Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Talk about a weekend of complete fucking upsets. Serra over St Pierre, Koscheck over Sanchez... And all the fucking rest. I nearly got in the top 100 for tipping for Pride and was in the top 300 for the UFN, but the fucking UFC PPV killed me.
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It was an MMA explosion this weekend. Three events on TV plus I went to the IFL show in Moline, Illinois on Saturday. I spotted quite of few guys there: Bas Rutten, Ken Shamrock, Pat Miletich, Guy Mezger, and Maurice Smith. Plus the fights were great.
I also got pwn't by the UFC PPV. Diego/Kos was a bore, but Diego got whipped none the less.weemadando wrote:By the way - Join MMA Playground the rest of you! We need more fighters in our stable so we can progress in the rankings and gain collective glory!
Watching Anderson Silva progress is fucking scary, every fight he brings something new and beats the crap out of his opponents. He submits a BJJ blackbelt, pounds out the ground & pound expert, and schools Rich Franklin again. The best part in the 2nd Franklin fight was near the end of the 1st round where Anderson dropped his hands and dodged everything that Franklin tried to him with, then he nails Franklin with a spinning backfist, a flying knee and followed with a flurry of knees & punches to drop him on his ass. With another 5 seconds in the round it would've been all over right there.
It was amazing watching how fast & fluid Anderson Silva is, the punches, kicks, and knees came in fast & hard from all sorts of crazy angles, and with the speed Anderson has there's no way to defend against them. Once Silva starts unloading the combos, the other guy is pretty much fucked.
It was amazing watching how fast & fluid Anderson Silva is, the punches, kicks, and knees came in fast & hard from all sorts of crazy angles, and with the speed Anderson has there's no way to defend against them. Once Silva starts unloading the combos, the other guy is pretty much fucked.
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Hendo would have good chance if he gets the takedown and then smothers Anderson Silva for 5 rounds, or if he connects with one of his power punches. The problem is keeping him down isn't exactly easy as Rich found out, and even if you succeed in keeping Silva down you risk getting submitted like Lutter. I haven't seen Filho's fights yet so I don't know about him, but Okami would get demolished, Silva would kill him in the standup.
The fight yesterday was nuts, how often do you see someone connect with a spinning back kick, a spinning backfist, and a flying knee all in the same round?
The fight yesterday was nuts, how often do you see someone connect with a spinning back kick, a spinning backfist, and a flying knee all in the same round?
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In the battle for supremecy in the middleweight division, Anderson Silva shows why he's king with a submission win over Dan Henderson. Hendo got his gameplan working in the first round, they both landed clean hits on each other but Hendo got the clinch and takedown, then got spent the round kneeing, elbowing, and wearing down Silva on the ground. Silva came out without much damage though and he turned it up in the 2nd round, he wobbled Hendo with a vicious knee and followed up with a short flurry putting him on the ground, then he just pounded on Hendo, worked the body triangle and submitted him with a rear naked choke late in the round. Hendo tried to hold out but he couldn't quite make it and was forced to tap with seconds left in the round.
I don't think anyone in the middleweight division can take him now, Anderson Silva's going to hold on to his title for as long as he damn well pleases. Not even Hendo could make it out of the 2nd round, I just don't see any way anyone's going to beat him short of a lucky punch. Silva's just on a whole other level, there's him, and then there's everyone else.
I don't think anyone in the middleweight division can take him now, Anderson Silva's going to hold on to his title for as long as he damn well pleases. Not even Hendo could make it out of the 2nd round, I just don't see any way anyone's going to beat him short of a lucky punch. Silva's just on a whole other level, there's him, and then there's everyone else.
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Next in line is probably Okami after his win tonight, but Silva will handle him. Silva was dancing circles around him in their first encounter. As for other middleweight possibilities, I'm hopeful that Ricardo Almeida will do well and wins his way to a title shot.
What do you guys think about Silva making a run for the 205lb title? He's cleaned out the MW division, so the only place he is likely to find a challenge is in a higher weight class, in my opinion.
What do you guys think about Silva making a run for the 205lb title? He's cleaned out the MW division, so the only place he is likely to find a challenge is in a higher weight class, in my opinion.
