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Havok wrote:Probably because while the Bengals defense has been really good at times, they have been inconsistent over the last couple of years. That and Bengals fans are dumb.

It's great for the young offense that Gruden is staying. He may end up replacing Marvin Lewis when he gets fired.
The defense is inconsistent because the defense has had key injuries every single season Zimmer has been there. This year the secondary fell apart because Joseph was lost, Hall took a season-ending injury, and Pacman was hamstrung. The Bengals aren't even really trying to address the Safety position. Their medical crew was fired in the offseason because they were terrible, but then they hired a new team which diagnosed Dunlap's hamstring injury as a cramp in the one video I posted a while back, with horrible results.

There was a lapse in the Bengals' defensive performance in 2010, to which Zimmer claimed he overcomplicated his system. The players struggled with it until he switched back to keep it simple stupid, but even then, the CBs were all injured last year too.

Marvin Lewis doesn't appear to be a particularly good coach during games, but he has potential as a manager. He held out a bit during the last offseason and, as far as we can tell, made some demands which M. Brown actually listened to, like promising to actually try to give the team a halfway decent conditioning facility. He is probably why Bratkowsky was fired, allowing the team to pick up Gruden. There is a lot of back and forth over him - he is seen as someone who should be our GM (like Brown would ever hire one) and not our coach. Anyway, his job is probably safe for the foreseeable future, even if you're implying a bad season for the team next year. The 2012 schedule for the Bengals seems reasonably easy.
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HeadCreeps wrote:Because I find each of those teams uninteresting? Oh wow, QBs you know are great (also, Flacco) competing in the biggest games of the year. Let me contain my excitement.
So you'd rather watch 2 defenses force a bunch of three and outs and give up just field goals in a 12-9 snoozer?

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A good defensive showing is interesting. Eli Manning is not a bad QB, and I'd like to see him win 1 more ring to get a little more out of his brother's shadow.

And bullshit. Fans are more interested in laughing at Tebow at this point than they are in watching Brees, Brady or Rodgers. This is why Denver keeps getting prime time.
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I too would rather watch a game where the yardage has to be earned rather than two teams playing tennis.
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I grew up on Air Coryell, when most teams were "3 yards and a cloud of dust", but the new rules and more importantly, the way they're enforced have turned the NFL into glorified 7-on-7 drills. It used to be that a low-scoring game could be entertaining to watch if the low score was the result of great defense. That simply doesn't happen anymore. If a team scores fewer than 20 points nowadays it's because they flat-out suck on offense.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:
HeadCreeps wrote:BAL/NE
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would be the most boring piece of crap scenario ever, and it's kind of likely.

I'm pulling for the opposite of that, obviously. Hoping for DEN vs NYG in the Super Bowl.

Bengals OC Gruden says he's staying; Zimmer is possibly going to the Phins or Bucs. A surprising number of bitchy, whiny Bengals fans are for whatever reason cheering for Zimmer to go. Idiots.

Denver and New York would be boring as shit... not unlike that BCS Championship the other night. Contrary to what Tim Tebow believes, an 8-8 team in the Superbowl would make the baby jesus cry. And how would those matchups be boring? New England, Green Bay and to a lesser degree New Orleans have the worst pass defenses in the league. Put the three best quarterbacks in the league into the mix and you could possibly have two teams in the Superbowl ripping the bejesus out of each other. The over under on a Packers-Pats matchup is likely to be in the 70's! lol
If I wanted to watch all offense, or all defense I would watch BCS games.

Those games wouldn't be great QB performances, they would be shitty defenses that haven't stopped anyone all year. It just becomes a game of who has the ball last.

That to me is boring.
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And also, Tebow didn't play the first 5 games when they went 1-4. You gotta figure he wins 3 outta 5 given the opponents, or even 2 that makes them 9-7 or 10-6.
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GuppyShark wrote:I too would rather watch a game where the yardage has to be earned rather than two teams playing tennis.
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Also, who else still hates the new kickoffs?
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GuppyShark wrote:I too would rather watch a game where the yardage has to be earned rather than two teams playing tennis.
I once thought like you did, then I watched the Steelers beat the Browns 3-0 in the muddiest prime time football game I had ever seen.

Now I like watching teams earn yardage, preferably in large quantities with a modern passing attack. The Saints and Packers are incredibly fun to watch, that they play defense is icing on a football shaped cake.
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Let me be clear that I usually despise Rick Reilly, but this column he wrote about David Akers is not only a good football story, but it's proof for the Tebowtards out there that you can be really into Jesus, play football, and not vomit it up in people's faces on a regular basis.

