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EnterpriseSovereign wrote: ↑2023-09-15 10:52pm TIL the significance of this flag and how pro-Russians are using its appearance by Ukrainian war graves to supposedly prove that the Ukrainians are Nazis. I also learned how many new ways I can use to point out someone's blatant straw manning and still not run out It's fun smacking around pro-Russians on Facebook

TIL about a flag for Ukraine that's been around since 1941 and is very much anti-Russian and anti-Fas.

Now, I'd like to hear how you're smacking around Pro-Russian idjits

LadyTevar wrote: ↑2023-09-16 06:13am

EnterpriseSovereign wrote: ↑2023-09-15 10:52pm TIL the significance of this flag and how pro-Russians are using its appearance by Ukrainian war graves to supposedly prove that the Ukrainians are Nazis. I also learned how many new ways I can use to point out someone's blatant straw manning and still not run out It's fun smacking around pro-Russians on Facebook

TIL about a flag for Ukraine that's been around since 1941 and is very much anti-Russian and anti-Fas.

Now, I'd like to hear how you're smacking around Pro-Russian idjits

His latest comment said "are these Ukrainian independence fighters?" while linking to this random Twitter post . I asked him if they were even Ukrainian since I see no evidence that they are Then I asked him how much all that baling twine set him back

GHETTO EDIT: Looks like he's deleted his comments. I was about to point out that aside from the fuzzy blue and yellow object that may or may not be a Ukrainian flag, two of the people in that image are kids so they wouldn't fighters of any kind. Except in Russia anyway.

EDIT 2: He must have blocked then unblocked me because his moronic comments have reappeared

Fuck it, I'll just mock his love of Putin

LadyTevar wrote: ↑2023-09-15 11:03amSo.. why you call it "Bunny Boiler" I'm not sure, unless they are harming poor defensive rabbits as part of their psychosis.

It's a reference to the actions of Glenn Close's character in the film Fatal Attraction: Among other psycho jilted lover behavior, she infamously breaks into her married ex-fling's home and boils his daughter's pet rabbit because... reasons.

Raw Shark wrote: ↑2023-09-17 02:27am

LadyTevar wrote: ↑2023-09-15 11:03amSo.. why you call it "Bunny Boiler" I'm not sure, unless they are harming poor defensive rabbits as part of their psychosis.

It's a reference to the actions of Glenn Close's character in the film Fatal Attraction: Among other psycho jilted lover behavior, she infamously breaks into her married ex-fling's home and boils his daughter's pet rabbit because... reasons.

Ahhh
Never saw that movie.

LadyTevar wrote: ↑2023-09-17 04:45pm

Raw Shark wrote: ↑2023-09-17 02:27am

LadyTevar wrote: ↑2023-09-15 11:03amSo.. why you call it "Bunny Boiler" I'm not sure, unless they are harming poor defensive rabbits as part of their psychosis.

It's a reference to the actions of Glenn Close's character in the film Fatal Attraction: Among other psycho jilted lover behavior, she infamously breaks into her married ex-fling's home and boils his daughter's pet rabbit because... reasons.

Ahhh
Never saw that movie.

Neither have I but I know the reference

EnterpriseSovereign wrote: ↑2023-09-17 05:15pm

LadyTevar wrote: ↑2023-09-17 04:45pm

Raw Shark wrote: ↑2023-09-17 02:27am

It's a reference to the actions of Glenn Close's character in the film Fatal Attraction: Among other psycho jilted lover behavior, she infamously breaks into her married ex-fling's home and boils his daughter's pet rabbit because... reasons.

Ahhh
Never saw that movie.

Neither have I but I know the reference

Same.

TIL...they've actually managed to not only find the wreck of Akagi but also get ROV's deep enough (in the last week or so) to get video footage. She's 5.5 km beneath the surface, and parts of the flight deck still show battle damage.

EDIT: The video in that article mentions the wrecks of three carriers, but only names Akagi. Maybe they got Kaga and Soryu too.

Ghetto edit: The other two ships surveyed were Kaga and Yorktown. Yorktown still has visible hull markings.

Eternal_Freedom wrote: ↑2023-09-18 02:38pm Ghetto edit: The other two ships surveyed were Kaga and Yorktown. Yorktown still has visible hull markings.

TIL out of 5 Aircraft carriers sank at the Battle of Midway, only one was American.

LadyTevar wrote: ↑2023-09-18 07:03pm

Eternal_Freedom wrote: ↑2023-09-18 02:38pm Ghetto edit: The other two ships surveyed were Kaga and Yorktown. Yorktown still has visible hull markings.

TIL out of 5 Aircraft carriers sank at the Battle of Midway, only one was American.

It only gets worse for Japanese, the Yorktown class, USS Yorktown (CV-5) was sunk in June 7th 1942, by April 15th 1943 Americans had Essex class USS Yorktown (CV-10) commissioned.

The Japanese could never really replace the losses they got at Midway, where they pretty much lost most of their fleet carrier and the aircrews of said carriers. While the Japanese did either built or convert other ships into carriers they could never regain the ability they had prior to Midway and towards the end of the war some carriers were sitting idle because they got no aircrews to fight with.

Lord Revan wrote: ↑2023-09-18 10:21pm

LadyTevar wrote: ↑2023-09-18 07:03pm

Eternal_Freedom wrote: ↑2023-09-18 02:38pm Ghetto edit: The other two ships surveyed were Kaga and Yorktown. Yorktown still has visible hull markings.