It's do-able. Sure, he's not nearly as big as the average UFC LH fighter, but Silva is just insane. I remember watching his first UFC fight against Leben (actually, quite a few times in slow-motion) and his ability to land pin-point punches while back-pedaling is an awesome thing to watch. I think he'd be a serious contender in the LH division, but I don't think he's going to steam-roll it like he did the Middleweights.Zadius wrote:What do you guys think about Silva making a run for the 205lb title? He's cleaned out the MW division, so the only place he is likely to find a challenge is in a higher weight class, in my opinion.
Lutter showed (even with his less-than-spectacular performance) that Silva is definitely vulnerable off his back and the Light Heavy division has a number of serious wrestlers. There's also a number of them that can take serious punches without losing their cool.
I had thought about how a fight with Silva and Machida could have potential, but in all likely-hood: it would end up pretty boring. But watching two guys with such precise striking could go somewhere.
In reality: Silva pretty much has to jump a weight class at this point. He's absolutely destroyed the Middleweight division (which was never very exciting anyways) and who the Hell would even want to fight him? I don't think Silva's the kind of guy to just coast through his career on fights that don't really push his abilities.
They could always start him off against say... Keith Jardine. Jardine thinks he's hot shit, let's see how he does against Silva.
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I decided to put my reservations aside and watch this one, unbiased. I maintain that some of the matches where a little huggy, but on the whole I enjoyed it. Best of all it was on Bravo2 for free. Loved seeing Batista get booed by the crowd. Definately going to tune in to the next one.
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A few notes on it.
Silva (as previously noted) will have that belt until such a time as he gives it up just so he can recapture it. Or until a previously unseen talent comes along.
Brock Lesnar getting a match against Mark "The Creampuff" Coleman? What, Frank Mir after 2 years off wasn't easy enough for him? And ANOTHER five months until that match? Fucking sissy.
I thought Wilson had Fitch, but as happened in too many of the matches, once it went to side control he did nothing (also see Kongo) thus costing him the match (again, see Kongo).
And fucking Leben wins again. I think the stoppage was a unfortunate, but not bad. Sakara looked to be bringing his hands up to block, but too little, too late to prevent the stoppage.
Silva (as previously noted) will have that belt until such a time as he gives it up just so he can recapture it. Or until a previously unseen talent comes along.
Brock Lesnar getting a match against Mark "The Creampuff" Coleman? What, Frank Mir after 2 years off wasn't easy enough for him? And ANOTHER five months until that match? Fucking sissy.
I thought Wilson had Fitch, but as happened in too many of the matches, once it went to side control he did nothing (also see Kongo) thus costing him the match (again, see Kongo).
And fucking Leben wins again. I think the stoppage was a unfortunate, but not bad. Sakara looked to be bringing his hands up to block, but too little, too late to prevent the stoppage.
Really though: who could they put Lesner up against in the Heavyweight division who wouldn't smash him?weemadando wrote:Brock Lesnar getting a match against Mark "The Creampuff" Coleman? What, Frank Mir after 2 years off wasn't easy enough for him? And ANOTHER five months until that match? Fucking sissy.
His stand-up is weak, no Ju-jitsu to speak of, and whereas he did show some solid wrestling, even his ground and pound needs work. Sure he can drop some hammer-fists, so what?
I'm looking down the list of fighters in the division and I can't really find a fighter that he'd match-up well with. My buddy Paul seems to thing he'd roll through guys like Eddie Sanchez or Jake O'Brian, but I seriously doubt it. Sanchez might be pissing blood the rest of his life after his fight against Cro Cop, but he's come back with a couple of wins.
Lesner just needs a lot more fight experience and in the (fairly) stacked UFC Heavyweight division, most of that experience is going to come with losses. He's in too deep now though. Him trying to step down and fight for smaller organizations would probably hurt him more than getting his ass beat in the octagon.
Sakara's like Elvis Sinosic, he's the guy the UFC brings in when someone needs a guaranteed win.weemadando wrote:And fucking Leben wins again. I think the stoppage was a unfortunate, but not bad. Sakara looked to be bringing his hands up to block, but too little, too late to prevent the stoppage.
