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The problem with images and posts like that is that it carries the potentially disturbing undercurrent/implication that "other" people have to ruthlessly and cruelly manipulate their children in order to stand up to "our" athletes, who would, of course, never undergo such routines. It doesn't matter whether "we" are American and "they" are Chinese or not, the implication is the same: there is one side who physically cannot compare to the other without manipulation beyond the realms of decency which the other side, of course, always abides by.

Masami von Weizegger wrote:The problem with images and posts like that is that it carries the potentially disturbing undercurrent/implication that "other" people have to ruthlessly and cruelly manipulate their children in order to stand up to "our" athletes, who would, of course, never undergo such routines. It doesn't matter whether "we" are American and "they" are Chinese or not, the implication is the same: there is one side who physically cannot compare to the other without manipulation beyond the realms of decency which the other side, of course, always abides by.

Indeed. Of course, by being accepted into a training program in China, the gymnast guarantees herself a good education, a state pension, decent housing for herself and her family, etc. Gymnasts in the West undergo the same training, but at their family's expense.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Masami von Weizegger wrote:

American news outlets reconfiguring the medal tables in Beijing to rank countries in total number of medals instead of most gold (then silver, then bronze) as is the tradition so that the US would be ranked first was pretty funny though. While it's hardly just the Americans who are making these sorts of accusations, the ascension of China and its place in the American national culture as some sort of Neo Soviet Union Part Two: Electric Bugaloo seems to be helping to poison coverage of their athletes at these games (and in 2008 to a great extent).

NBC has just done it again. Still as hilarious four years ago!

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

fgalkin wrote:NBC has just done it again. Still as hilarious four years ago!

They're having problems though. Any bets on how long it'll be before they decide that a bronze medal is the greatest accolade of the Olympic Games?

Behold, the games according to NBC!

Not that I'm complaining for them making Russia rank 3rd instead of 10th.

EDIT: At this moment, the system has come back to bite them in the ass since the US is currently ranked first in gold (21 vs 20) but second overall (41 vs 42). NBC ranks them second.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

fgalkin wrote:Behold, the games according to NBC!

Not that I'm complaining for them making Russia rank 3rd instead of 10th.

EDIT: At this moment, the system has come back to bite them in the ass since the US is currently ranked first in gold (21 vs 20) but second overall (41 vs 42). NBC ranks them second.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

You'd think by now there would be an internationally accepted weighted average to determine the overall champion. 3 points for gold 2 for silver 1 for bronze... or something.

The IOC doesn't rank nations, because of the whole "foster cooperation, not competition between nations" thing of the Olympics. It's the people who are competing, not countries.

Obviously, that hasn't been true for a long time, but there is still no official ranking of any kind. However, the IOC does publish medal tables for nations "for informational purposes only," which sorts countries by gold medals won. But it's officially not a ranking, it's a sorting.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

I'm calling it; this is the best Olympics to watch, the BBC iPlayer makes this fucking awesome!

fgalkin wrote:The IOC doesn't rank nations, because of the whole "foster cooperation, not competition between nations" thing of the Olympics. It's the people who are competing, not countries.

Obviously, that hasn't been true for a long time, but there is still no official ranking of any kind. However, the IOC does publish medal tables for nations "for informational purposes only," which sorts countries by gold medals won. But it's officially not a ranking, it's a sorting.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

The IOC can blabber on about ranbows lollipops and moonbeams all they want, I've always viewed the Olympics as a harmless and fun way to be nationalistic and cheer on my countrymen/women as they defeat a rival nation without anyone having to get hurt and or blown up. If we lose, we'l get 'em next year.

So does everyone else, of course, but you asked why there is no official average to determine rankings, and that is the answer.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Just curious - if we counted Europe as one group, how would Europe rank as a whole compared to everyone else? (Presume "Europe" to include everything from the Atlantic to Russia)

Broomstick wrote:Just curious - if we counted Europe as one group, how would Europe rank as a whole compared to everyone else? (Presume "Europe" to include everything from the Atlantic to Russia)

All of Europe? Let's see, as of today, we have: 40 Gold, 55 Silver, 58 Bronze. 153 Total.