Oh, and it's also proof that kickers do deserve some special recognition when they perform above and beyond. (Looking at you Master of Ossus ;-))

David Akers' Amazing Year
This is the show-stoppingest year for QBs in NFL history, which is how San Francisco 49ers kicker David Akers' story ended up in 4-point font.

Too bad. It would look nice on Paramount Pictures' summer schedule.

Yes, Akers, 37, had the finest kicking season in NFL history this year, but that's just the riding-off-into-the-sunset part.

The crying-in-the-shower part was exactly a year ago last week -- wild-card weekend -- when his Philadelphia Eagles were about to host the Green Bay Packers. The day before the game, doctors found a tumor on the ovary of Akers' 6-year-old daughter, Halley.

They were still trying to figure out what to do with it Sunday morning when a distraught Akers had to drive to the game to kick inflated pigskins through bars of steel.

Just to add a pint or two of sweat to the gallons Akers was already spilling, there was this: The year before, Akers found out he'd been swindled out of most of his life savings in a Ponzi scheme by Texas investor Kurt Barton, who ended up getting 17 years in prison for it. Akers had to testify against him.

His $3.7 million was gone, though, which meant this playoff game was crucial to the Akers family's future.

No wonder his brain was a bowl of Jell-O that day.

Akers immediately went out and blew a 41-yard field goal attempt in the first quarter. That was rare. He'd missed only four tries all season. Then he missed a bunny 34-yarder in the fourth. He can usually make those wearing fuzzy slippers. The Eagles lost 21-16.

The fans booed him. Talk radio slaughtered him. And even Eagles coach Andy Reid singled him out, saying, "We can all count. Those points would've helped."

And so all those demons laid down in bed with Akers on that sleepless Sunday night, knowing Halley would go in for surgery in a morning that would reveal the heaviest -- or lightest -- kind of news.

"He was just so down and worried that night," remembers Akers' agent, Jerrold Colton. "He was so, so emotional. But he knew he had to present a strong front for his daughter and his family."

"My life was kind of a car wreck right then," Akers says.

The next morning, at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, he asked the surgeon to go out in the hall and pray with him. Akers, devout, had preached for years. They knelt.

The tumor turned out malignant but small enough that the doctors felt like they removed all of it. Trouble was, it would be months before they'd know.

The NFL, though, decides things much faster. The Eagles went out and drafted Nebraska kicker Alex Henery in the fourth round. Akers didn't even know it until a friend texted him.

So there it was, the trifecta -- nearly broke, a sick kid at home and silently dumped by the team he'd given 12 terrific years.

Akers is a guy who's insecure about his footing in the NFL anyway. He'd been a waiter at a Longhorn Steakhouse in Atlanta, a substitute teacher and a kicker for NFL Europe in Berlin, where he nearly died during a one-month hospital stay for salmonella.

The man who saved him from that life was then-Philadelphia special teams coach John Harbaugh, who called him up for a tryout in 1998. Akers stuck. And he's been terribly fond of Harbaughs ever since.

No wonder that when John's brother Jim called in that dark, darker, darkest offseason, offering a 49ers contract, Akers couldn't pack fast enough. He may have been leaving the Eagles' ballyhooed Dream Team for the 49ers' Creamed Team, (6-10 the year before), but he didn't care.

"God made it abundantly clear where I was supposed to be," Akers says. "I love the Harbaugh family." Dad Jack Harbaugh recruited him 20 years ago at Western Kentucky.

"Out on the field they might be just killing you, calling you names, yelling at you," Akers says. "But then you go into lunch and they become completely different people. 'How's the family, David?' And you want to go, 'Wait a minute! You just torched me out there!' But that's how it is. Their teams are families."

That's almost literally true. Jim has turned the 49ers into a sort of odd family reunion. Kids and families are welcome at Saturday practices. They serve a special meal for the kids. Players wear jeans and sweats on the plane and the team's signature gas station-attendant blue work shirts during the week, an idea Jim stole from John, the coach of the Baltimore Ravens.

"They're always doing that with each other," Akers said. "I've heard Jim say to John, 'That's my story! You stole my story!' And then John will go, 'That was NOT your story! I stole it from Dad!'"

Akers signed a three-year, $9 million deal with San Francisco, which was a relief, though not as big of a relief as the doctor telling them in the summer that Halley was 100 percent cancer free.

From there, life just started showing up on the end of Akers' fork. The 49ers' offense ignited, giving Akers a hotfoot. He set NFL records for FGs in a season (44) and points (166). He was the Associated Press' first-team All-Pro kicker. He threw his first TD pass. The 49ers went 13-3. The Eagles: 8-8.

