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Darth Fanboy wrote:I half expected that response from you Thanas, without you bothering to read any followup where Clark reiterated his comment*. Clark's statement is in effect to people only now coming out after the fact about these bounties, but nobody came forward during the whole thing to say "this is wrong." He was basically calling guys out for only doing the right thing when it became an issue of self preservation.

Thanas wrote:Yeah. Thanks for not paying him monster money, makes it easier for us with Rice.

And the saints SB should be voided.

Block wrote:

Thanas wrote:Yeah. Thanks for not paying him monster money, makes it easier for us with Rice.

And the saints SB should be voided.

Why exactly? Lots of teams have systems like this in place whether they admit it or not,

I know for a fact that the Ravens have something similar in place, not identical, but there's points awarded for knocking people out and various other things and the person with the most points at the end gets a trip and a trophy. The Broncos had this in place a while back too. The Redskins had an identical system to the Saints.

Block wrote:My brother, who works as a producer for Channel 4 in Baltimore and knows a number of the players personally.

Thanas wrote:

Block wrote:My brother, who works as a producer for Channel 4 in Baltimore and knows a number of the players personally.

Yeah, right.

You're sure you are talking about points being awarded for deliberate injuries? If so, go tell your brother to report it to the NFL immediately. That crap got no place in the NFL, no matter what team.

Block wrote:I didn't say deliberate injuries did I?

It's also something that's had a place in the NFL longer than I've been alive, so I don't know what game you watch. You think the Raiders under Madden weren't encouraged to play as dirty as possible?

Darth Fanboy wrote:The "unproven assertion"? As of right now, unless the NFL comes forward and tells us something, then it is pretty reasonable to believe nobody came forward while this was ongoing, and it certainly doesnt appear to have been a player or coach.

Havok wrote:It was a two year investigation. Someone came forward.

We got helmet stickers for leaving opposing players on the ground in high school. It was more intense the couple of years of college, just less advertised.

Havok wrote:It was a two year investigation. Someone came forward.

Havok wrote:It was a two year investigation. Someone came forward.

We got helmet stickers for leaving opposing players on the ground in high school. It was more intense the couple of years of college, just less advertised.

CarsonPalmer wrote:From the league's perspective, though, there are a number of reasons they have to come down hard-

1. Spygate. If the Saints get off with less punishment than the Pats, there'll be hell to pay from a PR standpoint.

2. In light of the concussions issue, they can't be seen to tolerate this.

3. Morality or place in the game of bounties for injuring players aside, its clearly a salary cap violation and they have to be punished on that basis alone.

4. It taints every clean hit that the Saints have ever made-got to the quarterback a split second after the ball was away? Was that a good clean play or an attempt to injure? This is going to be the league's biggest concern-if the word "bounty" is in the air, a lot of clean hits look shady, and the Commissioner's Office is sure as hell going to be concerned with the way things look look.

New Orleans Saints general manager Mickey Loomis failed to stop his team's "bounty" program after it was brought to his attention twice in the past two seasons.

Coach Sean Payton tried to deter an NFL investigation into the "bounty" scandal in 2010 by telling staffers to "get your ducks in a row," when notified league security was in New Orleans to interview team employees.

While former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is the central figure in the scandal -- 22 to 27 players also have been implicated -- the roles of Payton and Loomis were highlighted in a league summary that was obtained by NFL Network and NFL.com on Tuesday.

Loomis and Payton, who had been silent since the NFL's investigation surfaced Friday, said took full responsibility for the violations in a statement released Tuesday.
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The summary also found that in "early" 2010, when NFL security went to investigate Saints employees, Payton told his staff to, "get your ducks in a row." Payton is said to have been aware of the "bounty" program with an email from convicted felon and marketing agent Mike Ornstein confirming as much.

"Coach Payton also received an email from Ornstein committing $5,000 towards a bounty on an opposing quarterback, which the coach recognized as a pledge toward a bounty," the summary stated.

Ornstein, a marketing agent for former Saints running back Reggie Bush and a confidant of Payton's who pleaded guilty last year to illegally selling Super Bowl tickets, pledged $10,000 toward the quarterback bounty in 2009, according to the summary. On at least two occasions in 2011, Ornstein "pledged substantial sums toward a bounty on an opposing quarterback."

Gregg Williams is the central figure of the investigation, though, since the "bounty" program was alleged to have been overseen by him, which he acknowledged shortly after the league's finding surfaced Friday. According to the report, Williams, along with linebackers coach Joe Vitt, initially denied a "bounty" program in the 2010 investigation, as did former defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove.

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