[VOTED] Christian Usergroup

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-02 10:03pm

Kuroneko wrote: Additionally, I propose that an affirmative vote on this poll is insufficient--a follow-up a general poll should follow. After all, it would not do to create a private forum if it won't get much actual participation.

Once up then they can ask for members to sign up in OT or SLAM. I'm guessing there are already known Christian members on the board for Lady Tevar to contact and she can also formulate a Usergroup Requirement to go here.

Quite a few Private boards start by having hardly any members whilst the Forum Mod works out who to admit and why. Once that starts the ball rolling it gets filled out rapidly.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2006-01-02 10:07pm

Ok, lets reword this first paragraph.

(edit)The way I see it, some Christians want a semi-private forum so they can have their religious discussions without worry of being jumped by Me-too people who insult their religious beliefs. The comment that its not fair to the Atheists that Christians get a special forum doesn't appear to be a correct one on the face that Atheists IMO don't need a forum. As an Atheist, I don't feel that its unfair Christians get a usergroup when Atheists don't.(edit)

I see nothing wrong with a Christian forum because they are the predominate religious group on SB. A Jewish or Wiccan forum isn't necessary simply because there are never going to be enough people to make it useful.

Post by **Coyote** » 2006-01-02 10:12pm

I abstain, since I'd prefer to see a general Religion forum to prevent the branch-offs and arguments. I trust Lady Tevar to handle things correctly but making it "Christian" instead of "General Religion" is sort of setting it up to be a one-trick pony.

Edit: I'd actually like to participate in a General Religion forum, myself.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-02 10:14pm

OK, just to be clear. I see one flame in this thread I will come down o that person like a ton of bricks! Also my OP covered the whole 'The board is basically an atheist Forum' bit. So that argument is done.

If other religious groups want a Private Forum then they can ask for one and will have to show a compelling need for one as covered here. End of that Argument!

I trust I'm being clear here.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-01-02 10:25pm

I'm completely undecided at this point. I see the merits of both sides' arguments. Abstaining for now.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-02 10:49pm

Apparently people thought that I was talking to myself when I said those particular Arguments were done. I trust I've now cleared up that misconception.

New points only, no more rehashing of the points I've already mentioned.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2006-01-02 11:09pm

I think I'm going to vote "No" on this one. It's easier to just bring it up for another vote in the future if the SLAM environment jut becomes ridiculously hostile than it is to remove the forum if it kills a lot of discussion.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2006-01-03 01:13pm

I voted yes. My reasoning as follows; this would erase a negative image portrayed by this board that we are somehow anti-Christian and religion in general. We may pick apart certain aspects of religion, but if we were really against it, we'd be banning anyone for even discussing theology. I see this forum as being a good way of getting back at those other boards that may see us as bigoted.

This could pave the way for similar religions having their own forums. I do, however, stress that I am against rampant opening of new forums for niche interest groups. It would kill what we have of the publically viewable forums if taken to extremes.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-01-03 02:27pm

I think I would have to say that while both sides make interesting cases, it is well-documented that Christians often like to discuss aspects of their faith without worrying about having to subject their ideas to logical criticism, which is what would happen (and should happen) in a normal public forum. Given that particular circumstance, and the sheer size of the Christian population on the board, I think it is safe to argue that they warrant some special consideration in this regard. This precedent wouldn't open the floodgates for a slew of annoying requests for more special-interest forums because I don't see how most special-interests can claim those criteria.

Not that this post matters because the motion appears to have passed already.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2006-01-03 02:47pm

On that note, Mike, Lord Pounder enquired just now about the possibility of other faiths having their own private forums. I think if the demand exists, then the Christian forum should become multi-faith, as it were, to avoid excess private forums popping up. I'm sure those willing are mature enough to accept a private forum that is shared.

Not to detract from the question posed to the Senate right now, which remains the creation of a Christian forum.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2006-01-03 06:54pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:On that note, Mike, Lord Pounder enquired just now about the possibility of other faiths having their own private forums. I think if the demand exists, then the Christian forum should become multi-faith, as it were, to avoid excess private forums popping up. I'm sure those willing are mature enough to accept a private forum that is shared.

So you'd be okay with the Christian forum becoming an effective "No Atheists Allowed" club? Everyone else can contribute to an inter-faith dialogue except those pesky atheists and their logic? Seems like you're advocating the creation of a forum that is the exact opposite of SLAM and for that matter, the entire philosophy of this board.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-01-03 07:24pm

The vote was set for a Christian forum. I beleive it quite against the whole idea of this grand experiment of democracy to take that and blenderize it into something else. I stand firm that the new forum should be as voted on.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2006-01-03 07:35pm

SirNitram wrote:The vote was set for a Christian forum. I beleive it quite against the whole idea of this grand experiment of democracy to take that and blenderize it into something else. I stand firm that the new forum should be as voted on.

No one's saying it shouldn't be. But the thread hasn't been closed, so the debate rages on.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-01-03 07:39pm

Durandal wrote:
SirNitram wrote:The vote was set for a Christian forum. I beleive it quite against the whole idea of this grand experiment of democracy to take that and blenderize it into something else. I stand firm that the new forum should be as voted on.
No one's saying it shouldn't be. But the thread hasn't been closed, so the debate rages on.

Continued debate can be solved with napalm! No? Awww, no one likes my ideas.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-03 07:46pm

Gentlemen, there are still 15 votes uncast, which is enough to change the result, therefore the thread will stay unblemished with arguments not to the point.

The point is : should there be a Christian Forum.

The point is not : should there be a multi-faith forum. That argument does not belong in here. If you want to discuss it, make a new [Discussion] thread!

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-03 07:54pm

For anyone interested, there are 45 Senate members - 27 have voted, 2 have abstained, 1 cannot vote (me). So there are still 15 votes pending.

This poll goes on until 22 votes are cast on either of the options or 2 days are up. Whichever comes first.

Poll was started at 2100 on 2nd Jan 06 GMT so it has until 2100 on 4th Jan 06 GMT

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2006-01-03 08:02pm

Abstain.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2006-01-04 03:56pm

The Christian Usergroup poll is now closed.

Yes = 16
No = 12

Therefore the creation of the Usergroup has been approved.

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