And when Akers' new team played Akers' old team? Philly's rookie kicker missed field goals of 39 and 33 yards and the 49ers won 24-23, with Akers kicking the winning PAT.

You think Andy Reid counted on that?
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GuppyShark wrote:Also, who else still hates the new kickoffs?
Can we just save about six minutes of broadcast time and give everyone the ball on the 20yd line?
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GuppyShark wrote:Also, who else still hates the new kickoffs?
Everyone except the team with Shayne Graham in it.
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What's special about him? Every kick-off team now is just a guy who can boom it out of the end zone and ten guys running downfield to warm up.
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You can't get rid of the kickoff (which would get ride of on side kicks) but you can but a better fucking time limit on reviews and stop automatically reviewing every play . Getting rid of the two minute warning and forcing teams to be more conservative with timeouts would be fine by me. You could also consider a rule that says spiking the ball to stop the clock is grounding or a fumble if it doesn't get past scrimmage. Make the fucks get out of bounds.
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GuppyShark wrote:What's special about him? Every kick-off team now is just a guy who can boom it out of the end zone and ten guys running downfield to warm up.
Graham had trouble kicking the ball into the end zone on kickoffs before the rule change, among other things.
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I'd settle for getting rid of the timeout after kickoffs.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:You can't get rid of the kickoff (which would get ride of on side kicks) but you can but a better fucking time limit on reviews and stop automatically reviewing every play . Getting rid of the two minute warning and forcing teams to be more conservative with timeouts would be fine by me. You could also consider a rule that says spiking the ball to stop the clock is grounding or a fumble if it doesn't get past scrimmage. Make the fucks get out of bounds.
I thought they used to make them throw it out of bounds or incomplete to stop the clock. Spiking it into the ground was a stupid way for them to still kill the clock but not make people have to run after the ball, or something equally stupid.

I don't like the ball spike to stop time either. It's a stupid rule just to allow them to keep stopping the clock without making an attempt at appearing to run a real play. It should be considered grounding. The QB isn't outside the tackle box when he does it. It's either that or he's throwing it at an ineligible receiver, since it's almost always heading towards the ass of one of his linemen. :)
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My half sister sent me that. She's a Christian fundy who lives near Denver. I still find this amusing.
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My half sister sent me that. She's a Christian fundy who lives near Denver. I still find this amusing.
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Helmet to helmet maybe? Come the fuck on.
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Just came back from a long trip....
Havok wrote:After today's performance, is Mike Smith in danger of losing his job? 2 points? TWO FUCKING POINTS?! For THAT team? With those weapons?!

How did that trade for Julio Jones work out for you?

This says it all

weemadando wrote:Texans will beat Ravens. There, I said it. It's a decent team, but it's not a good enough team that we'll be able to get our shit together. The only hope is that our defence turns up in force. Plus there's alway the Cam Cameron effect to consider. We will lose this game in the most horrible, dumb, painful and humiliating way, putting together a highlight reel of offensive turnovers, insane play calling and defensive brainfarts that would put most Pop Warner leagues to shame.
I agree that the Texans have a great chance of beating the Raven. Still, I think we'll win this. Lewis and Reed may just retire after this season so they will whip the rest in line.

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Col. Crackpot wrote:Denver is dead last in Passing offense, relying on their (admittedly awesome) running game. They fail to exploit the Pat's 'worse than everybody but Green Bay's pass defense.
Uh... you did just watch the game correct?
Tebow just threw for 300 yards on the BEST pass defense in the league this season. They only gave up an average of 171 yards in the air a game.

Now, I'm not saying Tebow has finally become a great passer, but if they can light up Pittsburgh's strength, they will certainly not forget to do it against New England's glaring weakness.

John Elway telling Tebow to pull the trigger wasn't just a message to him, it was a message to the receivers and offensive coordinator.
I have to say Tebow was impressive. Dick Lebeau practically gave him the game though considering how bad his defence was aligned. No safety help whatsoever? And no adjustments at all? That allowed Tebow to get too many yards. I doubt Bellichick will be so stupid.

I hope that Denver wins though.
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I have to say the BCS championship game was great, my favorite kind of football.


And the niners beat up on the saints - great to watch. Dome team effect once more?
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These refs seem not to know what helmet-to-helmet is.

And man, what a crazy close to the 1st. SF is playing super hard.
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Christ, another punt? Damnit, we really need to take advantage of all our turnovers, not just two.
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