the end there, which I think is to the better. And I like how he incorporates the Demo Reel stars into his skits, as it lets them do more things than were possible with just him and Rob. I also enjoyed his fake commercial a lot, hope those continue, as it makes the mid-episode ads a bit nicer to watch.

Overall I'd say this is a pretty good start, and I'd say the extra editing time he allowed for himself shows. We'll see if he continues on in another couple of week, I guess.

(also getting the obligatory "lol 2012 isn't nostalgic trololo" out of the way now)
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I know that this comes off as complaining about any change just because it's a change, but I didn't like the intro. As an 'I'm back' special it's OK, but I don't like regular intros. Just diving straight into the review says to me that all the show needs to be about is, well, what its about - the review. With rare exception I always skip over intros because they waste time and megabytes.
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So, he's done more of an analytical look at Twilight and then at Romeo and Juliet. With this week being a return to form with Son of the Mask. I don't mind this style, actually. Analytical looks at movie series or stories, with a traditional format of reviewing a movie every once in a while.
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He'd been alternating between the uber-long reviews and brief five minute 'editorials'. Which is nice.

The editorials are less nostalgia critic and more Doug Walker talking about stuff. I actually like Doug Walker talking about stuff though.
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Hm. I watched his reviews and while I sometimes skip over the new story sections they're not necessarily bad. They make the reviews longer but what the hell, I have time to waste. That bit about Michael Bay shooting everything like porn was pretty funny.His editorials on Romeo and Juliet and Twilight were interesting and a change of pace from the usual strident NC.

So something good has come out of this whole thing.
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Okay guys, it has been a couple of months since he backpedalled of being tired of the Nostalgia Critic. So, what are your opinions of the comeback?


For me, Doug seems really bitter Demo Reel tanked. Specially his new Looney Toons review.

And the sketches. For me, they have the same problems as demo reel - they take way too long for little to no funny.
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Yeah, some of the sketches are hit (I liked the Satan thing with Son Of The Mask), but others are just... yeah. A bit far, kinda like Spoony's last FFXIII episode with Dr. Insano's souping up of a gunblade.
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What are you talking about? Doug Walker's sketches have always gone on too long. :lol:

But its not just about sheer length. Its a matter of whether or not the joke can sustain itself for that long as opposed to forcing it to do so. The Critic trying to impersonate Judge Dread for ten minutes feels forced because the impersonation is a flat caricature with no variation in delivery which interrupts the far funnier scenes going on in orbit. The Demo Reel skit where they are trying to decide on a theme and outfit for Bruce Wayne goes on too long because long after the joke should finish, Walker's character goes back to square one without warning like a goddamn cocktease.

In comparison, Insano trying to upgrade a gunblade (and then other things) with random unidentified substances goes on and on for several minutes, but its got a solid connection to the review and the absurdity of FFXIII's game mechanics, it progresses like a short video in its own right, and the delivery feels like it was partially improvised as the circumstances unfolded (in fact, it was-- Noah accidentally got some of the goo in his nose and just ran with it as best he could).

Note: I haven't seen any of the neo-Critic eps, so I can't comment on that. But what's this I hear? Parody is dead? Certainly if Doug's writing is anything to go by. :P
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Formless wrote:What are you talking about? Doug Walker's sketches have always gone on too long. :lol:
As I have pointed out before.
Note: I haven't seen any of the neo-Critic eps, so I can't comment on that. But what's this I hear? Parody is dead? Certainly if Doug's
writing is anything to go by. :P
He added the guys from Demo Reel. So now they interrupt the review for unfunny sketches that go on too long. His latest editorial is retarded "Why is Loki (Tom Hiddleston) so hot?".

Yet, I can't stop hate-watching.
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Spekio wrote:He added the guys from Demo Reel. So now they interrupt the review for unfunny sketches that go on too long. His latest editorial is retarded "Why is Loki (Tom Hiddleston) so hot?".

Yet, I can't stop hate-watching.
That one I've actually skipped because I have no desire to watch as someone ponders about the supposed hotness of a character/actor. Usually I find the editorials rather nice, since Walker won't go all batshit insane in those, which is a nice change of pace. Maybe he finally figured out that if all you do is shout and scream, you don't have anything to contrast it with.

All in all, the new episodes are rather nice-ish, although I have to agree with the sentiment that the sketches tend to go too long. However, I found Michael Bay sketch hilarious and I don't even have any strong opinion on the man.
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As always I've found Doug/NC to be hit or miss. I enjoyed the skit in Son of the Mask even though it took things awhile to get going...but I thought all that setup for the "well if it's in a trashcan" joke was pretty funny. On the other hand I thought the Cat in the Hat review was boring as shit, in fact I thought the review by smeghead (a newer, more small-time guy on youtube/blip) was way better. The gag about the wall got a chuckle out of me, and I thought the Catwoman review was more hit than miss.

So...he's about the same for me, I think. I agree with Formless in that some of NC's jokes would be way funnier if he cut them down more. I've rather faded a bit on TGWTGs stuff in general. I like Todd in the Shadows, I watch Linkara when he does something interesting, I watch NC, that's about it. I kind of wish Linkara would shift more to his HOPR videos since those seem to garner more attention that most of his routine comics stuff, and being an ex-rangers fan I like his HOPR stuff. The other reviewers, mostly I can't really be arsed to care.
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