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Rich Franklin has learned a couple things from his beatings at the hands of Anderson Silva, he put the knees to Travis Lutter and punched him senseless in the 2nd round after Lutter gassed hard. Franklin looked shaky in the 1st round though, he got mounted by Lutter and almost got caught in an armbar, but he pulled off a nice escape and from then on it was all Rich.
GSP played it safe by keeping most of the fight on the ground, he pounded away on Serra and finished him with vicious knees to the ribs & kidneys. Unfortunately the UFC doesn't use Pride rules, GSP had lots of chances to knee and soccer kick Serra in the head when he had him pinned down, but that's illegal in the UFC.
GSP played it safe by keeping most of the fight on the ground, he pounded away on Serra and finished him with vicious knees to the ribs & kidneys. Unfortunately the UFC doesn't use Pride rules, GSP had lots of chances to knee and soccer kick Serra in the head when he had him pinned down, but that's illegal in the UFC.
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GSP has become a ground-and-pound master. His wrestling and top control have always been superb and he executes this fight strategy better than Hughes ever did.
GSP is a good striker, but his ground game has always been his best aspect. I was actually hoping he would decide to take Serra down, because despite Serra's jiu-jitsu credentials, he's never been known to submit people from the bottom.
GSP is a good striker, but his ground game has always been his best aspect. I was actually hoping he would decide to take Serra down, because despite Serra's jiu-jitsu credentials, he's never been known to submit people from the bottom.
Hughes has pretty good ground & pound, but he could never set the pace that GSP does. GSP sets a really hard pace that opponents can't keep up with, and after 1 or 2 rounds the other guy is gassed or well on the way to exhaustion. Normal people just can't fight at his pace.
If GSP keeps fighting this way and keeps improving, he's going to have the entire welterweight division cleaned out. I would love to see him keep his title, and then step up and fight Anderson Silva at 180 pounds or so. I'd still put my money on Silva, but that should be one hell of a good fight.
If GSP keeps fighting this way and keeps improving, he's going to have the entire welterweight division cleaned out. I would love to see him keep his title, and then step up and fight Anderson Silva at 180 pounds or so. I'd still put my money on Silva, but that should be one hell of a good fight.
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Good news everyone!
Chris Leben behind bars! Only a DUI but it's a parole violation, so hopefully we'll finally see the back of him.
Chris Leben behind bars! Only a DUI but it's a parole violation, so hopefully we'll finally see the back of him.
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And I'm really disappointed that Sherk paid his fine. I was hoping to see him get arrested by the cops who escort people to the ring for the unserved warrant in California.
That said, it's disappointing enough that he's getting a title shot straight away despite having been "forced" out of competition and stripped of it for juicing. Yeah UFC, way to go with that credibility.
That said, it's disappointing enough that he's getting a title shot straight away despite having been "forced" out of competition and stripped of it for juicing. Yeah UFC, way to go with that credibility.
Chris Leben gets 35 days in jail Ha-ha! Stupid fucker.
I still want to see him get his ass kicked though.
I still want to see him get his ass kicked though.
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So, in shocking fucking news. Sherk passed a doping test. One that he had 18 days notice for.
Gee, do you think he'll actually stop roiding, or do you think that the simply pathetic 18 days notice just gives him that window that you need to clease and mask?
Fucking bullshit. He deserves to be culled from the roster, he's a boring fucking "lay-and-pray" fighter who certainly doesn't deserve the instant title shot in a division with so many others who have been waiting in the wings for a shot.
Gee, do you think he'll actually stop roiding, or do you think that the simply pathetic 18 days notice just gives him that window that you need to clease and mask?
Fucking bullshit. He deserves to be culled from the roster, he's a boring fucking "lay-and-pray" fighter who certainly doesn't deserve the instant title shot in a division with so many others who have been waiting in the wings for a shot.
Damn, that was one good UFC card, The Axe Murderer gave Jardine a brutal beatdown, Machida makes Tito Ortiz look like a complete amateur, and Sherk gets laid out by a flying knee.
It was great to see Wandy get back on the winning track and show off some of the vicious aggressiveness that gave him his nickname. After he knocked Jardine down with a few hard punches, he held him down by the throat and fucking wailed on his head with brutal punches. Jardine was out cold for several minutes.
