[Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

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[Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Imperial Overlord » 2009-10-24 01:56pm

In the past we've banned several people for plagiarism and made it clear that the board believes it to be serious offense. It is implicitly, but not explicitly, covered by PR 3. I propose recommending to the Administration that PR 3 be amended to explicitly mention plagiarism as a rule violation.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Thanas » 2009-10-24 02:10pm

I am in favor of it.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by CmdrWilkens » 2009-10-24 11:38pm

I like the idea though I would recommend putting together the actual language of what such a prospective PR would look like.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by The Yosemite Bear » 2009-10-24 11:57pm

my brain doesn't work too well for writing up rules like that, but I am i support of a plagerism rule being specifically stated....
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by GrandMasterTerwynn » 2009-10-25 10:42am

I am in favor of it. Let's see if this meets with everyone's approval:
No Plagiarism: We take just as dim a view on intellectual dishonesty as we do on personal dishonesty. Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to claim another person's work as your own. If you are referencing materials in a debate, make sure you cite the materials in question. This is not debate-specific; this also applies to music, art, and any written work. Do not attempt to claim another person's work as your own. You will get caught, and we will deal with you harshly.

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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Thanas » 2009-10-25 11:01am

Maybe add something like:

"Do not try to steal anything written here either, for our members are quite adept at finding such copies and reporting you to legal authorities."
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by GrandMasterTerwynn » 2009-10-25 11:49am

Thanas wrote:Maybe add something like:

"Do not try to steal anything written here either, for our members are quite adept at finding such copies and reporting you to legal authorities."
Will this work?
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Thanas » 2009-10-25 11:51am

Yes, that is excellent.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Alyeska » 2009-10-25 12:05pm

Perhaps a less wordy version? Mike is already looking at simplifying the wording of the rules.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Kuja » 2009-10-25 06:00pm

No Plagiarism: We take just as dim a view on intellectual dishonesty as we do on personal dishonesty. Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to claim another person's work as your own. This is not debate-specific; this also applies any written work generated both outside and inside the board. We will deal with such violations harshly; up to and including reporting you to any relevant authorities.
Here's a simplified version.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Thanas » 2009-10-25 06:02pm

there should be a "to" inserted before "any written work".

And I think we should remove the written part. What about graphs and artwork and photos?
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by GrandMasterTerwynn » 2009-10-25 08:26pm

Alyeska wrote:Perhaps a less wordy version? Mike is already looking at simplifying the wording of the rules.
Here's a very short version.
No Plagiarism: We also take a very dim view on intellectual dishonesty. Do not, under any circumstances, claim another person's work as your own. This applies to reference materials, written work, music, photography, and art generated both outside and inside the board. If you plagiarize, you will get caught, and we will deal with you harshly.

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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Alyeska » 2009-10-25 08:38pm

Looking good. It gets the point across nicely and covers all possible intellectual property.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Publius » 2009-10-25 09:21pm

GrandMasterTerwynn's most recent version is admirably clear, concise and comprehensive.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Edi » 2009-10-26 07:16am

Publius wrote:GrandMasterTerwynn's most recent version is admirably clear, concise and comprehensive.
QFT. It is a very worthy addition to the board rules and covers all points succinctly.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Ted C » 2009-10-26 09:34am

Should some then make a motion that it be added to the rules?

I'll do that.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Thanas » 2009-10-26 09:36am

I'll second that motion.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Tiriol » 2009-10-26 10:39am

Even though the motion has already been seconded, I too support it fully. GrandMasterTerwynn's most recent version of the plagiarism rule update suggestion is entirely suitable for the board's purposes and conveys a clear message.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by Stuart » 2009-10-26 12:28pm

I also agree with the final wording of the rule and suggest that it be put to a vote in its present form. I would also urge that it be placed prominently in the rules of the community (ie near the top) since it is of fundamental importance.
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Re: [Discussion] Adding A Specific Warning Against Plagiarism

Post by CmdrWilkens » 2009-10-26 11:40pm

I am going to allow 24 hours for any remaining comments and post the vote tomorrow.
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