TIL out of 5 Aircraft carriers sank at the Battle of Midway, only one was American.

It only gets worse for Japanese, the Yorktown class, USS Yorktown (CV-5) was sunk in June 7th 1942, by April 15th 1943 Americans had Essex class USS Yorktown (CV-10) commissioned.

The Japanese could never really replace the losses they got at Midway, where they pretty much lost most of their fleet carrier and the aircrews of said carriers. While the Japanese did either built or convert other ships into carriers they could never regain the ability they had prior to Midway and towards the end of the war some carriers were sitting idle because they got no aircrews to fight with.

As one of their generals said -- they woke the sleeping tiger.
The US had the men, material, and willpower to fight on two fronts. We had many strong allies in Europe, but from what little we were taught in the 80s about the Pacific Front, it was made to sound like the US did it all on its own. NOW I know the Austrailians were in on it, and the Chinese fighting on their own land, but I have no clue how much of the Pacific Front was US, and how much was Allied Aid.

Midway is a strange battle. It's touted as one of the most decisive ever (and it is), yet only 7 ships were lost - 4 Japanese carriers, 1 US carrier, 1 US destroyer (USS Hannan if memory serves) and 1 Japanese cruiser (Tone I think??)

It also could so easily have gone the other way. As one historian said in a Netflix series: "At 10:25 the Japanese were winning the war in the Pacific. At 10:30 they were losing." Five minutes. That's it.

With Midway what is important is the type of craft lost then the actual number, the Japanese lost pretty much their whole Fleet Carrier fleet and could never really replace those losses, US lost 1 aging Carrier and 1 Cruiser and those were quickly replaced. in Essence the Imperial Japanese Navy lost a good chunk of its primary fighting force and couldn't really replace it, USN on the other hand could fairly quickly replace the losses at Midway so their fighting ability didn't suffer that much and US could turn the momentum at the Pacific to their favor.

Lord Revan wrote: ↑2023-09-19 02:04pm With Midway what is important is the type of craft lost then the actual number, the Japanese lost pretty much their whole Fleet Carrier fleet and could never really replace those losses, US lost 1 aging Carrier and 1 Cruiser and those were quickly replaced. in Essence the Imperial Japanese Navy lost a good chunk of its primary fighting force and couldn't really replace it, USN on the other hand could fairly quickly replace the losses at Midway so their fighting ability didn't suffer that much and US could turn the momentum at the Pacific to their favor.

Oh I know, it's still just remarkable how quickly things turned around.

TIL the kid's movie "Paws of Fury - The Story of Hank" is a complete and total kid-friendly version of "Blazing Saddles". Mel Brooks even plays the clueless government official, again.

From the looks of the plot, they lifted entire scenes from Blazing Saddles and reset them into the new theme.

LadyTevar wrote: ↑2023-09-19 10:58amAs one of their generals said -- they woke the sleeping tiger.

Giant, actually. And it was an admiral

"I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
— Attributed to Naval Fleet Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

At least he expressed those sentiments, there's no reliable record of him actually saying it

Eternal_Freedom wrote: ↑2023-09-19 02:31pm

Lord Revan wrote: ↑2023-09-19 02:04pm With Midway what is important is the type of craft lost then the actual number, the Japanese lost pretty much their whole Fleet Carrier fleet and could never really replace those losses, US lost 1 aging Carrier and 1 Cruiser and those were quickly replaced. in Essence the Imperial Japanese Navy lost a good chunk of its primary fighting force and couldn't really replace it, USN on the other hand could fairly quickly replace the losses at Midway so their fighting ability didn't suffer that much and US could turn the momentum at the Pacific to their favor.

Oh I know, it's still just remarkable how quickly things turned around.

It's one of the examples why "Amateurs study strategy, professionals study logistics" saying exists, It starts seem far obvious when you study the overall logistical situation of both parties.

The Japanese Industry just wasn't up to demands the war put them and style Japanese trained their troops meant replacing them with similar quality troops became harder as war the became longer, as the veteran troops died at front and there wasn't time to train new recruits to the same standard (though they weren't the only ones, Germany suffered from these same issue just to a lesser extent), where as USA (IIRC) never really had to stretch its industrial might to fulfill the needs of the war and way US trained troops (by having veterans do training rotations back home instead of staying in frontline until they died) meant meant US could supply large numbers of "good enough" quality troops.

True. And even Yamamoto recognised that pre-war. What was his estimate? We have to win on the first day, or in six months they'll overwhelm us. Pretty accurate prediction really.

TIL stealth fighter jets are actually stealthy, and it takes a day to find one after it goes missing.

ALL small aircraft are stealthy once on the ground, because even if you know where they grounded they're ridiculously easy to HIDE.

Eternal_Freedom wrote: ↑2023-09-19 05:14pm True. And even Yamamoto recognised that pre-war. What was his estimate? We have to win on the first day, or in six months they'll overwhelm us. Pretty accurate prediction really.

I think part of this was that Yamamoto had actually lived in the US for a time (attending Harvard, working as a naval attache) and had a better grasp of both the US culture/mindset and US capabilities regarding resources and industry.

What they did with air aces highlights the contrast in training methods between the Allies and the Axis- Axis Air forces liked to keep their air aces in the field so they could rack up greater kill counts, Allied air forces would recall their aces home to use their experiences to train new pilots. So Axis combat experience would be concentrated on fewer individuals while Allied would be spread more evenly among many.