Penn vs. Sherk was pretty much a straight boxing match, Sherk went for one takedown which was easily stuffed by BJ, and they went back to punching each other. BJ worked his jab and did a number on Sherk's face, then near the end of the 3rd round he put together a punch combo that knocked Sherk into the fence. Sherk did a bounce off the fence and ate a flying knee in the face which crumpled him to the ground, after which BJ unloaded on him with punches and hammerfists. For a while I thought he got saved by the bell, but after a conference which we didn't really see on camera, the ref called the match a TKO and BJ got his win.
And best of all, Lyoto Machida made Tito look like a complete dope. Tito just couldn't hit him and couldn't take him down, every time Tito tried to get a takedown Machida would shrug him off and push him away like it was nothing, he even made Tito miss completely one time and come up staring at nothing but fence. The best part was where he nailed Tito with a liver shot dropped him on his ass, then Tito managed to recover a bit and went for a triangle & armbar, but that didn't work and the round ended. It was a decision, but Tito got schooled for the entire fight. It was great.
Great card, great fight, too bad UFC 85 is going to be a complete letdown after this.
It was great to see Wandy get back on the winning track and show off some of the vicious aggressiveness that gave him his nickname. After he knocked Jardine down with a few hard punches, he held him down by the throat and fucking wailed on his head with brutal punches. Jardine was out cold for several minutes.
Penn vs. Sherk was pretty much a straight boxing match, Sherk went for one takedown which was easily stuffed by BJ, and they went back to punching each other. BJ worked his jab and did a number on Sherk's face, then near the end of the 3rd round he put together a punch combo that knocked Sherk into the fence. Sherk did a bounce off the fence and ate a flying knee in the face which crumpled him to the ground, after which BJ unloaded on him with punches and hammerfists. For a while I thought he got saved by the bell, but after a conference which we didn't really see on camera, the ref called the match a TKO and BJ got his win.
And best of all, Lyoto Machida made Tito look like a complete dope. Tito just couldn't hit him and couldn't take him down, every time Tito tried to get a takedown Machida would shrug him off and push him away like it was nothing, he even made Tito miss completely one time and come up staring at nothing but fence. The best part was where he nailed Tito with a liver shot dropped him on his ass, then Tito managed to recover a bit and went for a triangle & armbar, but that didn't work and the round ended. It was a decision, but Tito got schooled for the entire fight. It was great.
Great card, great fight, too bad UFC 85 is going to be a complete letdown after this.
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Yeah, that card was fucking awesome.
On the one hand I'm happy to see Wanderlei back in form, but on the other hand I'm a Jardine fan, so was unhappy that he hit stride against him.
Machida continues to show that he is some kind of machine. He can't get a title shot soon enough.
Sherk being fucked up was fine by me. I'm so VERY unhappy that he got a title shot straight away after coming back from a drug ban. He should have been dumped right to the bottom all over again.
The undercard was awesome too.
Sadly, as mentioned - UFC85 is made of shit. Matt Hughes? Who the fuck wants to see MAtt Hughes anymore?
That said, Dream has been putting on some good stuff, and Elite XC and the IFL have been going well too. I'm keen to see the fights this weekend in the WEC and Elite XC.
On the one hand I'm happy to see Wanderlei back in form, but on the other hand I'm a Jardine fan, so was unhappy that he hit stride against him.
Machida continues to show that he is some kind of machine. He can't get a title shot soon enough.
Sherk being fucked up was fine by me. I'm so VERY unhappy that he got a title shot straight away after coming back from a drug ban. He should have been dumped right to the bottom all over again.
The undercard was awesome too.
Sadly, as mentioned - UFC85 is made of shit. Matt Hughes? Who the fuck wants to see MAtt Hughes anymore?
That said, Dream has been putting on some good stuff, and Elite XC and the IFL have been going well too. I'm keen to see the fights this weekend in the WEC and Elite XC.
Jardine made two big mistakes. He shaved off his beard and he smiled at Wanderlei during the staredown. Silva also shaved his head so that's another thing going against Jardine, there was no way he was going to win with all that stacked against him. You don't fuck with shaved head Silva, that's just asking to get killed.
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