On another note, if the Soviet Union was around today, they would have had 12 Gold, 13 Silver, 17 Bronze and 42 Total.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Col. Crackpot wrote:
The IOC can blabber on about ranbows lollipops and moonbeams all they want, I've always viewed the Olympics as a harmless and fun way to be nationalistic and cheer on my countrymen/women as they defeat a rival nation without anyone having to get hurt and or blown up. If we lose, we'l get 'em next year.

Thats a great attitude to have. Unfortunately I am not that keen in sports anymore compared to when I was younger, and like Tsyroc the bad sportsmanship is really turning me off (and I include my own country in that observation, although we seem better behaved these days, at least in regards to the sporting event itself). From what I know at least the Chinese appear gracious in victory and defeat.

Now back to your other point about an international method of recognising medal count. I suggest we award it by a point system, where gold > silver > bronze etc. My thoughts are gold gets 7 points, silver 3 points and bronze 1 point. This is heavily weighted towards gold of course. I am sure people will come up with a variation of the theme.

Oh, more on the NBC coverage of the Olympics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation ... GtP9eTgNn8

Crown wrote:I'm calling it; this is the best Olympics to watch, the BBC iPlayer makes this fucking awesome!

Agreed, i've been watching it while at work and I can pick and choose what I want to watch, or just watch the main channels. Been great coverage from the BBC so far.

Has there ever been a more dominant gold medal match than what Serena Williams just pulles off? I ctually feel bad for Maria Sharapova. Incredible.

fgalkin wrote:

Broomstick wrote:Just curious - if we counted Europe as one group, how would Europe rank as a whole compared to everyone else? (Presume "Europe" to include everything from the Atlantic to Russia)

All of Europe? Let's see, as of today, we have: 40 Gold, 55 Silver, 58 Bronze. 153 Total.

On another note, if the Soviet Union was around today, they would have had 12 Gold, 13 Silver, 17 Bronze and 42 Total.

Possibly a few more; didn't they push their athletes pretty hard? Might get a bit better performance out of that.

Col. Crackpot wrote:Has there ever been a more dominant gold medal match than what Serena Williams just pulles off? I ctually feel bad for Maria Sharapova. Incredible.

Look at Serena's record in London. She was doing that to EVERYONE she met in the Olympics. I am not kidding, all her wins were 6-0 to 6-3 two set curbstomps.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

GB Just claimed gold in the Heptathlon- would have been uproar had poster girl Jessica Ennis not won it!

Greg Rutherford got gold in the long jump- no-one would have expected that, and Mo Farah won the 10k!

All I can say is, our best athletics ever- that was fucking awesome!

Maybe I don't notice the bad sportsmanship as much because I'm just glad that NBC is not ESPN or the vast wasteland of sports talk radio, which both subscribe to "If you don't win it all you are a failure and a choker and a bad person and a laughingstock". American sports culture is so poisonous and nasty that even if the Olympics are covered in an American-centric way, it's nice to listen to anchors and analysts who aren't Ricky Bobby's father. Though I am pissed at how skimpy the field coverage is. I want to see the jumping and throwing more than in five minute segments.

Except that fucker from gymnastics, who is never, ever positive.

Oh no, there goes Malaysia's chance at Olympic gold (badminton singles). Would have been nice to hear the anthem at least once...oh well.

The US is expected to win the most medals since China no longer has the home ground advantage, especially when they can no longer field such a big team as they are no longer the host country. However it seems both the US and China have now equal number of gold medals, with China having more silver and more total medals (as I type). Under the traditional IOC system and the one NBC has adopted, China will be in the lead. I must say this close competition between China and the US for total medal count is making it interesting. Congratulations to both countries. Just wish people would be gracious in victory and defeat.

Don't think GB will be getting as many medals as in Beijing, but quite frankly, who cares? Its been a bloody entertaining event so far, and I'm not a sporty type.

WTF is going on with the Ozzies, though? Its been looking a bit shambolic really. We need you around to keep us level-headed!

And now the universe is about to implode. Andy Murry managed to beat Roger Federer in the singles to get gold. Bye bye universe!

The fact that the unexpected can happen is, frankly, the only thing that makes it regularly interesting to me.