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SirNitram wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:

SirNitram wrote:If the wiring in here could take the strain, I'd spring for one of those combination microwave-convection ovens. Sadly, it can't, so I don't.

Mine doesn't require any special wiring. A standard 120V 15A line is good enough.

No, no. It's not some requirement of special wiring. It's that the wiring and fuses in this apartment building are pathetic. We have to carefully arrange the electrical heaters in the house during winter because they blow fuses regularly otherwise.

I sympathize because I do the same thing in my apartment in both summer and winter.
If I run the microwave while one window A/C or heater is on, I trip a breaker and if I run the coffeemaker while the other heater or A/C unit is on, it trips the other breaker.

I *could* fix it myself by running a line from the service panel, but I'm not willing to spend the money and several hours of my time to improve someone else's property.

His Divine Shadow wrote:-Is a waterheater an electricity guzzler? Everyone has them nowadays, you just fill the pot and flip a switch, it works through resistance heating, thats pretty energy intensive right? Would it be better to heat your tea-water in the microwave per cup maybe?

Um, no. I'm not sure how you think you'd beat the 100% efficiency of a resistive heater. It's not like microwaves are magic or something. They're simply a means of moving energy.

Faram wrote:Okay, I just threw away my fully functional Microwave oven, because I newer used it and it was taking space in my kitchen.

I just wanted to ask you a question about this.

You threw out a fully-functional kitchen appliance. Chucked it in the garbage, rather than sell it or donate it to charity or something like that. I think that's pretty wasteful. You could have at least taken out the magnetron and recreated a Mythbusters myth

Dalton wrote:You threw out a fully-functional kitchen appliance. Chucked it in the garbage, rather than sell it or donate it to charity or something like that. I think that's pretty wasteful. You could have at least taken out the magnetron and recreated a Mythbusters myth

Yeah, I'd at least do something cool like microwaving aluminum foil to try and make it blow up. And if it doesn't blow up, then keep microwaving other things which you're not supposed to microwave until it fails in a spectacular fashion. Of course you probably don't want to do this in your own apartment unit in case it does blow up.

A full-size house waterheater is a waste of energy, however. There are geothermal alternatives these days which also massively lower the produced energy costs of heating and cooling your whole house.

Faram wrote:

deflect criticism by defensively lashing out at ... you guessed it ... the fact that people drive cars.

First of I did not bring up a car into this you did.

So now you resort to the dishonest tactic of pretending that my SUV analogy was actually an attempt to introduce cars into this debate? What the fuck are you, a liar or an idiot? Do you know what an analogy is? Do you know what it's for? Do you know how analogies work, moron?

So you are saing that walking or whatever to a store but not using petrol and geting a taxi back is less energy efficient than geting a car to and back from the store? Perhaps in one single case but if 10 people walked to the store and got a cab back there would be energy savings.

Based on what? Your whiny ass? Taxis spend all their time cruising and idling, you fucking moron. They also tend to have V6 or V8 engines because they need to be roomy enough to accomodate a large group and their luggage. The idea that people can somehow be energy-efficient by using taxis (especially to go to a fucking private school, which means you have to use them every goddamned day) is the dumbest fucking idea that I've heard all week, and I saw Tony Snow performing his act.

If a big energygussling truck bringin 200kg of water would not be a vaste if it was filled with stuff to other people doing the same thing.

Obviously, the whole point about distance completely escaped your infantile mind. You just love to assume that everything is close together, don't you?

And me living in a high city with good public transport, true. But if you wish you could move to a location where everything is withing easy reach.

Oh right, so your solution is for everyone in North America to move to Europe, where the cities are small and close together. Yet another brilliant and eminently practical idea from Faram. Where do you get this kind of genius? Did it come naturally to you, or have you been studying?

Also regarding to carpooling kids to shool, how am I supposed to know about your needs? In most caes that would be true.

I already pointed out to you that I'm using a special-needs private school, you fucking retard. It's not my fault if you're too stupid to understand what that means.

The point remains: you are being deliberately wasteful, and you don't need to be. Your attempt to refute this criticism by attacking the source with ignorant bullshit and idiotic claims about taxis somehow saving the world's gas supply is nothing more than a red-herring. I pointed out right at the beginning that you are confusing a subjective desire with a practical necessity, and you have completely ignored this point throughout your entire stream of bullshit.

I don't really think I could tell the difference between something cooked in an oven vs the same thing cooked in a microwave. I don't know... maybe I could if I tried really hard, but it's definitely not enough for me to declare that I'm now against using it as a form of cooking.

What's the big deal about it anyway? This reminds of Chris Rock's bit when he asks how many of the starving kids in Africa would pass up a glass of milk due to lactose intolerance...

It's a matter of what you cook.
For example, try cooking or reheating a pizza in a microwave.
The microwaved pizza* comes out soggy and sagging, whereas the oven heated one is crisp.
On the other hand, microwaves are great for other frozen foods, potatoes, and for popping corn.




*Some frozen pizzas come with grids that'll hold the heat and do a passable job of crisping the crust, but it's not the same as using an oven.

Glocksman wrote:It's a matter of what you cook.
For example, try cooking or reheating a pizza in a microwave.
The microwaved pizza* comes out soggy and sagging, whereas the oven heated one is crisp.
On the other hand, microwaves are great for other frozen foods, potatoes, and for popping corn.

My convection oven heats and browns food, and much faster than a conventional oven while using less power.

Darth Wong wrote:

Glocksman wrote:It's a matter of what you cook.
For example, try cooking or reheating a pizza in a microwave.
The microwaved pizza* comes out soggy and sagging, whereas the oven heated one is crisp.
On the other hand, microwaves are great for other frozen foods, potatoes, and for popping corn.

My convection oven heats and browns food, and much faster than a conventional oven while using less power.

Convection microwaves are the best of both worlds.
But they aren't cheap. Yet.
Eventually I plan on getting one, but that's in the future.

Superman wrote:I don't really think I could tell the difference between something cooked in an oven vs the same thing cooked in a microwave. I don't know... maybe I could if I tried really hard, but it's definitely not enough for me to declare that I'm now against using it as a form of cooking.

What's the big deal about it anyway? This reminds of Chris Rock's bit when he asks how many of the starving kids in Africa would pass up a glass of milk due to lactose intolerance...

Well, microwaves don't really leave food quite as crisp as they would in an oven or a stove. In some cases they don't really come out quite right, or would be completely impractical. (Though the foods that wouldn't should be cooked on rare occasions anyway most of the time, like turkey, or cakes).

General Zod wrote:

Superman wrote:I don't really think I could tell the difference between something cooked in an oven vs the same thing cooked in a microwave. I don't know... maybe I could if I tried really hard, but it's definitely not enough for me to declare that I'm now against using it as a form of cooking.

What's the big deal about it anyway? This reminds of Chris Rock's bit when he asks how many of the starving kids in Africa would pass up a glass of milk due to lactose intolerance...

Well, microwaves don't really leave food quite as crisp as they would in an oven or a stove. In some cases they don't really come out quite right, or would be completely impractical. (Though the foods that wouldn't should be cooked on rare occasions anyway most of the time, like turkey, or cakes).

Yeah, that's true. I guess things like that don't deter me whatsoever from eating. Everyone's different, I guess...

Glocksman wrote:It's a matter of what you cook.
For example, try cooking or reheating a pizza in a microwave.
The microwaved pizza* comes out soggy and sagging, whereas the oven heated one is crisp.
On the other hand, microwaves are great for other frozen foods, potatoes, and for popping corn.

*Some frozen pizzas come with grids that'll hold the heat and do a passable job of crisping the crust, but it's not the same as using an oven.

That's assuming, of course, that the item to be cooked will even physically fit within a microwave.

What I've found works really well is to reheat something in the microwave, then crisp it in the toaster oven. Works really well with frozen rolls.

Howedar wrote:

His Divine Shadow wrote:-Is a waterheater an electricity guzzler? Everyone has them nowadays, you just fill the pot and flip a switch, it works through resistance heating, thats pretty energy intensive right? Would it be better to heat your tea-water in the microwave per cup maybe?

Um, no. I'm not sure how you think you'd beat the 100% efficiency of a resistive heater. It's not like microwaves are magic or something. They're simply a means of moving energy.

A resistance heater is 100% efficient? At heating water? Guh?

His Divine Shadow wrote:

Howedar wrote:

His Divine Shadow wrote:-Is a waterheater an electricity guzzler? Everyone has them nowadays, you just fill the pot and flip a switch, it works through resistance heating, thats pretty energy intensive right? Would it be better to heat your tea-water in the microwave per cup maybe?

Um, no. I'm not sure how you think you'd beat the 100% efficiency of a resistive heater. It's not like microwaves are magic or something. They're simply a means of moving energy.

A resistance heater is 100% efficient? At heating water? Guh?

Inefficiency is dumped into the environment as waste heat. In the case of a resistance heater immersed in water, this means that 100% of the energy drawn by the device will be dumped into the water.

Mind you, this assumes that the entire device is submerged in water. Any portion of the device which is outside the water would still dump its waste heat into the environment rather than the water.

I find the microwave pizza's have a insert in the box for browning the pizza, makes it quite yummy

I use it when I'm lazy, mostly for soups. However, I'll almost always make hot chocolate in it, since I can't get quite the same 'molten cocoa' on the top via traditional means.